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Post by professorhoya on Apr 1, 2015 20:28:26 GMT -5
Nope, Smart's never leaving VCU... Shaka Smart #Done Deal!
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Post by dense on Apr 2, 2015 8:57:42 GMT -5
See and now VCU will fade into obscurity.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 2, 2015 9:13:22 GMT -5
See and now VCU will fade into obscurity. I don't buy it Dense.. They can pay 2 million, have an on campus arena, strong fan base plus they are months away from opening a basketball only practice facility.. They'll attract some good candidates..
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Post by vv83 on Apr 2, 2015 9:36:29 GMT -5
Anthony Grant was the VCU coach prior to Smart, and he was just fired by Alabama. Would VCU/Grant be interested in a reunion? It would have a Leitao-ish feel to it. But Grant was very successful at VCU - 76-25 record in 3 seasons, 2 NCAA and 1 NIT appearance. They won a first round NCAA game in his first year - beating Duke. That was the Eric Maynor game, where he hit the buzzer beater for the win. Grant never got things going at Alabama, but I always had the general sense that the guy is a good coach. He was not awful at Alabama (average record in 6 years of 19-14, with one awful 13-19 year mixed into 5 pretty decent seasons). Alabama is a tough place for basketball - I would bet that whoever replaces Grant will not do a whole lot better.
I'm kind of surprised that there has not been more buzz about Grant at some of the places with openings. the guy can coach, and my guess is that if he gets another head coaching opportunity he'll do well. He played at Dayton - so when Archie Miller leaves (it is just a matter of time), Grant might be a consideration to replace him. If Mack ever leaves Xavier, they could do a lot worse than Grant.
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Post by GUMBA on Apr 2, 2015 9:39:38 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 2, 2015 10:11:33 GMT -5
See and now VCU will fade into obscurity. I don't buy it Dense.. They can pay 2 million, have an on campus arena, strong fan base plus they are months away from opening a basketball only practice facility.. They'll attract some good candidates.. This demonstrates why there's no reason to expand with VCU right now - we have no idea what is going to happen. We can always give it a few years (to also see how things shake out otherwise) and then take them if we want. There's just no urgency here. The only legitimate reason I see to add schools is to help boost Big East Tournament attendance, and I don't think any schools we would add (except UConn) would help all that much.
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Post by dense on Apr 2, 2015 10:25:08 GMT -5
See and now VCU will fade into obscurity. I don't buy it Dense.. They can pay 2 million, have an on campus arena, strong fan base plus they are months away from opening a basketball only practice facility.. They'll attract some good candidates.. Sure but will they attract top notch recruits?? Shaka got top 100 players not just because of success but the players connect to him. Grant had the Pitino/Donovan network to help him. The new coach will have to embrace that. I just don't see it happening. The school is not in attractive place. Players probably will not want to go there unless a big name is there. They will go the way of George Mason.
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Post by dense on Apr 2, 2015 10:28:18 GMT -5
Anthony Grant was the VCU coach prior to Smart, and he was just fired by Alabama. Would VCU/Grant be interested in a reunion? It would have a Leitao-ish feel to it. But Grant was very successful at VCU - 76-25 record in 3 seasons, 2 NCAA and 1 NIT appearance. They won a first round NCAA game in his first year - beating Duke. That was the Eric Maynor game, where he hit the buzzer beater for the win. Grant never got things going at Alabama, but I always had the general sense that the guy is a good coach. He was not awful at Alabama (average record in 6 years of 19-14, with one awful 13-19 year mixed into 5 pretty decent seasons). Alabama is a tough place for basketball - I would bet that whoever replaces Grant will not do a whole lot better. I'm kind of surprised that there has not been more buzz about Grant at some of the places with openings. the guy can coach, and my guess is that if he gets another head coaching opportunity he'll do well. He played at Dayton - so when Archie Miller leaves (it is just a matter of time), Grant might be a consideration to replace him. If Mack ever leaves Xavier, they could do a lot worse than Grant. Grant was assistant of Billy Donovan before that at Marshall and Florida. If VCU brings him back then yes. I would think about adding them over time because they would play the same style at least.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 2, 2015 11:21:57 GMT -5
I don't buy it Dense.. They can pay 2 million, have an on campus arena, strong fan base plus they are months away from opening a basketball only practice facility.. They'll attract some good candidates.. Sure but will they attract top notch recruits?? Shaka got top 100 players not just because of success but the players connect to him. Grant had the Pitino/Donovan network to help him. The new coach will have to embrace that. I just don't see it happening. The school is not in attractive place. Players probably will not want to go there unless a big name is there. They will go the way of George Mason. The main reason George Mason fell off is because they didn't want to pay Laranaga, that's why PC didn't get him also.. VCU won't make that mistake.. As for recruiting, that depends on the hire.. What if they bring back Mike Rhoades from Rice? Or Grant or make a run at Massielo(sp?) from Manhattan or Payne from UK? As I posted earlier 2 million and great facilities will get good people to listen..
