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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 14, 2015 12:27:13 GMT -5
I think there is probably an expectations happy medium here somewhere...
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Post by TC on Jan 14, 2015 12:59:55 GMT -5
So don't hold us at the standard of Louisville, Kentucky, Uconn, Kansas, Duke, UNC. Even if we had a history of producing NBA hall of famers and have been to Final Four a few times that could sway our perception to make us think like, "I think Hoyas can do better than getting bounced out on the first weekend of the tourney continuously for close to a decade," it will get shot down by many here and by the university, who believe that basketball is merely a small addition to a prestigious university with great academic program. It will get shot down because the tournament is a crapshoot and a ridiculous way to judge coaching results and people who judge coaches solely on tournament success aren't really fans of college basketball. They are bandwagon fans of the tournament. JT3's teams have overachieved in the regular season consistently to get us to the position where they have a good seed. Other than 2008-2009, I can't point to a season where any of his teams have underachieved given the roster he's had to work with. The fact that we annually have this conversation on whether his job is secure is ridiculous and proof of how quickly people forget their own history. Before JT3 was hired, we were having discussions of whether Georgetown's program was the next Holy Cross - historically good program which crumbled and disappeared.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 14, 2015 14:25:24 GMT -5
NO AND LEAVE THIS CRAP ALONE SMH!!! THE ONLY HOT SEAT IS YOURS!!!!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 14, 2015 15:59:51 GMT -5
To go back to the topic, the conclusion is simple: No, JT3's seat will never get warm even if we miss the NCAA tourney this year. Matter of fact, even if we miss the NCAA tourney next 10 years, nothing will happen because the perception of many on this board and the university is that Hoyas would not have been at this position at the first place if it not for Pops. So unless JT3 runs over Pops' dog and Pop calls out for his son's head, which probably won't even happen at the expense of his dog, the answer is no. So don't hold us at the standard of Louisville, Kentucky, Uconn, Kansas, Duke, UNC. Even if we had a history of producing NBA hall of famers and have been to Final Four a few times that could sway our perception to make us think like, "I think Hoyas can do better than getting bounced out on the first weekend of the tourney continuously for close to a decade," it will get shot down by many here and by the university, who believe that basketball is merely a small addition to a prestigious university with great academic program. If you get angry by this reality, you can simply stop following this program like some of the posters have done here, or learn to accept this, which I guess may reduce your Hoya Grey Pride. Or there is always the option of not getting "angry" about college basketball results. We are all frustrated and disappointed about the recent string of NCAA tourney results. We all want more, even expect more. But anger? If the fact that we are not Kansas or Duke or Kentucky - that we are probably in the top 10% of college programs, but not the top 2% - is that painful, well that seems unfortunate.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 14, 2015 16:04:51 GMT -5
How dare you inject perspective into this discussion?
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 14, 2015 16:05:22 GMT -5
But if we can't get angry about college basketball results, what will become of HoyaTalk? Can we start exchanging recipes?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 14, 2015 16:25:29 GMT -5
How dare you inject perspective into this discussion? Momentarily lost my mind and forgot where I was?
