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Post by Big Dog on Jan 23, 2015 17:08:39 GMT -5
hy is it that whenever I read a Big Dog post around this game that I am transported to Field of Dreams and hear a voice whispering "Ease his pain." I am a die hard Packers fan (went to the Cowboys game). I assure you, there will be no pain over what happens tomorrow. There is none left to feel.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 23, 2015 17:41:51 GMT -5
C'mon folks, we easily defeat Marquette tomorrow. We just held two very good offensive teams to under 60 points. If it weren't for the refs we could easily have scored 90 against Nova. Put yourself in Wojo's shoes. How do you defense this team? 2-3 zone and collapse on Josh? Either DSR, White, Copeland and Peak can light it up from outside. Double team DSR? Peak will penetrate and score. And who guards Josh? Fisher will be in foul trouble 10 minutes in. Meanwhile JT3 has so many long arms on Defense that while Carlino will score a ton early I predict he is shot by the second half and gets shut out in last 10 minutes of the game. Hoyas 70-58.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 23, 2015 17:51:47 GMT -5
I don't expect an easy win. We will have to be ready and play well. But come on guys - Marquette is not that good this year. 2-4 does not scare me. We are the better team. I expect a win. Anything less is disappointing. Not devestating but definitely not what we should expect.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 23, 2015 18:23:37 GMT -5
C'mon folks, we easily defeat Marquette tomorrow. We just held two very good offensive teams to under 60 points. If it weren't for the refs we could easily have scored 90 against Nova. Put yourself in Wojo's shoes. How do you defense this team? 2-3 zone and collapse on Josh? Either DSR, White, Copeland and Peak can light it up from outside. Double team DSR? Peak will penetrate and score. And who guards Josh? Fisher will be in foul trouble 10 minutes in. Meanwhile JT3 has so many long arms on Defense that while Carlino will score a ton early I predict he is shot by the second half and gets shut out in last 10 minutes of the game. Hoyas 70-58. You absolutely zone. Play aggressively on swarming and make us rotate the ball quickly enough or act quickly enough to beat them. I'd pressure the heck out of our ballhandlers until we proved aggressive enough to exploit it. Then I'd sit back until we hit threes, because some games we absolutely cannot. I sure as heck don't try to get in an up and down game. I leave Hopkins open as much as possible.
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 23, 2015 18:43:42 GMT -5
C'mon folks, we easily defeat Marquette tomorrow. We just held two very good offensive teams to under 60 points. If it weren't for the refs we could easily have scored 90 against Nova. Put yourself in Wojo's shoes. How do you defense this team? 2-3 zone and collapse on Josh? Either DSR, White, Copeland and Peak can light it up from outside. Double team DSR? Peak will penetrate and score. And who guards Josh? Fisher will be in foul trouble 10 minutes in. Meanwhile JT3 has so many long arms on Defense that while Carlino will score a ton early I predict he is shot by the second half and gets shut out in last 10 minutes of the game. Hoyas 70-58. You absolutely zone. Play aggressively on swarming and make us rotate the ball quickly enough or act quickly enough to beat them. I'd pressure the heck out of our ballhandlers until we proved aggressive enough to exploit it. Then I'd sit back until we hit threes, because some games we absolutely cannot. I sure as heck don't try to get in an up and down game. I leave Hopkins open as much as possible. Right. Anybody who can't picture us clanking threes, turning it over, seeing Hop miss 2-footers, and just generally looking bewildered against a zone has an insanely short memory. How many times prior to Nova have we had 8+ minute FG droughts? That wasn't fixed just because Jay Wright idiotically insisted on playing Man.
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Post by guru on Jan 23, 2015 19:12:32 GMT -5
Big Dog! Your posts around Marquette are always fun to read, but good God man pull it together. It's been established that you don't think the Hoyas will win but the game is now just hours away so let's shift to some positivity. We are the much better team - which hasn't always been true in our many losses in Milwaukee over the years - and I'm expecting a tough W.
Also (in best Tommy Boy - Marquette grad! - impersonation): Sorry about the Packers, man. That sucks.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 23, 2015 19:28:47 GMT -5
You absolutely zone. Play aggressively on swarming and make us rotate the ball quickly enough or act quickly enough to beat them. I'd pressure the heck out of our ballhandlers until we proved aggressive enough to exploit it. Then I'd sit back until we hit threes, because some games we absolutely cannot. I sure as heck don't try to get in an up and down game. I leave Hopkins open as much as possible. Right. Anybody who can't picture us clanking threes, turning it over, seeing Hop miss 2-footers, and just generally looking bewildered against a zone has an insanely short memory. How many times prior to Nova have we had 8+ minute FG droughts? That wasn't fixed just because Jay Wright idiotically insisted on playing Man. The only way we lose this game is if the frosh can't handle the home crowd. Otherwise we are so Much better than them that it won't be close. Copeland has arrived and the 8+ minute droughts are over. However, I agree that Hops misses will unfortunately never end...
