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Post by sleepy on Apr 5, 2015 7:56:45 GMT -5
Seldom wrong and right again DFW. As soon as UCONN and Memphis realize their football programs are the tail of the dog (and Tiger) this could work quite well. The stink of Calipari is almost off Memphis and Fagan's aroma is fading as well. Rentschler Field would be a pretty big white elephant. I can't imagine those in power in Connecticut would want to see it used for FCS football. At this point, the whole program is a pretty big white elephant. They are banking on being picked up by the Big 10 or ACC in the next 5-10 years and the Big 5 pulling away in all sports in the samish time period. Neither really seem like likely scenarios, and they are risking the basketball programs on it. Seems incredibly reactive and dumb.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 5, 2015 11:34:52 GMT -5
Seldom wrong and right again DFW. As soon as UCONN and Memphis realize their football programs are the tail of the dog (and Tiger) this could work quite well. The stink of Calipari is almost off Memphis and Fagan's aroma is fading as well. Rentschler Field would be a pretty big white elephant. I can't imagine those in power in Connecticut would want to see it used for FCS football. Would they draw that much worse in FCS against UMass, URI, etc. than they do in the AAC against those powerhouses?
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 5, 2015 13:51:21 GMT -5
Did a little research. The lease agreement between the State of Connecticut (which owns the stadium) and UConn provides that the university is committed to renting Rentschler Field for a minimum of ten events per year, at a cost of $170,000.00 per event (ergo, a minimum of $1.7 million to the state's coffers each year). UConn keeps the ticket revenue, and the state gets all revenues from parking and concessions.
Attendance at UConn football games has been dropping. In 2011, with a home schedule of Fordham, Iowa State, Western Michigan, South Florida, Syracuse, Louisville and Rutgers, UConn had a total attendance of 256,676, for an average of 36,668. In 2012 (the last Big East football season), with a home schedule of Massachusetts, North Carolina State, Buffalo, Temple, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati, UConn had a total attendance of 208,032, for an average of 34,672; a drop of 5.4% from the prior season's average attendance, In 2013 (the first AAC football season), with a home schedule of Towson, Maryland, Michigan, South Florida, Louisville, Rutgers and Memphis, UConn had a total attendance of 216,523, for an average of 30,932; a drop of 10.8% from the 2012 season, and a drop of 16.5% from the 2011 season. This past season, with a home schedule of Brigham Young, Stony Brook, Boise State, Temple, Central Florida, Cincinnati and Southern Methodist, UConn had a total attendance of 192,230, for an average of 27,461; a drop of 11.2% from the 2013 season, and a cumulative drop of 25.1% from the 2011 season. Irrespective of whether UConn is covering its per event overhead, the state's revenues from parking and concessions has to have taken a major hit over this period of time. The stadium appears to be rarely used otherwise, and is on its third management company since its opening.
The prospects for increased attendance for the 2015 football season are not promising: the home schedule consists of only six games so far. . .Villanova, Army, Navy, South Florida, East Carolina and Houston. Not exactly a pulse-shattering slate. An FCS schedule isn't going to bring in much lower revenues than the program is now facing. In fact, if the opponents were at least more local, fans of the opposing school might actually show up for games.
Hard to see how the state, which has been reporting multi-million losses on an annual basis due largely to depreciation, can keep this building open without finding an additional tenant along the way. A minor-league football team folded several years ago, and the infrequent soccer game or concert doesn't meet expenses frequently enough.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Apr 5, 2015 19:55:25 GMT -5
Couldn't they technically park football in the MAC or something? I don't think they'd even have to drop down the fbs. Regardless the move makes too much sense money wise/other. Just depends on when they finally see the writing on the wall that they won't be getting a power 5 invite. That's really all they are holding out hope for. I could be wrong, but seems to me majority of Uconn fans would welcome going back to the BE
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Post by concord on Apr 5, 2015 23:32:00 GMT -5
No doubt UConn would love back in the BE. Spent the holiday with some big UConn fans who bemoaned that the conference schedule was so lame this year. The problem is, they'd love to be in the ACC more and would gladly jump if they had the chance (say, slots open up via a SEC raid on UNC/UVA). Do we really want to get ditched again by a football school? Nay, let them downgrade football if they want to play us in hoops so bad.
To say that BCS football is irrelevant to the vast majority of New England sports fans is probably not strong enough. The whole UConn/UMass big time football quest has been utter folly from the beginning.
