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Post by kchoya on Mar 15, 2015 19:50:14 GMT -5
It is all we will be talking about if/when we win on thursday. Any hoya fan thinking two games down the road at this point, given recent tourney results, is an idiot. Respectfully. Because a fan thinking about a matchup with Duke will cause the team to lose to EWU? THAT sort of thinking is idiotic.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 15, 2015 20:14:38 GMT -5
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Post by grandmahoya on Mar 15, 2015 20:24:27 GMT -5
I think JTIII and the team are sick of hearing about our early exits from the NCAA tournament games. That should motivate them to get to the Sweet 16. Am licking my chops, thinking about playing Duke. If the freshman come to play and Josh stays out of foul trouble, Bril is aggressive and DSR, our leader, has one of his pure shooting days, who knows! Go Hoyas on Thursday.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 15, 2015 23:53:28 GMT -5
UNC vs. Harvard. How ironic. Not that ironic. Two of Harvard's best players last year were kids suspended for a whole year due to a cheating scandal and then readmitted because Amaker is a huge sleazeball.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Mar 16, 2015 8:10:07 GMT -5
UNC vs. Harvard. How ironic. Not that ironic. Two of Harvard's best players last year were kids suspended for a whole year due to a cheating scandal and then readmitted because Amaker is a huge sleazeball. Sorry, Dog, but your comments are NOT supported by the facts. The Harvard players who were involved in the scandal voluntarily withdrew from the school precisely in order to return last year. Amaker had absolutely nothing to due with them being readmitted. Those kids chose to go a route that was available to ANY student-athlete who found themselves in similar circumstances. The cheating, btw, was on a take home final. Flash mob,anyone?
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 16, 2015 8:35:54 GMT -5
Not that ironic. Two of Harvard's best players last year were kids suspended for a whole year due to a cheating scandal and then readmitted because Amaker is a huge sleazeball. Sorry, Dog, but your comments are NOT supported by the facts. The Harvard players who with involved in the scandal voluntarily withdrew from the school precisely in order to return last year. Amaker had absolutely nothing to due with them being readmitted. Those kids chose to go a route that was available to ANY student-athlete who found themselves in similar circumstances. The cheating, btw, was on a take home final. Flash mob,anyone? Potato, potato.
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Mar 16, 2015 8:43:17 GMT -5
My son's Final Four: "Wildcats, Wildcats, Wildcats and Hoyas". I guess we'd better not look past Davidson.
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Post by dailey247 on Mar 16, 2015 9:17:56 GMT -5
Don't forget we could also get hosed by geography. Could get stuck playing someone like Wofford in Charlotte. No, thanks. Selfishly, I'm hoping we get sent out west at some point. Ideally, playing in L.A. in the elite 8. The Hoyas haven't played in California since 2009, the West coast alumni could use a home game every once in a while. Here are the two relevant portions of the NCAA's procedures for creating the bracket, as it relates to geography: To recognize the demonstrated quality of such teams, the committee shall not place teams seeded on the first four lines at a potential “home-crowd disadvantage” in the second round.
Teams will remain in or as close to their areas of natural interest as possible. A team moved out of its natural area will be placed in the next closest region to the extent possible. If two teams from the same natural region are in contention for the same bracket position, the team ranked higher in the seed list shall remain in its natural region.The second round = the Round of 64. That rule was the same in 2008 btw...you don't get home-crowd disadvantage protection in the Round of 32, and much to 2008 Gonzaga's dismay a 7-seed doesn't get it in the first round. One theme I picked up in the accounts of the annual media mock-bracket exercise was the committee this year is going to pay more attention to keeping teams in their general geographic area where possible, to cut down on travel and costs. I don't necessarily mind that, because I think the sites are more fun when the teams top to bottom are more regional--it's weird that we've played at regions in Providence, Columbus, and Philly with San Diego State, and shocker...they didn't travel well. What's weird is IMO if our seed gets better, I think it increases our odds of playing somewhere far from DC. The 6-seed line has lots of 3-seed pairs like Maryland (a heavy favorite for Pittsburgh right now), Notre Dame (ditto for Columbus), and Iowa State and Oklahoma (I've seen both in Louisville and Columbus). The 4-seeds tend to be getting the leftover random cities w/o good teams nearby--namely Jacksonville, and the Portland and Seattle pods not occupied by Arizona and Gonzaga. Glad my fears were completely unfounded. I think we take care of business against EWU anyway, but Utah is a terrifying team and way underseeded. BUT, I expect decent fan support for our boys, when we played in Eugene a few years ago there was a strong fan contingent that made the trip.
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Post by SirSaxa on Mar 16, 2015 9:29:22 GMT -5
More precisely, well-known Anti-Hoya and Anti-Big East "journalist" (hee hee) John Feinstein wrote those comments. Predictable, right?