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 14, 2015 20:00:53 GMT -5
But if we can't get angry about college basketball results, what will become of HoyaTalk? Can we start exchanging recipes? As long as it doesn't devolve into taking pictures of our lunch, I'll be happy
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Post by tashoya on Jan 14, 2015 21:52:53 GMT -5
But if we can't get angry about college basketball results, what will become of HoyaTalk? Can we start exchanging recipes? I'm in nj. Seriously, try this one: Char Siu Pork Adapted from Into the Vietnamese Kitchen: Treasured Foodways, Modern Flavors By Andrea Nguyen INGREDIENTS: 2 lbs. pork tenderloin, trimmed 3 cloves garlic, minced 1/2 tsp Chinese five-spice powder 3 tbsp hoisin 2 tbsp honey 1 1/2 tsp Shaoxing rice wine (can substitute dry sherry) 2 tbsp light soy sauce 1 tbsp tamari dark (black) soy sauce 2 tsp sesame oil Whisk together garlic, sugar, five-spice, hoisin, honey, rice wine, soy sauce, and sesame oil in a medium bowl. Pour marinade into a resealable plastic bag. Add pork tenderloin to bag, seal bag, and massage the meat to coat it evenly in the marinade. Place plastic bag inside a glass baking dish (so that you don't risk the bag springing a leak and leaking nasty, sticky pork juices all over the fridge) to marinate in the refrigerator. Marinate for 6-8 hours, turning pork over 2 or 3 times to ensure even marinating. Remove pork from refrigerator 45 minutes before cooking. Allow meat to come up to room temperature. Preheat oven to 475 degrees F. Place pork tenderloin in roasting pan (on rack in the top third of the oven), or in rimmed baking sheet lined with aluminum foil. Reserve marinade. Roast for approximately 30-35 minutes, basting with reserved marinade every approximately 10 minutes, using tongs to turn the meat while basting so that it is evenly basted and browned. Pork is done when an instant-read thermometer reads 150 degrees F. Remove pork from oven, and allow to rest on a cutting board for 10 minutes. Thinly slice pork and serve over rice or as part of a noodle dish. Edit: use trimmed pork shoulder or Boston butt (not a picnic shoulder). Turns out noticeably better.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Jan 14, 2015 21:54:12 GMT -5
Pretty sure anger, frustration, and disappointment fuel 80% of these threads
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Post by tashoya on Jan 14, 2015 21:54:35 GMT -5
To go back to the topic, the conclusion is simple: No, JT3's seat will never get warm even if we miss the NCAA tourney this year. Matter of fact, even if we miss the NCAA tourney next 10 years, nothing will happen because the perception of many on this board and the university is that Hoyas would not have been at this position at the first place if it not for Pops. So unless JT3 runs over Pops' dog and Pop calls out for his son's head, which probably won't even happen at the expense of his dog, the answer is no. So don't hold us at the standard of Louisville, Kentucky, Uconn, Kansas, Duke, UNC. Even if we had a history of producing NBA hall of famers and have been to Final Four a few times that could sway our perception to make us think like, "I think Hoyas can do better than getting bounced out on the first weekend of the tourney continuously for close to a decade," it will get shot down by many here and by the university, who believe that basketball is merely a small addition to a prestigious university with great academic program. If you get angry by this reality, you can simply stop following this program like some of the posters have done here, or learn to accept this, which I guess may reduce your Hoya Grey Pride. Or there is always the option of not getting "angry" about college basketball results. We are all frustrated and disappointed about the recent string of NCAA tourney results. We all want more, even expect more. But anger? If the fact that we are not Kansas or Duke or Kentucky - that we are probably in the top 10% of college programs, but not the top 2% - is that painful, well that seems unfortunate. Thank you, Mr. Miyagi.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Jan 14, 2015 22:02:12 GMT -5
To go back to the topic, the conclusion is simple: No, JT3's seat will never get warm even if we miss the NCAA tourney this year. Matter of fact, even if we miss the NCAA tourney next 10 years, nothing will happen because the perception of many on this board and the university is that Hoyas would not have been at this position at the first place if it not for Pops. So unless JT3 runs over Pops' dog and Pop calls out for his son's head, which probably won't even happen at the expense of his dog, the answer is no. So don't hold us at the standard of Louisville, Kentucky, Uconn, Kansas, Duke, UNC. Even if we had a history of producing NBA hall of famers and have been to Final Four a few times that could sway our perception to make us think like, "I think Hoyas can do better than getting bounced out on the first weekend of the tourney continuously for close to a decade," it will get shot down by many here and by the university, who believe that basketball is merely a small addition to a prestigious university with great academic program. If you get angry by this reality, you can simply stop following this program like some of the posters have done here, or learn to accept this, which I guess may reduce your Hoya Grey Pride. Or there is always the option of not getting "angry" about college basketball results. We are all frustrated and disappointed about the recent string of NCAA tourney results. We all want more, even expect more. But anger? If the fact that we are not Kansas or Duke or Kentucky - that we are probably in the top 10% of college programs, but not the top 2% - is that painful, well that seems unfortunate. or we can be happy that we have a bball team in D1 unlike many many other schools in this country! let's go back to the basics. although JT3 does not need any help or support from any of us, we will try helping his seat stays COOOOOOOOOOOL by appreciating all the losses in the post-season dear anger, frustration, and disappointment - please step aside, you have no place here on hoyatalk.
