MassHoya
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Post by MassHoya on Jan 23, 2015 8:19:05 GMT -5
Let's skip the NCAA analysis for now and pay attention to the task at hand - beating Wojo (anyone remember Barney Miller?) and the Warriors.
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GUMBA
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Post by GUMBA on Jan 23, 2015 11:10:17 GMT -5
Loved Barney Miller and the loveable Wojo - don't call me Stanley - character played by Max Gail. As for the Warriors, I think the Baseball Furies are ready to take them out.
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Jan 23, 2015 11:12:35 GMT -5
any hoyas making the tip to milwaukee?
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 23, 2015 11:18:06 GMT -5
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Jan 23, 2015 11:29:28 GMT -5
If by Milwaukee you mean Omaha.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 23, 2015 11:30:15 GMT -5
If by Milwaukee you mean Omaha. Ha! Oops...coffee hasn't kicked in yet.
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OldHoyafan
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Post by OldHoyafan on Jan 23, 2015 14:44:22 GMT -5
This is a game that I hope we see a more aggressive and determined DSR at the beginning of the game rather than the end. As Jay Wright said about Copeland, teams will now be preparing for him and White, so those two may not have immediate openings or success. It's important that the HOYAS are not over reliant on their immediate success in this game. I would rather they be more reliant on DSR having a strong first half than the freshmen. If DSR can get off early, then the freshmen are more likely to keep taking good shots even if they miss a few, but if DSR defers early and the freshmen miss some early shots they may go back into a shell for long periods of the game. This also maybe Cameron's last shot at giving JTIII confidence that he can hit the open 3pt shot consistently. I don't think he has hit two shots in a row this year. If he can hit two or more shots, this too will lessen the scoring burden on the frosh.
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 23, 2015 14:59:45 GMT -5
For personal and "I want to be in the Top 25!" reasons, winning the game tomorrow would be really, really nice and very good for the BE race. But I'll say this: if there is a game in our next 4 leading up to at Nova that we are justified in losing, it is this one. Losing at home or losing at 0-7 Creighton really are not options.
For those calling this game a "must win"--are we really saying that anything short of a 7-game winning streak entering the Nova rematch is a disappointment/failure?
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Cambridge
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Post by Cambridge on Jan 23, 2015 15:02:04 GMT -5
For personal and "I want to be in the Top 25!" reasons, winning the game tomorrow would be really, really nice and very good for the BE race. But I'll say this: if there is a game in our next 4 leading up to at Nova that we are justified in losing, it is this one. Losing at home or losing at 0-7 Creighton really are not options. For those calling this game a "must win"--are we really saying that anything short of a 7-game winning streak entering the Nova rematch is a disappointment/failure? Couldn't agree more. I had this penciled in as a loss since I first saw the schedule. I'll be pleasantly surprised if I'm wrong, but I will be shocked if Saturday's game is a pleasant viewing experience.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 23, 2015 15:18:12 GMT -5
For personal and "I want to be in the Top 25!" reasons, winning the game tomorrow would be really, really nice and very good for the BE race. But I'll say this: if there is a game in our next 4 leading up to at Nova that we are justified in losing, it is this one. Losing at home or losing at 0-7 Creighton really are not options. For those calling this game a "must win"--are we really saying that anything short of a 7-game winning streak entering the Nova rematch is a disappointment/failure? I wouldn't say its a failure, but I'd be disappointed. Even taking into account Marquette's home court (My theory is that all of the sausage and beer in the air gives Marquette the same kind of advantage that a high altitude team gets), I'd still be disappointed to lose there.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jan 23, 2015 15:23:07 GMT -5
This is a game that I hope we see a more aggressive and determined DSR at the beginning of the game rather than the end. As Jay Wright said about Copeland, teams will now be preparing for him and White, so those two may not have immediate openings or success. Jay may indeed by right (ha ha). But if so, that means less attention available to devote to DSR, Jabril, Peak and Josh. That is the beauty of having so many reliable scoring options - you just can't cover them all. I agree with your comment about DSR getting off early. His success drives the team. It would be tough to justify the "must win" status for the @ 'Quette game, but it sure would be nice. Looking at it another way, if we don't follow up the 'Nova game with another W, we negate the big beat down. I expect the team to come out fired up for a big game. MU will be throwing zones at us, but we have gotten better at our Zone offense. If GU continues to develop its on court teamwork, cohesion and effectiveness, this game should be ours for the taking. It would also bode really well for the remainder of the schedule. I guess I'd say this is a really important game to keep our streak going (5 of 6 since that NY's Eve debacle in Cincy) and to solidify our return to the Top 25, but still can't characterize it as "must win". And yes, like everyone else I love seeing our Frosh blossom before our eyes. Success breeds confidence leads to more success. Copeland is on a tear.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 23, 2015 15:37:11 GMT -5
Anytime someone says "must win" there's by necessity a must win "to accomplish x." That is almost always unsaid.
There's almost nothing that this is truly a must-win except it's a must-win to us going 16-2 in the BE Regular Season. It's close to a must win to us winning the Big East Regular Season, but not completely.