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Post by bluejayonhoyaforum on Sept 5, 2015 11:01:47 GMT -5
Let's take a Midwestern prespective for a second. Creighton is practically alone in Nebraska, with the nearest school (DePaul) playing 416 miles away. If the Big East goes for expansion, they need to consider getting Midwestern school the same amount as some of the Eastern schools. And there aren't bad teams in the Midwest that are available. Wichita St is half bad, and they have the best fan base left in the MVC, and they are the only team in the MVC without football. St. Louis is the same way, but isn't as good as often. Dayton, although not as far west as I would like, has a better program, but is already in a market. But, I understand the appeal for some of the other Eastern teams, even though I haven't been following the Big East as long as Georgetown fans. There are good expansion options available in the East. VCU has had recent success, and is massive in size, but from what I've seen on the forum aren't that big of a program. Richmond is the VCU counter-part, being a team meant to upset for years, but isn't always competitive. Temple is one of the best teams EVER in the win column, but could be stopped by their football dreams. The same is can be said for UCONN, who is historic good but are trying to build on football. All of the options are there, but none are going to work perfectly. We'll have to see what happens.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 5, 2015 11:29:21 GMT -5
Let's take a Midwestern prespective for a second. Creighton is practically alone in Nebraska, with the nearest school (DePaul) playing 416 miles away. If the Big East goes for expansion, they need to consider getting Midwestern school the same amount as some of the Eastern schools. And there aren't bad teams in the Midwest that are available. Wichita St is half bad, and they have the best fan base left in the MVC, and they are the only team in the MVC without football. St. Louis is the same way, but isn't as good as often. Dayton, although not as far west as I would like, has a better program, but is already in a market. But, I understand the appeal for some of the other Eastern teams, even though I haven't been following the Big East as long as Georgetown fans. There are good expansion options available in the East. VCU has had recent success, and is massive in size, but from what I've seen on the forum aren't that big of a program. Richmond is the VCU counter-part, being a team meant to upset for years, but isn't always competitive. Temple is one of the best teams EVER in the win column, but could be stopped by their football dreams. The same is can be said for UCONN, who is historic good but are trying to build on football. All of the options are there, but none are going to work perfectly. We'll have to see what happens. The premise for any expansion needs to start and end with benefit to the league. And the primary benefit that the league is going to be looking for is expansion of the television contract. That's just reality; it might not be ideal. A Wichita State program that has proven it will still be a Top 25 program in 10 years would be a benefit; but if you don't believe it, Fox isn't paying for the Wichita market. The same is true of Richmond. VCU was a hot name; with Shaka gone, the clamor to add them is as well. There are no slam dunk adds that immediately leads to Fox or another broadcasting partner being willing to pay more (or even keep up the price / game -- bring in the wrong team and we could get substantially less per program). UConn has the looming specter of leaving because of football. Gonzaga is too far away. Wichita State could be a pretty mediocre team in three years. Richmond or VCU add almost nothing. What would we get with Dayton since we have Xavier? And so on.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 5, 2015 12:06:04 GMT -5
Let's take a Midwestern prespective for a second. Creighton is practically alone in Nebraska, with the nearest school (DePaul) playing 416 miles away. If the Big East goes for expansion, they need to consider getting Midwestern school the same amount as some of the Eastern schools. And there aren't bad teams in the Midwest that are available. Wichita St is half bad, and they have the best fan base left in the MVC, and they are the only team in the MVC without football. St. Louis is the same way, but isn't as good as often. Dayton, although not as far west as I would like, has a better program, but is already in a market. But, I understand the appeal for some of the other Eastern teams, even though I haven't been following the Big East as long as Georgetown fans. There are good expansion options available in the East. VCU has had recent success, and is massive in size, but from what I've seen on the forum aren't that big of a program. Richmond is the VCU counter-part, being a team meant to upset for years, but isn't always competitive. Temple is one of the best teams EVER in the win column, but could be stopped by their football dreams. The same is can be said for UCONN, who is historic good but are trying to build on football. All of the options are there, but none are going to work perfectly. We'll have to see what happens. The premise for any expansion needs to start and end with benefit to the league. And the primary benefit that the league is going to be looking for is expansion of the television contract. That's just reality; it might not be ideal. A Wichita State program that has proven it will still be a Top 25 program in 10 years would be a benefit; but if you don't believe it, Fox isn't paying for the Wichita market. The same is true of Richmond. VCU was a hot name; with Shaka gone, the clamor to add them is as well. There are no slam dunk adds that immediately leads to Fox or another broadcasting partner being willing to pay more (or even keep up the price / game -- bring in the wrong team and we could get substantially less per program). UConn has the looming specter of leaving because of football. Gonzaga is too far away. Wichita State could be a pretty mediocre team in three years. Richmond or VCU add almost nothing. What would we get with Dayton since we have Xavier? And so on. With a huge undergrad(30k+) & alumni base, wouldn't they add eyeballs to the games when they're on tv? Probably add some to league games they're not playing in also, they'd probably give a bump to BET attendance also..