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 14, 2015 22:03:36 GMT -5
But if we can't get angry about college basketball results, what will become of HoyaTalk? Can we start exchanging recipes? I'm in nj. Seriously, try this one: Char Siu Pork Adapted from Into the Vietnamese Kitchen: Treasured Foodways, Modern Flavors By Andrea Nguyen INGREDIENTS: 2 lbs. pork tenderloin, trimmed 3 cloves garlic, minced 1/2 tsp Chinese five-spice powder 3 tbsp hoisin 2 tbsp honey 1 1/2 tsp Shaoxing rice wine (can substitute dry sherry) 2 tbsp light soy sauce 1 tbsp tamari dark (black) soy sauce 2 tsp sesame oil Whisk together garlic, sugar, five-spice, hoisin, honey, rice wine, soy sauce, and sesame oil in a medium bowl. Pour marinade into a resealable plastic bag. Add pork tenderloin to bag, seal bag, and massage the meat to coat it evenly in the marinade. Place plastic bag inside a glass baking dish (so that you don't risk the bag springing a leak and leaking nasty, sticky pork juices all over the fridge) to marinate in the refrigerator. Marinate for 6-8 hours, turning pork over 2 or 3 times to ensure even marinating. Remove pork from refrigerator 45 minutes before cooking. Allow meat to come up to room temperature. Preheat oven to 475 degrees F. Place pork tenderloin in roasting pan (on rack in the top third of the oven), or in rimmed baking sheet lined with aluminum foil. Reserve marinade. Roast for approximately 30-35 minutes, basting with reserved marinade every approximately 10 minutes, using tongs to turn the meat while basting so that it is evenly basted and browned. Pork is done when an instant-read thermometer reads 150 degrees F. Remove pork from oven, and allow to rest on a cutting board for 10 minutes. Thinly slice pork and serve over rice or as part of a noodle dish. Edit: use trimmed pork shoulder or Boston butt (not a picnic shoulder). Turns out noticeably better. I'll give it a try! Thanks!
