SaxaCD
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 16, 2015 22:48:07 GMT -5
After all the let downs his teams have had in the NCAA tourney yes his seat should be real hot.Lets be honest if this happened to any other team then their coachs would have been on their way out.Yes JT3 teams have great regular season records but playing great in the regular season doesn't win you national titles.Its time to realize that maybe JT3 may not can get it done for us.Yes I know many posters on here don't want to read this but its facts guys.I love my Hoyas as much as you all do and frankly I am tired of watching good teams lose in the 1st and 2nd rds every year. 32 guys on the hot seat this year after Friday night!
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 16, 2015 22:52:25 GMT -5
After all the let downs his teams have had in the NCAA tourney yes his seat should be real hot.Lets be honest if this happened to any other team then their coachs would have been on their way out.Yes JT3 teams have great regular season records but playing great in the regular season doesn't win you national titles.Its time to realize that maybe JT3 may not can get it done for us.Yes I know many posters on here don't want to read this but its facts guys.I love my Hoyas as much as you all do and frankly I am tired of watching good teams lose in the 1st and 2nd rds every year. Every team but one loses in the NCAAs. Unfortunately people focus on W-L and not how they were achieved. All of us are tired of watching good teams losing but its not like they've lost the same way every year. It's not JT3 getting a T to give them free points or not using a TO so we miss a last second shot. IF we lose in the first round again this year, we will have 7 months to discuss it, until then, lets stay positive.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 16, 2015 22:57:15 GMT -5
After all the let downs his teams have had in the NCAA tourney yes his seat should be real hot.Lets be honest if this happened to any other team then their coachs would have been on their way out. That's not factually true at all. This is factually true on both points. This is barely English, but no matter how you interpret, it isn't factual. You seem to not understand the definition of "fact".
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kchoya
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Post by kchoya on Mar 16, 2015 23:16:19 GMT -5
Yes I know many posters on here don't want to read this but its facts guys. You seem to not understand the definition of "fact".
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WVHoyasfan
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Post by WVHoyasfan on Mar 16, 2015 23:33:37 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong I want nothing more than to see our Hoyas make a huge statment this year and get this bad tourney run behind us.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Mar 16, 2015 23:35:12 GMT -5
Hoyatalk is already in peak offseason form and it's only March. I hope we don't fall off and crash and burn in August because my expectations are being set ridiculously high.
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Post by miracles87 on Mar 16, 2015 23:50:05 GMT -5
After all the let downs his teams have had in the NCAA tourney yes his seat should be real hot.Lets be honest if this happened to any other team then their coachs would have been on their way out.Yes JT3 teams have great regular season records but playing great in the regular season doesn't win you national titles.Its time to realize that maybe JT3 may not can get it done for us.Yes I know many posters on here don't want to read this but its facts guys.I love my Hoyas as much as you all do and frankly I am tired of watching good teams lose in the 1st and 2nd rds every year. This post has me doubting the sincerity of your apology thread.
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Post by WVHoyasfan on Mar 16, 2015 23:59:47 GMT -5
After all the let downs his teams have had in the NCAA tourney yes his seat should be real hot.Lets be honest if this happened to any other team then their coachs would have been on their way out.Yes JT3 teams have great regular season records but playing great in the regular season doesn't win you national titles.Its time to realize that maybe JT3 may not can get it done for us.Yes I know many posters on here don't want to read this but its facts guys.I love my Hoyas as much as you all do and frankly I am tired of watching good teams lose in the 1st and 2nd rds every year. This post has me doubting the sincerity of your apology thread. This should have nothing to do with my Apology b/c that really come from my heart man.It takes a big man to apologize and thats exactly what I did.Just b/c I feel that Gtown should start thinking bout how far they should go with JT3 if the tourney jinx continues doesn't mean im a bad guy or hate JT3.
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Post by vv83 on Mar 17, 2015 6:13:42 GMT -5
After all the let downs his teams have had in the NCAA tourney yes his seat should be real hot.Lets be honest if this happened to any other team then their coachs would have been on their way out.Yes JT3 teams have great regular season records but playing great in the regular season doesn't win you national titles.Its time to realize that maybe JT3 may not can get it done for us.Yes I know many posters on here don't want to read this but its facts guys.I love my Hoyas as much as you all do and frankly I am tired of watching good teams lose in the 1st and 2nd rds every year. Would you rather see mediocre (or worse) teams playing in the NIT (or with no post season bid at all) almost every year? Because that is what you would most likely get if we replaced JTIII with any of the coaches we could convince to come to Georgetown to replace him.