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Post by MassHoya on Jan 23, 2015 19:38:07 GMT -5
Consistency is nice. Winning however is better.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 23, 2015 20:07:43 GMT -5
Big Dog has made very good points. He's right to not expect a win. It's not easy to win on the road. Did you guys know that the #4 team in the country got blown out a few days ago by an unranked team that isn't typically known for a home court advantage? Marquette is, for whatever reason, ridiculously good at home. Not their play or their team. Just their record. It makes little sense and, on a neutral floor, I'd expect to see us win by probably 10. At Quette? Gotta take it because it's not going to be handed to the Hoyas. Hopefully the good shooting Hoyas show up and not Mr. Hyde Hoyas.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 23, 2015 20:08:47 GMT -5
Consistency is nice. Winning however is better. Consistent winning is best.
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Post by MassHoya on Jan 23, 2015 20:43:18 GMT -5
Consistency is nice. Winning however is better. Consistent winning is best. True dat.
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 23, 2015 20:50:35 GMT -5
I don't understand how losing tomorrow isn't disappointing and also a bad lose. There isn't some magic in Marquette that leads to the opposing team losing. We lost in the past to Marquette teams that better than us at least equal to us in talent. The gap is wide this year and we should win this game. I'm not expecting a blowout but we should win a close game. Stick with Carlino and make Fischer shoot over a big and we should win this game. If not we shouldn't write it off as some Marquette home court voodoo. We should be very disappointed.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 23, 2015 21:26:20 GMT -5
I don't understand how losing tomorrow isn't disappointing and also a bad lose. There isn't some magic in Marquette that leads to the opposing team losing. We lost in the past to Marquette teams that better than us at least equal to us in talent. The gap is wide this year and we should win this game. I'm not expecting a blowout but we should win a close game. Stick with Carlino and make Fischer shoot over a big and we should win this game. If not we shouldn't write it off as some Marquette home court voodoo. We should be very disappointed. Maybe but it's not like we handled them easily at home this year either. We're not a good shooting team yet and Carlino needs zero time to get his shot off. There's a reason he's as dangerous as he is. And 3 defense hasn't been a strength yet for us this year and that's against teams with less talented shooters than Carlino. Your other points are valid but, if the game is called loosely, while that benefits us, it also benefits Quette. They like to grab and slap and do whatever they can to disrupt opposing offenses because they're not the most talented squad. They are, however, physical. We need to worry if Josh picks up early fouls because Quette is not going to let us run and they're not going to play man D. They might not have the "talent" that our guys have but they are a bad matchup for this team if it's having a poor shooting night. It's not a given that Isaac or PW can consistently hit the jumper from the foul line. I'd personally like to see a lot of White and Copeland together taking turns at the foul line and baseline with Josh down low for high low and passing to the baseline for a short jumper or an open dunk. This is going to be an important game in getting a feel for how much the guys have progressed individually and in terms of half-court against an aggressive zone. I have read that people want DSR to get shots early and I don't disagree. It would be great if he hit a 3 or 2 early but I'd more like to see use attack the zone right away and not just swing the ball trying to get an open look. If, early in the game, we can penetrate the zone with smart passing into it by White, Copeland, and Josh, you can break their spirit early and cause them to scramble. Additionally, if we can do that and build a lead of any significance, they'll have to start gambling on D which will allow us to run a bit. It'll probably be a close, tense game but it will show us a lot about where we're at.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 23, 2015 22:10:49 GMT -5
Anytime someone says "must win" there's by necessity a must win "to accomplish x." That is almost always unsaid. There's almost nothing that this is truly a must-win except it's a must-win to us going 16-2 in the BE Regular Season. It's close to a must win to us winning the Big East Regular Season, but not completely. It's nowhere near a must-win to make the tourney. What do we think is required to win the conference? 14-4? 15-3? I haven't looked at Villanova's remaining road schedule to get a sense of how many losses they might reasonably expect to get. I continue to think 13-5 is a great result for this team, regardless of where that puts them in the final standings. Nova still has to play @ Butler, @ Providence, @ Xavier, @ Marquette, and @ DePaul (@ Creighton too, but the first 5 are harder) They also still face the Hoyas, Seton Hall, Providence, and St. John's at home. Nova will lose at least 2 more if not more. But probably not more than 4.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 23, 2015 22:34:48 GMT -5
Keys to the game.
