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Post by michaeldm9 on Feb 5, 2015 0:24:06 GMT -5
So, you're saying the offense calls for the perimeter players to repeatedly pass up wide open looks? Yeah, I'm certain that's what he coaches. I'm saying what anyone who has ever coached the game at any level will tell you and that is whatever the team does - good or bad - ultimately falls on the coach, period. As a coach, I tell my players all the time, when we look great, I give them all the praise to whomever wants to hear it. When we play poorly, no one is more upset than me but I also tell whomever wants to hear it that I need to a better job. I shoulder that burden because I can take the criticism. But what happens on the field/court is a direct reflection of your preparation, good or bad. I can take playing well and losing. Sometimes another team is just better than you. But I would love for someone on this board to tell me that they honestly feel like Georgetown played well tonight. I've defended JTIII for years but after games like this, I can't do it because he deserves a little criticism. Nothing personal. I am with you. its 2 things that has turned me off to him; 1) Who get playing time and allowed to make mistake.(He will live and die by his favorites.) 2) No repercussion to stupid play on the court.
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Post by guru on Feb 5, 2015 0:28:01 GMT -5
We are definitely trending toward the bubble. Hard not to see at least 3 more conference losses after recent play and assuming we don't win BET that puts us at 11 losses. Obviously depends on how we get there but tonight's collapse really puts us behind the 8 ball.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 5, 2015 0:30:32 GMT -5
Infuriating loss tonight. Had no business losing that game up 12 with 10-11 minutes to go. We simply stopped defending and made a bunch of stupid mistakes down the stretch. Lazy passes, dumb turnovers, missed free throws, you name it and we did it.
I thought Desrosiers played a pivotal role tonight in slowing down Josh. Josh got open for a couple of easy dunks, but other than that he was a complete non-factor. Desrosiers played him well defensively and if it wasn't a dunk, Josh wasn't getting anything (especially since he was crap from the stripe).
I understand the concept of switching and rotating on defense, but too often we are giving up looks to the people we don't want taking shots. At some point, you have to pick your poison and make a role player or two beat you. Henton was killing us down the stretch because he was the guy we were deciding to leave open. Close out on the people who can hurt you, not everyone.
On the offensive possession coming out of a timeout at 72-71... I understand drawing up inbounds plays or plays out of timeouts is not our strength. But to leave a timeout on the board when your squad is obviously finding it difficult to inbound the ball is a huge mistake by JTIII. It was painfully obvious from the start of the play that the spacing was all sorts of screwed up. Call the final timeout, regroup, and give the guys another chance to execute properly. Timeout management is coming up again and again as a weakness this year, and it's got to stop.
Thank you to the 400 or so students who made such a big sacrifice to come out to a 9pm game and risk missing their curfew / normal bedtime. To the rest of the students, a huge thumbs down (especially given the abysmal turnout against Xavier last week too). Seriously, if they can't get up for a game that has direct ramifications for a league title, when are they? Just an embarrassing showing again by the students in supporting a squad that deserves better. In a one possession game, it could've made a difference.
We've used up all of our margin of error with these back to back home losses. Saturday is going to be a tough one to win, but it's a must if they want any chance of winning the league title (or even finishing top 3). We have easily the most difficult schedule remaining of all the contenders for NCAA berths, so hopefully the guys will put this disaster behind them quickly and regroup.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 5, 2015 0:30:56 GMT -5
It's now February. For some of our players, it's their fourth February. I've been telling myself that the ceiling for this team is very high, that the sky is the limit, and that it's going to be a very enjoyable ride. Well, I did not expect that the growing pains would still be present into this month. Which player is the leader of this team? There is no one player that seems willing, or able, to take charge and say "follow me, boys." It's not a question of heart, a question of courage, or a question of talent. It's a question of leadership and passion.
For some teams, it's easy to see who that leader is. Not with this group. DSR doesn't lead. Trawick could, but really doesn't do enough offensively to lead. Hopkins? Smith? Please. And our freshmen takes turns, alternatively leading and then looking like deer in the headlights.
We'll probably acquit ourselves well in the Big East tournament, although we are not going to win it. We'll get into the NCAA tournament, probably as a 7 seed. We will not survive the first weekend, and we'll spend another offseason wondering what went wrong.
