EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 5, 2015 1:40:08 GMT -5
Where did I ever blame the vets or absolve the freshman? Well you said, "two can play this game" and then proceeded to name all the upperclassman's errors without listing their contributions during the last 10 minutes. I did that to show that the vets made mistakes also especially Josh..
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Post by JohnnyJones on Feb 5, 2015 1:40:15 GMT -5
A win Saturday makes the swelling go down but it won't remove the bruise from this loss. It is not that Providence is a bad team. Those last ten minutes were terrible and this loss will have ramifications when the regular season is over. Like I said before, this is nothing compared to throwing a slant pass at the one yard line on 2nd down with 40 seconds left in the super bowl when all you had to do is give Lynch or Wilson the ball and jump over the goal line. Puts things in perspective. Like we all thought the first time you said it, this is a Georgetown Basketball message board. No one really gives a about the Seattle Seahawks.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Feb 5, 2015 1:59:12 GMT -5
The little things really get to me in this loss. Like why did we settle for a 3 pt shot on a 3-1 break? Why wasn't Tre Campbell out there in the second half when he was our best player in the first half? Why was Josh in there on defense in the waning minutes when Hopkins is a way better defender? Why why why.
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 5, 2015 7:16:05 GMT -5
Like I said about a month ago, rooting for a team that relies heavily on freshman is an emotional roller coaster. Inconsistency is their calling card. More often than not, they hit the wall in February and the team comes crashing down to earth. I'd say we are at that point. Hopefully, they can gather themselves and get a second wind. If they do, March could be pretty fun. If not...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 7:19:33 GMT -5
I'm just amazed at how bad we can look for loooong stretches. If you take the first 18 or so minutes of the Xavier game and the last 12 minutes or so from last night, you have 30 minutes where we got outscored 57-24 by teams that aren't exactly Kentucky. 30 minutes out of 80 in the last two home games where we looked completely inept on both ends of the floor. That's what is concerning to me-once we start looking bad, there's no way to know when or even if it will end.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 5, 2015 8:00:27 GMT -5
The little things really get to me in this loss. Like why did we settle for a 3 pt shot on a 3-1 break? Why wasn't Tre Campbell out there in the second half when he was our best player in the first half? Why was Josh in there on defense in the waning minutes when Hopkins is a way better defender? Why why why. Tre played a number of minutes in the second half. He was ineffective on offense, and a negative on the defensive end.
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Post by calhoya on Feb 5, 2015 8:08:41 GMT -5
There is no way to understate the frustration from a loss like last night. The lack of discipline--by everyone, not just the younger players, is a recurring theme in these losses and close wins. The inconsistent effort between games and within games is another shock. The failure to use TOs during a run by the opponent. The poor FT shooting again in a critical part of the game. The obsession with making Smith a part of the gameplan in games when he is either clearly taken out of the offense by the opponent or just not performing. The love for Peak when he is not contributing or making poor decisions, while another freshmen has shown to be having a better night. The decision by a veteran during a critical stretch to pull up and shoot a 24 foot shot on a 3 on 1 break. The failure to rebound on the offensive boards. Watching Hopkins continue to beat his head against the invisible mental wall that manages to block any shot of his under the basket. Smith starting to run out on opponents at the top of the key, placing our only big ( and the least mobile man on th floor) at the time 15 feet from the basket while his man is underneath. The inability to play defense for a full game. The fact is that these are problems that should not happen in February. These are problems that have made most Hoya games closer than they should have been. Lazy fouls, lazy passes, unforced turnovers. Should not happen with this frequency during big games. Where is the concentration? Where is the consistency?
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 5, 2015 8:22:53 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Feb 5, 2015 8:31:33 GMT -5
Did someone ask DSR who is responsible for that? Why are the players not moving even though they know they have to for the offense to work effectively?
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 5, 2015 8:41:07 GMT -5
Did someone ask DSR who is responsible for that? Why are the players not moving even though they know they have to for the offense to work effectively? Why? Because they're tight. They're somewhat tentative after missing a few shots. Getting stagnant on offense is a huge problem at every level of the game, including the NBA and major Division I basketball -- regardless of system. It happens to every single team at every level when shots stop falling. Sure, it's the coach's responsibility to prevent that, but when everyone gets tight, what are you going to do?
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 5, 2015 8:55:24 GMT -5
Like I said about a month ago, rooting for a team that relies heavily on freshman is an emotional roller coaster. Inconsistency is their calling card. More often than not, they hit the wall in February and the team comes crashing down to earth. I'd say we are at that point. Hopefully, they can gather themselves and get a second wind. If they do, March could be pretty fun. If not... Yeah, I've come to terms with that being the reason, too. I still like this team a lot because even last night we had 4 players in double digits scoring. The options are there and I am hoping that will serve as well. But, they need to have the confidence to be aggressive down the stretch. That's why I was so psyched about winning the Butler game. But, that was the difference last night. When the game tightened, Henton just manned up and went to the hole. Even Derosians and Bentil dug in. Meanwhile, we passed around the perimeter and short armed every interior pass. All that being said, we are 3-1 in OT and won a last second game against Butler. I dont buy the lack of mental toughness nonsense. Some close games break your way, some don't. Im more annoyed by the passivity.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 5, 2015 8:55:27 GMT -5
Did someone ask DSR who is responsible for that? Why are the players not moving even though they know they have to for the offense to work effectively? Could it be that their opponents are well schooled in the sets they run? It could be they're unsure what defense the opponents are in on a given possession.. Here'a quote from JT3 and he's obviously 100% right but these long stretches of sloppy play happen too often.. “We can’t go through stretches where we aren’t getting shots,” Hoyas Coach John Thompson III said. “They did a good job of playing the passing lanes. We didn’t hold onto the ball strong a lot of times, but I think you’ve got to give their defense credit. It has to be better.”What's the team's plan B or C when things aren't going well? I don't see why the staff can't teach a simple weave or motion set that they could go to from time to time, give the other team something different to look at and prepare for..