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CTHoya08
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 17, 2015 7:07:32 GMT -5
Lets be honest if this happened to any other team then their coachs would have been on their way out. Jay Wright and Mike Brey haven't lost their jobs yet. Neither has Kevin Stallings. And that's just quickly naming a few coaches without doing any research.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 17, 2015 7:32:27 GMT -5
Would you rather see mediocre (or worse) teams playing in the NIT (or with no post season bid at all) almost every year? Because that is what you would most likely get if we replaced JTIII with any of the coaches we could convince to come to Georgetown to replace him. That's a strange argument--at a salary of $2.8 million a year and a the 10th largest basketball budget in Division I, Georgetown is such a difficult place to recruit that no one can win there? This isn't Georgetown football we're talking about. www.bbstate.com/info/teams-hoopsbudgetCoach Thompson has a solid foundation at Georgetown because, like all the other GU coaches, post-season performance is not a driver of job security. If it were, 23 or 24 head coaches would be out the door and that's not what the program is about.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 17, 2015 7:56:27 GMT -5
No his seat is not hot but yes, we need some W's this year in tourney.
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Post by longtimesaxa on Mar 17, 2015 8:22:54 GMT -5
Very surprised to see Marquette as #6 in basketball expenses.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 17, 2015 8:46:53 GMT -5
I have no idea what will happen this week, but I think it's noteworthy that in 11 seasons under JTIII, Georgetown has made the NCAA tournament 9 times. 6 of those 9 times Georgetown has been a 4 seed or better. Regardless of the outcomes in the tournament, that's an excellent record of success. It would have been unthinkable in 2004 when Esherick left the program. Hopefully, this is the year where that carries over into winning tournament games. So what you're really saying is... his seat should be warm if we lose on Thursday? I can read between the lines. Actually, that's not what I'm saying at all. If you've read my other posts on this thread and the board generally, you will see that I am a huge defender of JT3. Even if we lose on Thursday, I still think JT3 is clearly the best man to lead our program. His record has been extremely impressive and I don't think we would get a coach that was nearly as good. The reason I made my original post was to point out something positive about our coach that will clearly get lost in the hysteria that could follow if we did lose on Thursday.
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Post by miamihoya on Mar 17, 2015 9:31:04 GMT -5
Lets be honest if this happened to any other team then their coachs would have been on their way out. Jay Wright and Mike Brey haven't lost their jobs yet. Neither has Kevin Stallings. And that's just quickly naming a few coaches without doing any research. Jamie Dixon, Bill Self pre-2008, Rick Barnes(for now), Mark Few
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 17, 2015 9:49:23 GMT -5
No his seat is not hot but yes, we need some W's this year in tourney. "Some W's"? So one would not be enough? With a team that did not even make the tourney, and relies fairly significantly on 4 freshmen? We will all be extremely disappointed if we can't get the win Thursday, but a subsequent loss to a #5 seed would not really be a big negative IMO, especially playing a western team in a western city.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 17, 2015 10:21:30 GMT -5
So what you're really saying is... his seat should be warm if we lose on Thursday? I can read between the lines. Actually, that's not what I'm saying at all. If you've read my other posts on this thread and the board generally, you will see that I am a huge defender of JT3. Even if we lose on Thursday, I still think JT3 is clearly the best man to lead our program. His record has been extremely impressive and I don't think we would get a coach that was nearly as good. The reason I made my original post was to point out something positive about our coach that will clearly get lost in the hysteria that could follow if we did lose on Thursday. I was being sarcastic.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 17, 2015 10:43:12 GMT -5
We have had this discussion for years. I'm afraid some of us (all loyal Hoya fans) forget how ridiculously impossible it is for a small, private school like ours to get to the final four and actually win a national championship. Since Nova beat us in '85 no such school not named Duke has won a national championship. And since I don't have the time to actually look this up (but I'm sure someone will) of the 120 teams to make the final four over those years I would bet not more than 15-20% (other than Duke) were small, private schools. And remember what we are working with. High academic standards, no on-campus arena, no elaborate athletes living facilities, and generally a student and alumni base (present company excluded) that doesn't live and die for their sports teams. We are damn lucky to have as successful and clean program as we have. So yes, we should probably have won more of our first round games and the losses still hurt but let's not lose sight of the forest for the trees. JT 3 revitalized a moribund program and kept us competitive in a very tough environment. He and his teams have given us some great victories and plenty of enjoyable moments, e.g. Seton Hall last week.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 17, 2015 10:49:45 GMT -5
Very surprised to see Marquette as #6 in basketball expenses. You shouldn't be. DFW always posts that without context but there's a huge flaw in the "expenses" ranking -- teams that pay rent have that huge expense in their budget. Teams that pay for a $60M stadium rarely have the capital depreciation directly allocated to the men's basketball budget as the venue is used across sports and usually left at the total Athletic Dept level or even university level (if it's a convocation center as well).
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 17, 2015 11:05:11 GMT -5
DFW always posts that without context but there's a huge flaw in the "expenses" ranking -- teams that pay rent have that huge expense in their budget. Teams that pay for a $60M stadium rarely have the capital depreciation directly allocated to the men's basketball budget as the venue is used across sports and usually left at the total Athletic Dept level or even university level (if it's a convocation center as well). Except Marquette doesn't have a big arena bill. In fact, it's a small fraction of what Georgetown pays. www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/stories/2006/10/23/daily39.html
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