#1 Turnovers this is the biggest factor in the game. Marquette is great at forcing turnovers and the Hoyas love to turn it over although we've been good in this win streak (9, 9, 11). In the first meeting we had 15. If we keep turnover to single digits we win this game easily.
#2 Defense. We played swarming defense vs. Nova. If we play defense close to that good Marquette might not break 40. They're not a good offensive team. Pack it in on fischer except for the guy guarding Carlino. Dare someone else to beat us.
#3 rebounding. We killed them on the boards last game especially offensively(14 boards, . That's another reason why turnovers are so key if we can just get the ball up on the rim there's a good chance we get our own rebound and put it in.
#4 attacking the zone. I'm not as worried on this. I think we looked better against the zone since that game than we did in that game. plus the emergence of Copeland gives us another guy who can hit the 3 and the mid range shot. We should struggle less.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 23, 2015 23:02:48 GMT -5
Tomorrow's game will be a good test of my "rope a dope 3 point shooters" theory. Let's see if Carlino puts up a bunch of 3's in the first half he doesn't run out of steam in the last 10 minutes of the game. Key to my theory is being sure to make him work for his shots, maybe foul him hard a few times, and make him play D.
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Post by Filo on Jan 24, 2015 1:02:17 GMT -5
I don't understand how losing tomorrow isn't disappointing and also a bad lose. There isn't some magic in Marquette that leads to the opposing team losing. We lost in the past to Marquette teams that better than us at least equal to us in talent. The gap is wide this year and we should win this game. I'm not expecting a blowout but we should win a close game. Stick with Carlino and make Fischer shoot over a big and we should win this game. If not we shouldn't write it off as some Marquette home court voodoo. We should be very disappointed. Take away the blowout over 'nova and this team has not exactly been a juggernaut. We barely squeaked by Marquette at home and we have had very little success against Marquette on the road. While we are all pretty optimistic, and hope that the team is ready to go on an extended run, an objective look (as well as Vegas) suggests that a win is not exactly guaranteed.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 24, 2015 9:10:20 GMT -5
I don't understand how losing tomorrow isn't disappointing and also a bad lose. There isn't some magic in Marquette that leads to the opposing team losing. We lost in the past to Marquette teams that better than us at least equal to us in talent. The gap is wide this year and we should win this game. I'm not expecting a blowout but we should win a close game. Stick with Carlino and make Fischer shoot over a big and we should win this game. If not we shouldn't write it off as some Marquette home court voodoo. We should be very disappointed. Take away the blowout over 'nova and this team has not exactly been a juggernaut. We barely squeaked by Marquette at home and we have had very little success against Marquette on the road. While we are all pretty optimistic, and hope that the team is ready to go on an extended run, an objective look (as well as Vegas) suggests that a win is not exactly guaranteed.
Yes. This. It is called being realistic. Being unrealistic leads to people thinking our coach should be fired because we lost to Providence on the road. The fact is there are probably only 10 teams in CBB that win a majority of their games on the road. I'm optimistic that we can win, but I'm still not seeing a credible argument for why it would be a bad loss.
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 24, 2015 10:47:41 GMT -5
Take away the blowout over 'nova and this team has not exactly been a juggernaut. We barely squeaked by Marquette at home and we have had very little success against Marquette on the road. While we are all pretty optimistic, and hope that the team is ready to go on an extended run, an objective look (as well as Vegas) suggests that a win is not exactly guaranteed.
Yes. This. It is called being realistic. Being unrealistic leads to people thinking our coach should be fired because we lost to Providence on the road. The fact is there are probably only 10 teams in CBB that win a majority of their games on the road. I'm optimistic that we can win, but I'm still not seeing a credible argument for why it would be a bad loss. Right. On the contrary, every road win in this league is to be savored as a big one. Another opportunity today.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 24, 2015 10:59:47 GMT -5
I said before Butler game that a win would generate enough mojo to carry us over Nova. Feel the same way about this game. A win creates enough mojo to carry us over next 3 games. But you know, maybe a win here just shows that we have developed into a very good Team? I know such thoughts are frowned upon in this forum and many of us fear a revert to 2014 form, but let's just savor this thought for a while. We may just be the most talented, best coached team in the BE. There I said it!
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