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 5, 2015 9:10:48 GMT -5
What has surprised me the most to this point in the season aren't the inevitable hiccups, or the play of the upperclassmen, but rather are two things about the freshmen, and I think we saw both today: (1) Paul White's game is very one dimensional and has been for some time, which I wasn't expecting; and (2) I was expecting Tre to be a better overall defender, given the pre-season talk. He seems to get beat off the dribble constantly and not all that great off the ball.
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 5, 2015 9:10:50 GMT -5
The failure to use TOs during a run by the opponent. How many times am I going to have to point out in this thread that III DID take a timeout during their late push, drew up a play to get DSR an open 3, and DSR hit it. It was our only FG in the final 11:00+. Can we get off the Editeding timeout issue?
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 5, 2015 9:14:36 GMT -5
The reality is that we lost a game to another team that will be in the NCAA tournament. Yes we lost at home--we have never had much of a home court advantage against the non-Cuse or non-Dukes of he world. Any use of the word "elite" should have been shelved in describing this team after the Xavier performance last week and probably earlier.
It should be clear now that, notwithstanding what may have been suggested by the first two days in Atlantis, making the tournament this year is really the ultimate goal (as I think most of us would have agreed before the year started). Losing to a top 25 RPI team just doesn't really hurt this that much.
Anyway, that tournament bid is still very much within reach, and we have lots of chances to get good wins that will help us (and really only 1 bad loss opportunity left vs. DePaul).
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Post by calhoya on Feb 5, 2015 9:30:44 GMT -5
The failure to use TOs during a run by the opponent. How many times am I going to have to point out in this thread that III DID take a timeout during their late push, drew up a play to get DSR an open 3, and DSR hit it. It was our only FG in the final 11:00+. Can we get off the Editeding timeout issue? It has absolutely been a problem and he needed more than one TO during that stretch. There is no reason not to call another when the team is struggling.
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 5, 2015 9:32:24 GMT -5
My positive takeaway from this game. Despite some early foul trouble for DSR, I am so happy that we no longer have to question what is wrong with DSR. He has come to play for a while now, and last night he was terrific - no turnovers, the only Hoya trying to do something with the ball, the steadying 3 point shooting, without DSR we are a lost team and he continues to get in the passing lanes.
My biggest player concern is the diminishing play of Josh Smith since the Marquette game. He was been pretty bad on defense and not proactive on offense. He can be better, and I am hoping he comes out of his slump soon. I am very disappointed by his play considering this is it for him in college ball. Where is the urgency?
My biggest coaching concern is III's hesitation to call a TO and run a play to at least get an open shot when the team hits the inevitable drought. It is OK to call multiple TOs even if the other team is not on a run, you get 5 of them. We also have depth, so why not use it to break a drought? How about we throw Bowen in there or Campbell? Neither of those two are intimidated and sometimes that is what we need most on the court. Bowen is a playmaker - good and bad. If we are in a rut, at least give him a shot to make something happen. That is better than to watch other pass the ball around the perimeter.
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Post by beenaround on Feb 5, 2015 9:35:25 GMT -5
The reality is that we lost a game to another team that will be in the NCAA tournament. Yes we lost at home--we have never had much of a home court advantage against the non-Cuse or non-Dukes of he world. Any use of the word "elite" should have been shelved in describing this team after the Xavier performance last week and probably earlier. It should be clear now that, notwithstanding what may have been suggested by the first two days in Atlantis, making the tournament this year is really the ultimate goal (as I think most of us would have agreed before the year started). Losing to a top 25 RPI team just doesn't really hurt this that much. Anyway, that tournament bid is still very much within reach, and we have lots of chances to get good wins that will help us (and really only 1 bad loss opportunity left vs. DePaul). Well said. But...for some reason it does not make me feel much better today.
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 5, 2015 9:36:01 GMT -5
How many times am I going to have to point out in this thread that III DID take a timeout during their late push, drew up a play to get DSR an open 3, and DSR hit it. It was our only FG in the final 11:00+. Can we get off the Editeding timeout issue? It has absolutely been a problem and he needed more than one TO during that stretch. There is no reason not to call another when the team is struggling. It was 11 minutes of awful execution, you can use multiple TOs there, and substitutions. Sometimes III is stuck watching . . . just like his players. He has to remember he has options on that bench - use them all. You simply cannot allow an 11 minute span like that when you had the game in total control.
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 5, 2015 9:37:10 GMT -5
The reality is that we lost a game to another team that will be in the NCAA tournament. Yes we lost at home--we have never had much of a home court advantage against the non-Cuse or non-Dukes of he world. Any use of the word "elite" should have been shelved in describing this team after the Xavier performance last week and probably earlier. It should be clear now that, notwithstanding what may have been suggested by the first two days in Atlantis, making the tournament this year is really the ultimate goal (as I think most of us would have agreed before the year started). Losing to a top 25 RPI team just doesn't really hurt this that much. Anyway, that tournament bid is still very much within reach, and we have lots of chances to get good wins that will help us (and really only 1 bad loss opportunity left vs. DePaul). Good big picture perspective, this will be needed after I am done venting.
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