AvantGuardHoya
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"It was when I found out I could make mistakes that I knew I was on to something."
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Mar 16, 2015 16:54:09 GMT -5
Sigh. Seaweed, POD made an accusation regarding Amaker I took an exception with. You seem to have taken my objection to mean I am pumping up Amaker. I am NOT. He doesn't need my support, as he has done nothing wrong during his tenure as Crimson coach. Do you know of something?
Regarding the players, they left school and were able to return A YEAR LATER, believe or not just like Josh. And they graduated last June. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with who has the better program. NOTHING. That wasn't even remotely what this was about. If you are stuck on the cheating, then so be it. I never defended it.
God bless you, son.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 16, 2015 17:28:25 GMT -5
Sigh. Seaweed, POD made an accusation regarding Amaker I took an exception with. You seem to have taken my objection to mean I am pumping up Amaker. I am NOT. He doesn't need my support, as he has done nothing wrong during his tenure as Crimson coach. Do you know of something? Regarding the players, they left school and were able to return A YEAR LATER, believe or not just like Josh. And they graduated last June. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with who has the better program. NOTHING. That wasn't even remotely what this was about. If you are stuck on the cheating, then so be it. I never defended it. God bless you, son. I don't get what you're trying to argue here? Cheating is wrong, they were caught cheating, and they took a year off rather than be forced to take a year off like a normal non-student athlete. Amaker had a direct hand in helping them pursue that avenue.....or am I wrong?
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AvantGuardHoya
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"It was when I found out I could make mistakes that I knew I was on to something."
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Mar 16, 2015 17:54:31 GMT -5
Sigh. Seaweed, POD made an accusation regarding Amaker I took an exception with. You seem to have taken my objection to mean I am pumping up Amaker. I am NOT. He doesn't need my support, as he has done nothing wrong during his tenure as Crimson coach. Do you know of something? Regarding the players, they left school and were able to return A YEAR LATER, believe or not just like Josh. And they graduated last June. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with who has the better program. NOTHING. That wasn't even remotely what this was about. If you are stuck on the cheating, then so be it. I never defended it. God bless you, son. I don't get what you're trying to argue here? Cheating is wrong, they were caught cheating, and they took a year off rather than be forced to take a year off like a normal non-student athlete. Amaker had a direct hand in helping them pursue that avenue.....or am I wrong? Don't know for a fact whether Amaker suggested they take a year off or not, but I do know the players were not afforded anything more than other non-athletes who committed the same offense. Do you know anything different about how things are handled at fair Harvard? If so, please share.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 16, 2015 17:58:31 GMT -5
I don't get what you're trying to argue here? Cheating is wrong, they were caught cheating, and they took a year off rather than be forced to take a year off like a normal non-student athlete. Amaker had a direct hand in helping them pursue that avenue.....or am I wrong? Don't know for a fact whether Amaker suggested they take a year off or not, but I do know the players were not afforded anything more than other non-athletes who committed the same offense. Do you know anything different about how things are handled at fair Harvard? If so, please share. Yeah, in order to preserve graduation rates there is a tremendous amount of leniency given to intra-institutional infractions at Harvard and many other elite universities/colleges. But I'm really not gonna get into this discussion if it can't be seen objectively.
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kchoya
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Post by kchoya on Mar 16, 2015 18:18:31 GMT -5
Dan will be earning his moderator salary this week.
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AvantGuardHoya
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Mar 16, 2015 18:37:39 GMT -5
Don't know for a fact whether Amaker suggested they take a year off or not, but I do know the players were not afforded anything more than other non-athletes who committed the same offense. Do you know anything different about how things are handled at fair Harvard? If so, please share. Yeah, in order to preserve graduation rates there is a tremendous amount of leniency given to intra-institutional infractions at Harvard and many other elite universities/colleges. But I'm really not gonna get into this discussion if it can't be seen objectively. Sounds like you essentially confirmed my point. Thanks!
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 16, 2015 18:49:34 GMT -5
Yeah, in order to preserve graduation rates there is a tremendous amount of leniency given to intra-institutional infractions at Harvard and many other elite universities/colleges. But I'm really not gonna get into this discussion if it can't be seen objectively. Sounds like you essentially confirmed my point. Thanks! For the record, no, no I didnt. I have it on good authority that Amaker was directly involved but I don't really have to prove it to you and unless I send you recordings of his conversations it Doesn't seem you'll accept the popular notion (imo) that he skirted the rules. He's not the only one so nbd, just know that their team policy regarding academics seems like a joke compared to ours over the past few years.
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seaweed
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Post by seaweed on Mar 16, 2015 19:04:17 GMT -5
Trolling people who are utterly blind in their self-righteousness is no fun, son. I dont care tho, cause i've already heard the sons of Harvard tell how Crimson lines could hold 'em.
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hoyainspirit
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When life puts that voodoo on me, music is my gris-gris.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 16, 2015 19:29:37 GMT -5
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AvantGuardHoya
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Mar 16, 2015 19:40:20 GMT -5
Sounds like you essentially confirmed my point. Thanks! For the record, no, no I didnt. I have it on good authority that Amaker was directly involved but I don't really have to prove it to you and unless I send you recordings of his conversations it Doesn't seem you'll accept the popular notion (imo) that he skirted the rules. He's not the only one so nbd, just know that their team policy regarding academics seems like a joke compared to ours over the past few years. OMG. The point was, and is, the players were NOT afforded anything more than any other students. Kyle Casey and Brandyn Curry chose to leave school for a year like dozens of their fellow classmates who were involved in the scandal. Doing so allowed everyone to return Harvard a year later, if they were so inclined. By sitting out the basketball players preserved their last season of eligibility. Believe it or not -- and clearly there are those on this board who don't -- this was not some special ruling specifically for them. If you see Amaker as having crafted something here, that's certainly your perogative. I, obviously, don't see things that way. If that makes me suddenly a troll, then I don't know what to tell you. Fortunately there are LOTS of board posters who know better.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 16, 2015 19:56:36 GMT -5
Dan will be earning his moderator salary this week. Is there a point at which Dan's moderator desk could get warm?