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 16, 2015 10:34:09 GMT -5
Not that ironic. Two of Harvard's best players last year were kids suspended for a whole year due to a cheating scandal and then readmitted because Amaker is a huge sleazeball. Sorry, Dog, but your comments are NOT supported by the facts. The Harvard players who with involved in the scandal voluntarily withdrew from the school precisely in order to return last year. Amaker had absolutely nothing to due with them being readmitted. Those kids chose to go a route that was available to ANY student-athlete who found themselves in similar circumstances. The cheating, btw, was on a take home final. Flash mob,anyone? They voluntarily withdrew because you can't spend more than 8 semesters at Harvard. It was basically what Jerian Grant did.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 16, 2015 12:03:36 GMT -5
My son's Final Four: "Wildcats, Wildcats, Wildcats and Hoyas". I guess we'd better not look past Davidson. 3 cats and 1 dog. Jack will tear them apart.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Mar 16, 2015 12:07:05 GMT -5
Sorry, Dog, but your comments are NOT supported by the facts. The Harvard players who with involved in the scandal voluntarily withdrew from the school precisely in order to return last year. Amaker had absolutely nothing to due with them being readmitted. Those kids chose to go a route that was available to ANY student-athlete who found themselves in similar circumstances. The cheating, btw, was on a take home final. Flash mob,anyone? They voluntarily withdrew because you can't spend more than 8 semesters at Harvard. It was basically what Jerian Grant did. I really only commented because of your reference to Amaker. No matter what occurred at Seton Hall or Michigan, Amaker's not guilty of any wrong doing at Harvard. Oh, yeah, spending more than eight semesters at Harvard has been known to occur, though perhaps not among athletes. Telling you what I know, not what I heard.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 16, 2015 12:32:51 GMT -5
They voluntarily withdrew because you can't spend more than 8 semesters at Harvard. It was basically what Jerian Grant did. I really only commented because of your reference to Amaker. No matter what occurred at Seton Hall or Michigan, Amaker's not guilty of any wrong doing at Harvard. Oh, yeah, spending more than eight semesters at Harvard has been known to occur, though perhaps not among athletes. Telling you what I know, not what I heard. Amaker has absolutely been skirting the rules at Harvard, especially institutional ones, that have somehow disappeared in light of basketball success.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Mar 16, 2015 13:08:40 GMT -5
I really only commented because of your reference to Amaker. No matter what occurred at Seton Hall or Michigan, Amaker's not guilty of any wrong doing at Harvard. Oh, yeah, spending more than eight semesters at Harvard has been known to occur, though perhaps not among athletes. Telling you what I know, not what I heard. Amaker has absolutely been skirting the rules at Harvard, especially institutional ones, that have somehow disappeared in light of basketball success. If you can't cite specifics, I have no interest in continuing this on the board. I invite you to PM me for further discussion if you are hellbent on casting aspersions Amaker's way.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 16, 2015 13:10:10 GMT -5
Amaker has absolutely been skirting the rules at Harvard, especially institutional ones, that have somehow disappeared in light of basketball success. If you can't cite specifics, I have no interest in continuing this on the board. I invite you to PM me for further discussion if you are hellbent on casting aspersions Amaker's way. Dang, are you Tommy's turtleneck supplier or something? Chill out dude.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Mar 16, 2015 13:54:27 GMT -5
If you can't cite specifics, I have no interest in continuing this on the board. I invite you to PM me for further discussion if you are hellbent on casting aspersions Amaker's way. Dang, are you Tommy's turtleneck supplier or something? Chill out dude. What reason do I have to chill out? I'm not the one making unsubstantiated claims. Nor have I gone out of my way to defend Amaker. Simply stated the facts I know.
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Post by seaweed on Mar 16, 2015 14:59:06 GMT -5
The cheating, btw, was on a take home final. Flash mob,anyone? Plus, it was a class about Congress. Frankly, not cheating would have shown a lack of understanding of the topic. But seriously AGH, voluntarily left school? Find me some documentation for that please, because all news reports related to the incident say the student "had to" withdraw or were forced to do so. If you think they left of their own accord, you may be more gullible than that Intro to Congress prof.
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 16, 2015 15:31:52 GMT -5
Back in high school there were two ways that students were expelled: asked to withdraw or required to withdraw. The only difference was that for the former you were essentially given the courtesy of "resigning" from the school rather than being expelled, but the end result was the same. Sounds like this might be a similar situation.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Mar 16, 2015 16:14:13 GMT -5
Folks, 1) I am by no means an Amaker apologist. As far as I know he has completely clean hands and has conducted himself and the Harvard basketball program in a laudatory fashion. 2) The two basketball players who were caught up in the academic cheating scandal withdrew from school in a time frame so as to preserve their eligibility upon their return to school. It was an option that was entirely possible for them within Harvard's regulations for student-athletes. Had they been expelled they would have lost that possibility. See: thegrio.com/2012/09/11/harvard-basketball-star-kyle-casey-accused-in-academic-cheating-scandal/3) Can we go back to focusing on the Hoyas?
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Post by seaweed on Mar 16, 2015 16:28:32 GMT -5
Folks, 1) I am by no means an Amaker apologist. As far as I know he has completely clean hands and has conducted himself and the Harvard basketball program in a laudatory fashion. Please do me a favor and read that bullet point again. Maybe it is just me, but doesn't that read a tad bit like you are more than an apologist? I mean, the second sentence sounds more like his agent than his apologist. What am I missing about your crimson admiration? Facts: The kids cheated. They are now back at the school and back on the team. You can talk loop holes all you want and whether they got guidance from the school to quit while the quitting was still good. We kicked Joshua and Greg W off the team without any questions for letting their grades drop below institutional levels. Harvard did the opposite. Defend, apologize, so whatever you want, there is no getting around the fact that we are the better program - morally, ethically, academically and athletically. There, I talked about the Hoyas.
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