Yes, I may be overreacting to one loss. Had we trailed all game, and closed to a three-point loss, I probably would not be as troubled by this loss as I am. I still cannot get over the blown 3-on-1 let's-take-a-three-point-shot; of all of the wasted opportunities, that one should haunt this team for a long, long time.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 5, 2015 0:39:00 GMT -5
Infuriating loss tonight. Had no business losing that game up 12 with 10-11 minutes to go. We simply stopped defending and made a bunch of stupid mistakes down the stretch. Lazy passes, dumb turnovers, missed free throws, you name it and we did it. I thought Desrosiers played a pivotal role tonight in slowing down Josh. Josh got open for a couple of easy dunks, but other than that he was a complete non-factor. Desrosiers played him well defensively and if it wasn't a dunk, Josh wasn't getting anything (especially since he was crap from the stripe). I understand the concept of switching and rotating on defense, but too often we are giving up looks to the people we don't want taking shots. At some point, you have to pick your poison and make a role player or two beat you. Henton was killing us down the stretch because he was the guy we were deciding to leave open. Close out on the people who can hurt you, not everyone. On the offensive possession coming out of a timeout at 72-71... I understand drawing up inbounds plays or plays out of timeouts is not our strength. But to leave a timeout on the board when your squad is obviously finding it difficult to inbound the ball is a huge mistake by JTIII. It was painfully obvious from the start of the play that the spacing was all sorts of screwed up. Call the final timeout, regroup, and give the guys another chance to execute properly. Timeout management is coming up again and again as a weakness this year, and it's got to stop. Thank you to the 400 or so students who made such a big sacrifice to come out to a 9pm game and risk missing their curfew / normal bedtime. To the rest of the students, a huge thumbs down (especially given the abysmal turnout against Xavier last week too). Seriously, if they can't get up for a game that has direct ramifications for a league title, when are they? Just an embarrassing showing again by the students in supporting a squad that deserves better. In a one possession game, it could've made a difference. We've used up all of our margin of error with these back to back home losses. Saturday is going to be a tough one to win, but it's a must if they want any chance of winning the league title (or even finishing top 3). We have easily the most difficult schedule remaining of all the contenders for NCAA berths, so hopefully the guys will put this disaster behind them quickly and regroup. 10 minutes is a long time in basketball. I don't know why people think the game is over with 10 minutes left. 10 pts is really only 5-3 baskets. I think some times people get fooled by the raw number "10" rather than really focusing on by how many baskets you are leading. There was really way too much time to conclude anything at the 10 minute mark being up by just 3-5 baskets. By the 6 minute mark it was a 1 point game.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 5, 2015 0:41:58 GMT -5
It's now February. For some of our players, it's their fourth February. I've been telling myself that the ceiling for this team is very high, that the sky is the limit, and that it's going to be a very enjoyable ride. Well, I did not expect that the growing pains would still be present into this month. Which player is the leader of this team? There is no one player that seems willing, or able, to take charge and say "follow me, boys." It's not a question of heart, a question of courage, or a question of talent. It's a question of leadership and passion. For some teams, it's easy to see who that leader is. Not with this group. DSR doesn't lead. Trawick could, but really doesn't do enough offensively to lead. Hopkins? Smith? Please. And our freshmen takes turns, alternatively leading and then looking like deer in the headlights. We'll probably acquit ourselves well in the Big East tournament, although we are not going to win it. We'll get into the NCAA tournament, probably as a 7 seed. We will not survive the first weekend, and we'll spend another offseason wondering what went wrong. Yes, I may be overreacting to one loss. Had we trailed all game, and closed to a three-point loss, I probably would not be as troubled by this loss as I am. I still cannot get over the blown 3-on-1 let's-take-a-three-point-shot; of all of the wasted opportunities, that one should haunt this team for a long, long time. Oh come on, enough with the hysterics and hyperbole. It's not like the Hoyas threw a slant pass on the one yard line on 2nd down with 40 seconds left in the Super Bowl. Now that, will haunt the Seahawks for a very, very, very long time. Now that is real pain.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 5, 2015 0:46:44 GMT -5