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Post by tashoya on Jan 14, 2015 22:09:04 GMT -5
NJ, just because of the raw marinade factor, I always make about 1/2 more of the marinade and reserve it separately and discard the marinade and use the reserve for basting. Just a precaution that likely isn't necessary but I do it anyway.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 14, 2015 23:26:16 GMT -5
Or there is always the option of not getting "angry" about college basketball results. We are all frustrated and disappointed about the recent string of NCAA tourney results. We all want more, even expect more. But anger? If the fact that we are not Kansas or Duke or Kentucky - that we are probably in the top 10% of college programs, but not the top 2% - is that painful, well that seems unfortunate. or we can be happy that we have a bball team in D1 unlike many many other schools in this country! let's go back to the basics. although JT3 does not need any help or support from any of us, we will try helping his seat stays COOOOOOOOOOOL by appreciating all the losses in the post-season dear anger, frustration, and disappointment - please step aside, you have no place here on hoyatalk. In my opinion, frustration and even disappointment are different animals than anger. Maybe just semantics, but . . . And having a consistently top 30 program is not just "having a team in D1". Your hyperbole does not help your argument. Should we ignore the NCAAT failures the last few years? Absolutely not. But nor can we ignore the regular season/BET successes. None of us are happy with Ohio/FGCU etc. But if you can't appreciate a program that is most often top 10-12, although not top 2 or 3 - well that is up to you, you have that right of course. But please don't try to tell us how we are required to feel about the Hoyas, or that our "Hoya pride" has to be diminished because you say so.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Jan 15, 2015 0:40:24 GMT -5
or we can be happy that we have a bball team in D1 unlike many many other schools in this country! let's go back to the basics. although JT3 does not need any help or support from any of us, we will try helping his seat stays COOOOOOOOOOOL by appreciating all the losses in the post-season dear anger, frustration, and disappointment - please step aside, you have no place here on hoyatalk. In my opinion, frustration and even disappointment are different animals than anger. Maybe just semantics, but . . . And having a consistently top 30 program is not just "having a team in D1". Your hyperbole does not help your argument. Should we ignore the NCAAT failures the last few years? Absolutely not. But nor can we ignore the regular season/BET successes. None of us are happy with Ohio/FGCU etc. But if you can't appreciate a program that is most often top 10-12, although not top 2 or 3 - well that is up to you, you have that right of course. But please don't try to tell us how we are required to feel about the Hoyas, or that our "Hoya pride" has to be diminished because you say so. never said it was required - as a matter of fact, if you don't feel disappointed or frustrated by the results recently, you could have completely ignored my last sentence. for you to come back here to discredit any of what i said shows me further how mad you are at the current state, and i feel nothing but sorry for you. never did i say i don't appreciate the program. as i have said, i am thankful that we have a program in one of the big conferences. can we do better than the last 8 yrs or so? absolutely. are we seeing any pressure or changes toward the improvement? absolutely not. reason why threads like this emerges continuously is that the program is still stuck in the limbo, and many people here are not seeing any changes in the program for improvement. and the main reason is JT3, even if he has done a lot and continues to try to do so.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Jan 15, 2015 0:43:42 GMT -5
So don't hold us at the standard of Louisville, Kentucky, Uconn, Kansas, Duke, UNC. Even if we had a history of producing NBA hall of famers and have been to Final Four a few times that could sway our perception to make us think like, "I think Hoyas can do better than getting bounced out on the first weekend of the tourney continuously for close to a decade," it will get shot down by many here and by the university, who believe that basketball is merely a small addition to a prestigious university with great academic program. It will get shot down because the tournament is a crapshoot and a ridiculous way to judge coaching results and people who judge coaches solely on tournament success aren't really fans of college basketball. They are bandwagon fans of the tournament. I LOLed at this. are you being serious?
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 15, 2015 7:57:43 GMT -5