It's nowhere near a must-win to make the tourney.
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 23, 2015 15:42:14 GMT -5
Anytime someone says "must win" there's by necessity a must win "to accomplish x." That is almost always unsaid. There's almost nothing that this is truly a must-win except it's a must-win to us going 16-2 in the BE Regular Season. It's close to a must win to us winning the Big East Regular Season, but not completely. It's nowhere near a must-win to make the tourney. What do we think is required to win the conference? 14-4? 15-3? I haven't looked at Villanova's remaining road schedule to get a sense of how many losses they might reasonably expect to get. I continue to think 13-5 is a great result for this team, regardless of where that puts them in the final standings.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 23, 2015 15:54:04 GMT -5
Anytime someone says "must win" there's by necessity a must win "to accomplish x." That is almost always unsaid. There's almost nothing that this is truly a must-win except it's a must-win to us going 16-2 in the BE Regular Season. It's close to a must win to us winning the Big East Regular Season, but not completely. It's nowhere near a must-win to make the tourney. What do we think is required to win the conference? 14-4? 15-3? I haven't looked at Villanova's remaining road schedule to get a sense of how many losses they might reasonably expect to get. I continue to think 13-5 is a great result for this team, regardless of where that puts them in the final standings. 15-3 would do it obviously. I really can't see Nova winning out. 14-4 is very likely to at least tie. I think 13-5 is most likely a strong second place with a chance at a tie. I don't really know that this team has earned this level of exuberance. But when lost to Providence, I was annoyed because our tourney resume kinda sucked. After Villanova, I'm annoyed we lost at Providence because we could be 6-1.
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 23, 2015 15:58:55 GMT -5
What do we think is required to win the conference? 14-4? 15-3? I haven't looked at Villanova's remaining road schedule to get a sense of how many losses they might reasonably expect to get. I continue to think 13-5 is a great result for this team, regardless of where that puts them in the final standings. 15-3 would do it obviously. I really can't see Nova winning out. 14-4 is very likely to at least tie. I think 13-5 is most likely a strong second place with a chance at a tie. I don't really know that this team has earned this level of exuberance. But when lost to Providence, I was annoyed because our tourney resume kinda sucked. After Villanova, I'm annoyed we lost at Providence because we could be 6-1. I'm with you. 10 minutes into the Butler home game, I was convinced that the program was finished forever, and destined for a long, slow death marked by increasing alumni malaise. That was 70 minutes of basketball ago. I don't expect them to win Saturday--though I think they will have their chances and the game will be close--and if they don't, there is no reason at all to be certain we won't go 2-7 or something on the road, with a home upset always a possibility.
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HoyaChris
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Post by HoyaChris on Jan 23, 2015 16:40:52 GMT -5
hy is it that whenever I read a Big Dog post around this game that I am transported to Field of Dreams and hear a voice whispering "Ease his pain."
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Jan 23, 2015 16:51:27 GMT -5
What do we think is required to win the conference? 14-4? 15-3? I haven't looked at Villanova's remaining road schedule to get a sense of how many losses they might reasonably expect to get. I continue to think 13-5 is a great result for this team, regardless of where that puts them in the final standings. 15-3 would do it obviously. I really can't see Nova winning out. 14-4 is very likely to at least tie. I think 13-5 is most likely a strong second place with a chance at a tie. I don't really know that this team has earned this level of exuberance. But when lost to Providence, I was annoyed because our tourney resume kinda sucked. After Villanova, I'm annoyed we lost at Providence because we could be 6-1. Totally agree. Let's see some consistency first.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 23, 2015 16:53:56 GMT -5
Just win this game. It would mean consistency has been added to our repertoire and build up our team's confidence. Winning at MU would solidify our Nova win and showing that it was not a fluke. I am sure Marquette will be up for this game, and I don't want the Hoyas to be put under undue pressure that they will think that they have to win this game. However, we should come in with the same attitude that we had when we played Nova and know if we play well, we can win this road game.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 23, 2015 16:56:27 GMT -5
15-3 would do it obviously. I really can't see Nova winning out. 14-4 is very likely to at least tie. I think 13-5 is most likely a strong second place with a chance at a tie. I don't really know that this team has earned this level of exuberance. But when lost to Providence, I was annoyed because our tourney resume kinda sucked. After Villanova, I'm annoyed we lost at Providence because we could be 6-1. Totally agree. Let's see some consistency first. I am glad we agree on that - consistency. And calhoya you will soon be a legacy Hoya, when you publish you 1789th post.
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 23, 2015 17:07:20 GMT -5
Just win this game. It would mean consistency has been added to our repertoire and build up our team's confidence. Winning at MU would solidify our Nova win and showing that it was not a fluke. I am sure Marquette will be up for this game, and I don't want the Hoyas to be put under undue pressure that they will think that they have to win this game. However, we should come in with the same attitude that we had when we played Nova and know if we play well, we can win this road game. I have probably said enough on this game, but to be clear: I don't think a defeat necessarily means a failure by our guys. Marquette RPI notwithstanding is tough enough at home that we could play well and still lose. I hope there isn't a board meltdown in the event of defeat.
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