Infuriating loss tonight. Had no business losing that game up 12 with 10-11 minutes to go. We simply stopped defending and made a bunch of stupid mistakes down the stretch. Lazy passes, dumb turnovers, missed free throws, you name it and we did it. I thought Desrosiers played a pivotal role tonight in slowing down Josh. Josh got open for a couple of easy dunks, but other than that he was a complete non-factor. Desrosiers played him well defensively and if it wasn't a dunk, Josh wasn't getting anything (especially since he was crap from the stripe). I understand the concept of switching and rotating on defense, but too often we are giving up looks to the people we don't want taking shots. At some point, you have to pick your poison and make a role player or two beat you. Henton was killing us down the stretch because he was the guy we were deciding to leave open. Close out on the people who can hurt you, not everyone. On the offensive possession coming out of a timeout at 72-71... I understand drawing up inbounds plays or plays out of timeouts is not our strength. But to leave a timeout on the board when your squad is obviously finding it difficult to inbound the ball is a huge mistake by JTIII. It was painfully obvious from the start of the play that the spacing was all sorts of screwed up. Call the final timeout, regroup, and give the guys another chance to execute properly. Timeout management is coming up again and again as a weakness this year, and it's got to stop. Thank you to the 400 or so students who made such a big sacrifice to come out to a 9pm game and risk missing their curfew / normal bedtime. To the rest of the students, a huge thumbs down (especially given the abysmal turnout against Xavier last week too). Seriously, if they can't get up for a game that has direct ramifications for a league title, when are they? Just an embarrassing showing again by the students in supporting a squad that deserves better. In a one possession game, it could've made a difference. We've used up all of our margin of error with these back to back home losses. Saturday is going to be a tough one to win, but it's a must if they want any chance of winning the league title (or even finishing top 3). We have easily the most difficult schedule remaining of all the contenders for NCAA berths, so hopefully the guys will put this disaster behind them quickly and regroup. 10 minutes is a long time in basketball. I don't know why people think the game is over with 10 minutes left. 10 pts is really only 5-3 baskets. I think some times people get fooled by the raw number "10" rather than really focusing on by how many baskets you are leading. There was really way too much time to conclude anything at the 10 minute mark being up by just 3-5 baskets. By the 6 minute mark it was a 1 point game. Because when you give up 28 points in the last 10 minutes of the game, it's a defensive problem. Should have never gotten that close that quickly to begin with. The elite teams extend leads and close them out when they get up by 10. They're not looking to hang on for dear life. For the first time all year, I thought every guy looked tentative down the stretch and was playing not to lose instead of attacking.
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 5, 2015 0:47:33 GMT -5
I was disgusted as everybody else but I am a little surprised by some of the vitriol. Look on the fan's bright side here--we no longer have to carry around the burden of worrying about the conference race. Now making the tournament is all that matters and each game can be watched with that view.
Losing to Providence is not the indignity it would have been 4 years ago. They are a good program with talented players. Our team relies on a guy who can't really get his own shot, another guy who almost ate his way out of basketball, and a bunch of freshmen. Play is going to be up and down. Expectations have gotten warped because of rankings and close games against Wisconsin, etc.
In the end, like every other season this one will be evaluated by what happens in March. I didn't need tonight to remind me that we may well embarrass ourselves and lay an egg in the postseason. I knew that already.
