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Post by professorhoya on Apr 2, 2015 21:56:55 GMT -5
So we should still go after VCU for Big East expansion right?
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 2, 2015 22:01:03 GMT -5
I guess we'll now see what VCU looks like in the post-Shaka Smart Era. One way or another, the validity of the "VCU belongs in the Big East" hypothesis will finally be tested.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 2, 2015 22:09:56 GMT -5
So we should still go after VCU for Big East expansion right? Yup
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Post by boxout05 on Apr 2, 2015 22:59:18 GMT -5
Guess we're putting VCU's invite on hold. I was ready to extend an offer even though Smart was a flight risk. Maybe that's shortsighted, but I though a few years with him could build momentum. It's not like the perfect prospect exists and it's not like UCONN arrived overnight, took a great coach and the best conference in CBB for them to grow. Maybe VCU could take similar steps.
Without Smart that momentum is gone. No rush to add them, or really anyone until the Football dominos fall.
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 2, 2015 23:29:41 GMT -5
Guess we're putting VCU's invite on hold. I was ready to extend an offer even though Smart was a flight risk. Maybe that's shortsighted, but I though a few years with him could build momentum. It's not like the perfect prospect exists and it's not like UCONN arrived overnight, took a great coach and the best conference in CBB for them to grow. Maybe VCU could take similar steps. Without Smart that momentum is gone. No rush to add them, or really anyone until the Football dominos fall. UConn became UConn due to Calhoun, sure, but also due to the fact it was in best conference in CBB whose biggest cheerleader was an emerging media giant that happened to be headquartered just a few miles down the road from UConn.
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Post by boxout05 on Apr 3, 2015 0:46:00 GMT -5
Exactly. Instead of ESPN, now we have Fox backing us. And Richmond may not be down the road from the FS1 studios, but these networks would pimp programming from a floating like of garbage in the Pacific if there was money in it.
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Post by thebin on Apr 3, 2015 11:01:26 GMT -5
For the love of Pete invite Gonzaga for hoops only. They are a blue blood program. One west coast trip for the bball teams only is nothing.
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 3, 2015 11:17:08 GMT -5
For the love of Pete invite Gonzaga for hoops only. They are a blue blood program. One west coast trip for the bball teams only is nothing. Ummm...not saying I wouldn't love it and you are right about us only having to make one West Coast trip, but wouldn't Gonzaga have to make more than just one East Coast trip?
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Apr 3, 2015 11:37:25 GMT -5
The biggest issue with Gonzaga was the travel for the NON-revenue sports. They were heavily considered and from all accounts would have jumped at the opportunity
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Post by dense on Apr 3, 2015 13:03:59 GMT -5
For the love of Pete invite Gonzaga for hoops only. They are a blue blood program. One west coast trip for the bball teams only is nothing. 9 east coast trips for Gonzaga is nothing too I assume.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 3, 2015 13:25:34 GMT -5
For the love of Pete invite Gonzaga for hoops only. They are a blue blood program. One west coast trip for the bball teams only is nothing. 9 east coast trips for Gonzaga is nothing too I assume. That could be cut to 4 if they play two games on each East Coast Trip. (Fri/Sun game etc).
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Post by hoyabinx on Apr 3, 2015 13:48:24 GMT -5
The biggest issue with Gonzaga was the travel for the NON-revenue sports. They were heavily considered and from all accounts would have jumped at the opportunity Exactly. People either don't know, or conveniently forget, that the NCAA prohibits teams from placing their basketball programs in different conferences than their other sports. The only sport a school can park elsewhere is football (unless their current conference does not have enough teams in a sport to support that sport). Gonzaga sending their other sports east is the problem, not sending their basketball teams east. That said, I'd LOVE to have Gonzaga.
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Post by pahoyafan1 on Apr 4, 2015 7:09:27 GMT -5
I can't see Gonzaga joining unless the Big East jumped to 16 teams with two divisions (8 Chicago area and west in one division and 8 eastern based teams in the other). Logistically this would be the only way but I don't see the conference expanding that much anytime soon plus most of the expansion would be out west to pair with Creighton, Marquette, DePaul, Butler. Maybe Zags, Wichita State and 2 others. Is the conference looking to expand or is this just speculation on who we would like to see? I would like UConn, would be great for BE Tourney
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Post by matersammich on Apr 4, 2015 7:58:05 GMT -5
I can't see Gonzaga joining unless the Big East jumped to 16 teams with two divisions (8 Chicago area and west in one division and 8 eastern based teams in the other). Logistically this would be the only way but I don't see the conference expanding that much anytime soon plus most of the expansion would be out west to pair with Creighton, Marquette, DePaul, Butler. Maybe Zags, Wichita State and 2 others. Is the conference looking to expand or is this just speculation on who we would like to see? I would like UConn, would be great for BE Tourney I agree that Gonzaga won't work well unless we go to a mega conference style east/west split.
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 4, 2015 12:31:05 GMT -5
How do you add six teams (in order to include Gonzaga and, arguably, Wichita State), to get to a sixteen team, two division setup for the Big East, when we on HoyaTalk can't come up with a consensus on adding just two schools without diluting the "brand," such as it is? Which other four schools are you considering? Right now, Saint Louis University brings only a big city. . .not a consistently good basketball program. VCU is a major question mark, now that Shaka Smart has stopped flirting with every major program looking for a new coach. Memphis? Football program. . .and what happens there when Pastner leaves? Dayton? How about Missouri-Kansas City and Wyoming, to give the Zags shorter trips?
I believe that expansion to sixteen teams, just for the sake of making Gonzaga's travel requirements less burdensome, actually makes the Big East look far more like a mid-major conference, because of the depths to which the Big East will need to dip in order to add five teams plus Gonzaga. I'd love to move Gonzaga 1500 miles east. . .unfortunately, I don't think it works, logistically, for Gonzaga to join the conference, no matter what tortured devices are employed to justify the Zags' inclusion.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 4, 2015 12:54:23 GMT -5
Aim higher.
Eastern Division Connecticut Georgetown Providence St. John's Seton Hall Villanova
Western Division Butler Creighton DePaul Marquette Memphis Xavier
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2015 13:15:55 GMT -5
Aim higher. Eastern DivisionConnecticutGeorgetown Providence St. John's Seton Hall Villanova Western DivisionButler Creighton DePaul Marquette MemphisXavier I don't want to mess with the 10-team, round robin thing we've got going now. But if things need to change down the line -- this is what I want. It's almost perfect.
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Post by kghoya on Apr 4, 2015 15:25:38 GMT -5
Yeah I think exapansion of the big east is dependent on certain schools deciding that big time football isn't for them.
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Post by Elvado on Apr 4, 2015 17:08:47 GMT -5
Aim higher. Eastern DivisionConnecticutGeorgetown Providence St. John's Seton Hall Villanova Western DivisionButler Creighton DePaul Marquette MemphisXavier Seldom wrong and right again DFW. As soon as UCONN and Memphis realize their football programs are the tail of the dog (and Tiger) this could work quite well. The stink of Calipari is almost off Memphis and Fagan's aroma is fading as well.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 5, 2015 1:09:42 GMT -5
Aim higher. Eastern DivisionConnecticutGeorgetown Providence St. John's Seton Hall Villanova Western DivisionButler Creighton DePaul Marquette MemphisXavier Seldom wrong and right again DFW. As soon as UCONN and Memphis realize their football programs are the tail of the dog (and Tiger) this could work quite well. The stink of Calipari is almost off Memphis and Fagan's aroma is fading as well. Rentschler Field would be a pretty big white elephant. I can't imagine those in power in Connecticut would want to see it used for FCS football.
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