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 5, 2015 12:12:50 GMT -5
The premise for any expansion needs to start and end with benefit to the league. And the primary benefit that the league is going to be looking for is expansion of the television contract. That's just reality; it might not be ideal. A Wichita State program that has proven it will still be a Top 25 program in 10 years would be a benefit; but if you don't believe it, Fox isn't paying for the Wichita market. The same is true of Richmond. VCU was a hot name; with Shaka gone, the clamor to add them is as well. There are no slam dunk adds that immediately leads to Fox or another broadcasting partner being willing to pay more (or even keep up the price / game -- bring in the wrong team and we could get substantially less per program). UConn has the looming specter of leaving because of football. Gonzaga is too far away. Wichita State could be a pretty mediocre team in three years. Richmond or VCU add almost nothing. What would we get with Dayton since we have Xavier? And so on. With a huge undergrad(30k+) & alumni base, wouldn't they add eyeballs to the games when they're on tv? Probably add some to league games they're not playing in also, they'd probably give a bump to BET attendance also.. Wouldn't Fox look at the relative size of the TV markets, not the size of the alumni base? For example, St. Louis is #21 nationally as a TV market, while Richmond-Peterburg is only #58.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 5, 2015 12:17:20 GMT -5
The premise for any expansion needs to start and end with benefit to the league. And the primary benefit that the league is going to be looking for is expansion of the television contract. That's just reality; it might not be ideal. A Wichita State program that has proven it will still be a Top 25 program in 10 years would be a benefit; but if you don't believe it, Fox isn't paying for the Wichita market. The same is true of Richmond. VCU was a hot name; with Shaka gone, the clamor to add them is as well. There are no slam dunk adds that immediately leads to Fox or another broadcasting partner being willing to pay more (or even keep up the price / game -- bring in the wrong team and we could get substantially less per program). UConn has the looming specter of leaving because of football. Gonzaga is too far away. Wichita State could be a pretty mediocre team in three years. Richmond or VCU add almost nothing. What would we get with Dayton since we have Xavier? And so on. With a huge undergrad(30k+) & alumni base, wouldn't they add eyeballs to the games when they're on tv? Probably add some to league games they're not playing in also, they'd probably give a bump to BET attendance also.. No, not really. VCU isn't a television player. And if in this post-Shaka era, they don't perform, they will be a huge drag. Tying into a larger metropolitan era or taking a program that will consistently have a number next to their name are the two things to be looking for. VCU and Wichita State could both be the latter, but that's a lot more temporary than the former condition.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 5, 2015 12:50:29 GMT -5
With a huge undergrad(30k+) & alumni base, wouldn't they add eyeballs to the games when they're on tv? Probably add some to league games they're not playing in also, they'd probably give a bump to BET attendance also.. Wouldn't Fox look at the relative size of the TV markets, not the size of the alumni base? For example, St. Louis is #21 nationally as a TV market, while Richmond-Peterburg is only #58. For Pro sports I'd say definitely but for CBB honestly I'm not so sure.. It would seem to me that Fox would want schools that have large fan bases above all.. Isn't this why folks complain about how much more coverage Maryland gets in the DC papers as opposed to G'town?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 5, 2015 12:58:06 GMT -5
Wouldn't Fox look at the relative size of the TV markets, not the size of the alumni base? For example, St. Louis is #21 nationally as a TV market, while Richmond-Peterburg is only #58. For Pro sports I'd say definitely but for CBB honestly I'm not so sure.. It would seem to me that Fox would want schools that have large fan bases above all.. Isn't this why folks complain about how much more coverage Maryland gets in the DC papers as opposed to G'town? It's media markets -- at least that's how they've been pricing/awarding contracts to date. It's because of the way cable/satellite works right now. It could be different in an a la carte model but we're not that close to that now. The problem with VCU is that a VCU that is not at their current level of success -- and it's been a short run and they just lost their coach -- is virtually useless to the Big East.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 5, 2015 14:30:03 GMT -5
For Pro sports I'd say definitely but for CBB honestly I'm not so sure.. It would seem to me that Fox would want schools that have large fan bases above all.. Isn't this why folks complain about how much more coverage Maryland gets in the DC papers as opposed to G'town? It's media markets -- at least that's how they've been pricing/awarding contracts to date. It's because of the way cable/satellite works right now. It could be different in an a la carte model but we're not that close to that now. The problem with VCU is that a VCU that is not at their current level of success -- and it's been a short run and they just lost their coach -- is virtually useless to the Big East. I'm definitely not a media expert but that model seems odd.. IIRC when the new BE was forming folks loved the idea of Creighton due to their loyal fan base not because of the TV market they're in.. Omaha is # 76.. Will VCU take a hit without Smart absolutely but I think they can still be a good program due to their facilities & recruiting base..
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Sept 5, 2015 16:00:26 GMT -5
Why are we still talking about VCU?
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 5, 2015 16:37:38 GMT -5
Glad we didn't get Shake Smarted by picking up VCU for the Big East last year. Would have been a huge mistake.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 5, 2015 20:12:05 GMT -5
I have confidence that the people in charge are patiently assessing every factor, and are not going to jump on a bandwagon just for the sake of expansion.
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Post by jwp91 on Sept 7, 2015 14:08:47 GMT -5
Glad we didn't get Shake Smarted by picking up VCU for the Big East last year. Would have been a huge mistake. Yea, we already got 'Bulter-ed;....expecting Stevens to stay.
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Post by lichoya68 on Sept 12, 2015 11:23:58 GMT -5
NO EXPANSION keep it at TWO GAMES between ALL TEAMS every year great league idea go hoyas GO NEW OLD BIG EAST ps thanks to them i got to keep my hoyas georgetown BIG EAST HAT and didnt have to get a new one THANKS
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 19, 2015 16:23:05 GMT -5
Looks like Wade is establishing himself
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