I'm in nj. Seriously, try this one: Char Siu Pork Adapted from Into the Vietnamese Kitchen: Treasured Foodways, Modern Flavors By Andrea Nguyen INGREDIENTS: 2 lbs. pork tenderloin, trimmed 3 cloves garlic, minced 1/2 tsp Chinese five-spice powder 3 tbsp hoisin 2 tbsp honey 1 1/2 tsp Shaoxing rice wine (can substitute dry sherry) 2 tbsp light soy sauce 1 tbsp tamari dark (black) soy sauce 2 tsp sesame oil Whisk together garlic, sugar, five-spice, hoisin, honey, rice wine, soy sauce, and sesame oil in a medium bowl. Pour marinade into a resealable plastic bag. Add pork tenderloin to bag, seal bag, and massage the meat to coat it evenly in the marinade. Place plastic bag inside a glass baking dish (so that you don't risk the bag springing a leak and leaking nasty, sticky pork juices all over the fridge) to marinate in the refrigerator. Marinate for 6-8 hours, turning pork over 2 or 3 times to ensure even marinating. Remove pork from refrigerator 45 minutes before cooking. Allow meat to come up to room temperature. Preheat oven to 475 degrees F. Place pork tenderloin in roasting pan (on rack in the top third of the oven), or in rimmed baking sheet lined with aluminum foil. Reserve marinade. Roast for approximately 30-35 minutes, basting with reserved marinade every approximately 10 minutes, using tongs to turn the meat while basting so that it is evenly basted and browned. Pork is done when an instant-read thermometer reads 150 degrees F. Remove pork from oven, and allow to rest on a cutting board for 10 minutes. Thinly slice pork and serve over rice or as part of a noodle dish. Edit: use trimmed pork shoulder or Boston butt (not a picnic shoulder). Turns out noticeably better. I'll give it a try! Thanks! So will I. It does sound good.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 15, 2015 8:00:14 GMT -5
In my opinion, frustration and even disappointment are different animals than anger. Maybe just semantics, but . . . And having a consistently top 30 program is not just "having a team in D1". Your hyperbole does not help your argument. Should we ignore the NCAAT failures the last few years? Absolutely not. But nor can we ignore the regular season/BET successes. None of us are happy with Ohio/FGCU etc. But if you can't appreciate a program that is most often top 10-12, although not top 2 or 3 - well that is up to you, you have that right of course. But please don't try to tell us how we are required to feel about the Hoyas, or that our "Hoya pride" has to be diminished because you say so. never said it was required - as a matter of fact, if you don't feel disappointed or frustrated by the results recently, you could have completely ignored my last sentence. for you to come back here to discredit any of what i said shows me further how mad you are at the current state, and i feel nothing but sorry for you. never did i say i don't appreciate the program. as i have said, i am thankful that we have a program in one of the big conferences. can we do better than the last 8 yrs or so? absolutely. are we seeing any pressure or changes toward the improvement? absolutely not. reason why threads like this emerges continuously is that the program is still stuck in the limbo, and many people here are not seeing any changes in the program for improvement. and the main reason is JT3, even if he has done a lot and continues to try to do so. I'm truly glad I don't live my life always seeing the glass as half empty...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 15, 2015 8:02:54 GMT -5
In my opinion, frustration and even disappointment are different animals than anger. Maybe just semantics, but . . . And having a consistently top 30 program is not just "having a team in D1". Your hyperbole does not help your argument. Should we ignore the NCAAT failures the last few years? Absolutely not. But nor can we ignore the regular season/BET successes. None of us are happy with Ohio/FGCU etc. But if you can't appreciate a program that is most often top 10-12, although not top 2 or 3 - well that is up to you, you have that right of course. But please don't try to tell us how we are required to feel about the Hoyas, or that our "Hoya pride" has to be diminished because you say so. never said it was required - as a matter of fact, if you don't feel disappointed or frustrated by the results recently, you could have completely ignored my last sentence. for you to come back here to discredit any of what i said shows me further how mad you are at the current state, and i feel nothing but sorry for you. never did i say i don't appreciate the program. as i have said, i am thankful that we have a program in one of the big conferences. can we do better than the last 8 yrs or so? absolutely. are we seeing any pressure or changes toward the improvement? absolutely not. reason why threads like this emerges continuously is that the program is still stuck in the limbo, and many people here are not seeing any changes in the program for improvement. and the main reason is JT3, even if he has done a lot and continues to try to do so. Well, you said that if one gets angered by the reality of our recent tourney failures- which you clearly are, and suggest we all should be - you can either stop following the program, or accept the reality and have our Hoya Pride diminished. So you kinda did tell us how we are supposed to feel. And trying to claim that by responding to you I am somehow showing how angry I am with the program? Wow, now that is a desperate attempt to use circular logic to support your opinion! Please do not feel any need to feel sorry for me; I would like very much to see tourney success, but I have enough perspective not to harbor anger and bitterness about it, as you obviously do. Hopefully the recent recruiting improvements will help ease your pain.
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