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Hoyaholic
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Post by Hoyaholic on Mar 16, 2015 20:16:08 GMT -5
More precisely, well-known Anti-Hoya and Anti-Big East "journalist" (hee hee) John Feinstein wrote those comments. Predictable, right? The holes in his arguments are so big he could fit his head through them. So Duke got shafted because the two teams it is likely to face are drastically overseeded? Yeah, that makes sense. Also, it doesn't matter that ISU (yes), Gonzaga (not really) and SMU (HA!) are all "tough teams" for Duke to get through. By virtue of them all being on the other side of the bracket, they won't face more than one of them. (Spoiler Alert - it won't be SMU). Their bracket looks shockingly similar to the one they skated through in 2010. That year the only team that posed a real match-up problem (#8 Louisville) went out in the first round, and the rest is history - very, very regrettable history. Let's hope we at least get a shot at them.
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hoyainspirit
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When life puts that voodoo on me, music is my gris-gris.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 16, 2015 20:49:00 GMT -5
Sorry, Dog, but your comments are NOT supported by the facts. The Harvard players who with involved in the scandal voluntarily withdrew from the school precisely in order to return last year. Amaker had absolutely nothing to due with them being readmitted. Those kids chose to go a route that was available to ANY student-athlete who found themselves in similar circumstances. The cheating, btw, was on a take home final. Flash mob,anyone? They voluntarily withdrew because you can't spend more than 8 semesters at Harvard. It was basically what Jerian Grant did. Sorry, but this isn't true. There's no eight semester rule. But seriously AGH, voluntarily left school? Find me some documentation for that please, because all news reports related to the incident say the student "had to" withdraw or were forced to do so. If you think they left of their own accord, you may be more gullible than that Intro to Congress prof. Faust: Harvard cheating not just a sports problem
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 16, 2015 21:40:20 GMT -5
For athletes it is true. They've had multiple football players take off the spring semester so they can play in their fifth year fall semester.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 16, 2015 21:43:32 GMT -5
Dan will be earning his moderator salary this week. Is there a point at which Dan's moderator desk could get warm? Jeebus. Another anti-Dan poster that only comes out when there's a bunch of inane cat-fighting going on. Where are you when the board has a bunch of rational discussion and good analysis? Nowhere to be found.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 16, 2015 21:48:54 GMT -5
For athletes it is true. They've had multiple football players take off the spring semester so they can play in their fifth year fall semester. My last post on this hijacked thread topic. The university makes no distinction between athletes and non athletes with regard to degree requirements. No rule exists which says that an athlete can only spend eight semesters at Harvard.
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bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Mar 16, 2015 21:49:41 GMT -5
There is a de facto 8 semester rule at Harvard because students are required to take and complete courses on a schedule to graduate in four years and once a student completes the bachelor's degree requirements he/she is finished. Princeton does the same thing so injured players (Nate Walton, for one) have had to take a year off. Also, they only give financial aid for 8 semesters.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 16, 2015 22:16:19 GMT -5
There is a de facto 8 semester rule at Harvard because students are required to take and complete courses on a schedule to graduate in four years and once a student completes the bachelor's degree requirements he/she is finished. Princeton does the same thing so injured players (Nate Walton, for one) have had to take a year off. Also, they only give financial aid for 8 semesters. Athletes may run out of eligibility, but I know personally a few students who took more than eight semesters to complete degree requirements, and while some may have been paying full freight, I doubt they all were.
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bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Mar 16, 2015 22:39:25 GMT -5
handbook.fas.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k104674&pageid=icb.page673461&pageContentId=icb.pagecontent1470496&state=maximize&view=view.do&viewParam_name=Rate%20of%20WorkThe Faculty of Arts and Sciences does not use the semester hour as the unit of credit nor is extra credit granted for courses with laboratory work. Evaluation is in terms of “full-courses” and “half-courses.” A full-course under this Faculty might appropriately be translated as equal to at least eight semester hours of credit; a half-course to at least four semester hours. The normal rate of work is four half-courses per term, at least one of which must be taken for degree credit and a letter grade and offered by the Faculty of Arts and Sciences.
Ordinarily, no student may work at a rate less than necessary to maintain a yearly average rate of four full-courses passed (i.e., by the end of freshman year, at least four full-courses completed; by the end of sophomore year, at least eight full-courses completed; and by the end of junior year, at least twelve full-courses completed). By taking extra courses, students may accumulate credit that may be used to reduce their rate of work in a subsequent term or terms, provided that the overall average rate of four full-courses per year is maintained. Any freshman who wishes to complete fewer than four half-courses per term must obtain the approval of his or her Resident Dean of Freshmen. Students who do not proceed toward the degree at a satisfactory rate are subject to Administrative Board action, including denial of permission to register for subsequent terms. handbook.fas.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k104674&pageid=icb.page673465 In exceptional cases, and only to meet specific degree requirements for the AB degree, students may petition the Administrative Board for permission to remain in the College for one term beyond the end of the second term of their senior year.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 16, 2015 22:48:41 GMT -5
Soooo...how about dem hoyas?
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