We will find the wins we need to get in as a low single digit seed and take our chances. Flaws, warts, and all.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 5, 2015 0:56:45 GMT -5
10 minutes is a long time in basketball. I don't know why people think the game is over with 10 minutes left. 10 pts is really only 5-3 baskets. I think some times people get fooled by the raw number "10" rather than really focusing on by how many baskets you are leading. There was really way too much time to conclude anything at the 10 minute mark being up by just 3-5 baskets. By the 6 minute mark it was a 1 point game. Because when you give up 28 points in the last 10 minutes of the game, it's a defensive problem. Should have never gotten that close that quickly to begin with. The elite teams extend leads and close them out when they get up by 10. They're not looking to hang on for dear life. For the first time all year, I thought every guy looked tentative down the stretch and was playing not to lose instead of attacking. I didn't know that this team had become elite. It's a work in progress with all the 3 star-4 star freshman playing major minutes. I think it's more the problem with the offense which scored only 11 points in the last 10 minutes. The only ones who scored were Joshua Smith, DSR and Trawick. The freshman scored zero points collectively during those last 10 minutes.People want to ignore pointing the finger at the freshman in favor of the usual whipping boy upperclassmen but here are the freshman's statistical mistakes in the last 10 minutes:LJ Peak foul Paul White missed 3 Paul White turnover Paul White foul Copeland turnover Copleand missed 3 Copleand foul Copeland missed 2 LJ Peak Turnover Copeland foul
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 5, 2015 1:00:07 GMT -5
I was disgusted as everybody else but I am a little surprised by some of the vitriol. Look on the fan's bright side here--we no longer have to carry around the burden of worrying about the conference race. Now making the tournament is all that matters and each game can be watched with that view. Losing to Providence is not the indignity it would have been 4 years ago. They are a good program with talented players. Our team relies on a guy who can't really get his own shot, another guy who almost ate his way out of basketball, and a bunch of freshmen. Play is going to be up and down. Expectations have gotten warped because of rankings and close games against Wisconsin, etc. In the end, like every other season this one will be evaluated by what happens in March. I didn't need tonight to remind me that we may well embarrass ourselves and lay an egg in the postseason. I knew that already. We will find the wins we need to get in as a low single digit seed and take our chances. Flaws, warts, and all. We could win every regular season game, the Big East title and the BET and it would not matter if you get knocked out in the first round because TJIHoyas would come swooping in like a vulture shouting in glee and proclaiming a failed season. So the way I see it these Big East titles and BET things are meaningless.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 5, 2015 1:05:29 GMT -5
Because when you give up 28 points in the last 10 minutes of the game, it's a defensive problem. Should have never gotten that close that quickly to begin with. The elite teams extend leads and close them out when they get up by 10. They're not looking to hang on for dear life. For the first time all year, I thought every guy looked tentative down the stretch and was playing not to lose instead of attacking. I didn't know that this team had become elite. It's a work in progress with all the 3 star-4 star freshman playing major minutes. I think it's more the problem with the offense which scored only 11 points in the last 10 minutes. The only ones who scored were Joshua Smith, DSR and Trawick. The freshman scored zero points collectively during those last 10 minutes.People want to ignore pointing the finger at the freshman in favor of the usual whipping boy upperclassmen but here are the freshman's statistical mistakes in the last 10 minutes:LJ Peak foul Paul White missed 3 Paul White turnover Paul White foul Copeland turnover Copleand missed 3 Copleand foul Copeland missed 2 LJ Peak Turnover Copeland foul It hasn't become elite. That's the point I was making. You keep letting teams back into it, you're eventually going to get burned. Not getting stops, not scoring, it all contributed to losing by a bucket at the end of the night. But I know this team is prone to scoring droughts. It has happened before, and it's going to happen again like it did tonight. But giving up that many points coming down the stretch should never happen (especially since we intentionally fouled what, once?). That was my point. I agree, the freshman were awful down the stretch. White's defense in particular has regressed to the point where it's hard to keep him on the floor (and the minutes reflect that). But when the frosh all have the deer-in-the-headlights look, the upperclassmen have to step up and take charge to make up for it. The growing pains for the frosh aren't over yet, but I expected a little bit more leadership from the experienced guys when things got tough tonight.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 5, 2015 1:07:08 GMT -5
Because when you give up 28 points in the last 10 minutes of the game, it's a defensive problem. Should have never gotten that close that quickly to begin with. The elite teams extend leads and close them out when they get up by 10. They're not looking to hang on for dear life. For the first time all year, I thought every guy looked tentative down the stretch and was playing not to lose instead of attacking. I didn't know that this team had become elite. It's a work in progress with all the 3 star-4 star freshman playing major minutes. I think it's more the problem with the offense which scored only 11 points in the last 10 minutes. The only ones who scored were Joshua Smith, DSR and Trawick. The freshman scored zero points collectively during those last 10 minutes.People want to ignore pointing the finger at the freshman in favor of the usual whipping boy upperclassmen but here are the freshman's statistical mistakes in the last 10 minutes:LJ Peak foul Paul White missed 3 Paul White turnover Paul White foul Copeland turnover Copleand missed 3 Copleand foul Copeland missed 2 LJ Peak Turnover Copeland foul Two can play this game.. Trawick missed layup Smith missed FT Trawick turnover Foul on Smith Foul on Trwaick Turnover Trawick Trawick Missed FT Trawick missed FT Smith missed hook shot Foul on Smith Foul on Smith Plus one of Copeland's fouls was completely on Smith for running out at Derosires late in the shot clock.. At least be a little fair about it..
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 5, 2015 1:11:40 GMT -5
Tonight's +/-, as calculated from the play-by-play posted on guhoyas.com:
Hopkins +8, Bowen +5, Smith-Rivera +4, White +1, Cameron -2, Smith -3, Campbell -3, Trawick -4, Peak -4, Copeland -11.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 5, 2015 1:13:48 GMT -5
I didn't know that this team had become elite. It's a work in progress with all the 3 star-4 star freshman playing major minutes. I think it's more the problem with the offense which scored only 11 points in the last 10 minutes. The only ones who scored were Joshua Smith, DSR and Trawick. The freshman scored zero points collectively during those last 10 minutes.People want to ignore pointing the finger at the freshman in favor of the usual whipping boy upperclassmen but here are the freshman's statistical mistakes in the last 10 minutes:LJ Peak foul Paul White missed 3 Paul White turnover Paul White foul Copeland turnover Copleand missed 3 Copleand foul Copeland missed 2 LJ Peak Turnover Copeland foul Two can play this game.. Trawick missed layup Smith missed FT Trawick turnover Foul on Smith Foul on Trwaick Turnover Trawick Trawick Missed FT Trawick missed FT Smith missed hook shot Foul on Smith Foul on Smith Plus one of Copeland's fouls was completely on Smith for running out at Derosires late in the shot clock.. At least be a little fair about it.. You should take your own advice then: Last 10 minutes:Joshua Smith FT Joshua Smith FT Joshua Smtih FT DSR 3pter Trawick FT Trawick FT DSR FT DSR FT DSR FT DSR FT vs Freshman 0 pts
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 5, 2015 1:19:05 GMT -5
Guys, there's more than enough blame to go around. One field goal in the last ten minutes. That's all I need to know.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 5, 2015 1:22:29 GMT -5
Two can play this game.. Trawick missed layup Smith missed FT Trawick turnover Foul on Smith Foul on Trwaick Turnover Trawick Trawick Missed FT Trawick missed FT Smith missed hook shot Foul on Smith Foul on Smith Plus one of Copeland's fouls was completely on Smith for running out at Derosires late in the shot clock.. At least be a little fair about it.. You should take your own advice then: Last 10 minutes:Joshua Smith FT Joshua Smith FT Joshua Smtih FT DSR 3pter Trawick FT Trawick FT DSR FT DSR FT DSR FT DSR FT vs Freshman 0 pts Where did I ever blame the vets or absolve the freshman?
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 5, 2015 1:25:46 GMT -5
You should take your own advice then: Last 10 minutes:Joshua Smith FT Joshua Smith FT Joshua Smtih FT DSR 3pter Trawick FT Trawick FT DSR FT DSR FT DSR FT DSR FT vs Freshman 0 pts Where did I ever blame the vets or absolve the freshman? Well you said, "two can play this game" and then proceeded to name all the upperclassman's errors without listing their contributions during the last 10 minutes.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 5, 2015 1:29:59 GMT -5
Guys, there's more than enough blame to go around. One field goal in the last ten minutes. That's all I need to know. Here's the thing. In these close games we've always had one of the freshman step up and that's been enough to help us win some close games or games against good opponents. In this game all the freshman layed an egg (even Tre Campbell had -3 plus minus although on first look he seemed to be playing well). Sometimes the odds say that's going to happen and if it does we are going to struggle but even with those struggles we almost pulled this game out. (Although without Joshua Smith, even a DSR 3pter to put us in overtime probably wouldn't have been enough).
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Post by Just Cos on Feb 5, 2015 1:32:43 GMT -5
A win Saturday makes the swelling go down but it won't remove the bruise from this loss. It is not that Providence is a bad team. Those last ten minutes were terrible and this loss will have ramifications when the regular season is over.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 5, 2015 1:35:27 GMT -5
A win Saturday makes the swelling go down but it won't remove the bruise from this loss. It is not that Providence is a bad team. Those last ten minutes were terrible and this loss will have ramifications when the regular season is over. Like I said before, this is nothing compared to throwing a slant pass at the one yard line on 2nd down with 40 seconds left in the super bowl when all you had to do is give Lynch or Wilson the ball and jump over the goal line. Puts things in perspective.
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