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Post by CTHoya08 on Apr 2, 2015 11:28:39 GMT -5
Anthony Grant was the VCU coach prior to Smart, and he was just fired by Alabama. Would VCU/Grant be interested in a reunion? It would have a Leitao-ish feel to it. But Grant was very successful at VCU - 76-25 record in 3 seasons, 2 NCAA and 1 NIT appearance. They won a first round NCAA game in his first year - beating Duke. That was the Eric Maynor game, where he hit the buzzer beater for the win. Grant never got things going at Alabama, but I always had the general sense that the guy is a good coach. He was not awful at Alabama (average record in 6 years of 19-14, with one awful 13-19 year mixed into 5 pretty decent seasons). Alabama is a tough place for basketball - I would bet that whoever replaces Grant will not do a whole lot better. I'm kind of surprised that there has not been more buzz about Grant at some of the places with openings. the guy can coach, and my guess is that if he gets another head coaching opportunity he'll do well. He played at Dayton - so when Archie Miller leaves (it is just a matter of time), Grant might be a consideration to replace him. If Mack ever leaves Xavier, they could do a lot worse than Grant. That would certainly get the Xavier fans to squirm.
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Post by dense on Apr 2, 2015 11:53:36 GMT -5
Sure but will they attract top notch recruits?? Shaka got top 100 players not just because of success but the players connect to him. Grant had the Pitino/Donovan network to help him. The new coach will have to embrace that. I just don't see it happening. The school is not in attractive place. Players probably will not want to go there unless a big name is there. They will go the way of George Mason. The main reason George Mason fell off is because they didn't want to pay Laranaga, that's why PC didn't get him also.. VCU won't make that mistake.. As for recruiting, that depends on the hire.. What if they bring back Mike Rhoades from Rice? Or Grant or make a run at Massielo(sp?) from Manhattan or Payne from UK? As I posted earlier 2 million and great facilities will get good people to listen.. Maybe but the school is a commuter school like Mason
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 2, 2015 13:44:23 GMT -5
The main reason George Mason fell off is because they didn't want to pay Laranaga, that's why PC didn't get him also.. VCU won't make that mistake.. As for recruiting, that depends on the hire.. What if they bring back Mike Rhoades from Rice? Or Grant or make a run at Massielo(sp?) from Manhattan or Payne from UK? As I posted earlier 2 million and great facilities will get good people to listen.. Maybe but the school is a commuter school like Mason I guess it is somewhat of a commuter school, but the school takes up nearly all of downtown Richmond. Like I mean pretty much all of the real estate downtown west of the capital. While there isn't really a campus like at Georgetown and students are drawn from the metro area and beyond, most live in houses and apartments downtown walking distance from the university buildings and the arena. It is pretty much the heart of the city of Richmond.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Apr 2, 2015 13:59:36 GMT -5
Must be serious.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 2, 2015 14:10:52 GMT -5
Maybe but the school is a commuter school like Mason I guess it is somewhat of a commuter school, but the school takes up nearly all of downtown Richmond. Like I mean pretty much all of the real estate downtown west of the capital. While there isn't really a campus like at Georgetown and students are drawn from the metro area and beyond, most live in houses and apartments downtown walking distance from the university buildings and the arena. It is pretty much the heart of the city of Richmond. Do they even have a quad or a grassy area.
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 2, 2015 14:28:19 GMT -5
I guess it is somewhat of a commuter school, but the school takes up nearly all of downtown Richmond. Like I mean pretty much all of the real estate downtown west of the capital. While there isn't really a campus like at Georgetown and students are drawn from the metro area and beyond, most live in houses and apartments downtown walking distance from the university buildings and the arena. It is pretty much the heart of the city of Richmond. Do they even have a quad or a grassy area. Monroe Park is right smack in the middle of their campus. It is the Washington Square Park to their NYU.
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Post by dense on Apr 2, 2015 15:00:06 GMT -5
Maybe but the school is a commuter school like Mason I guess it is somewhat of a commuter school, but the school takes up nearly all of downtown Richmond. Like I mean pretty much all of the real estate downtown west of the capital. While there isn't really a campus like at Georgetown and students are drawn from the metro area and beyond, most live in houses and apartments downtown walking distance from the university buildings and the arena. It is pretty much the heart of the city of Richmond. Oh I know but it doesn't have the feel of the city is the school like alot of college campuses do. It's alot of people down in that area that happen to go to school there. I guess is the best way of describing the vibe when I have been there. I'm guessing you live in Richmond, so I don't mean this as a shot at you but Richmond is up there with Baltimore as my least favorite cities.
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 2, 2015 15:04:21 GMT -5
I guess it is somewhat of a commuter school, but the school takes up nearly all of downtown Richmond. Like I mean pretty much all of the real estate downtown west of the capital. While there isn't really a campus like at Georgetown and students are drawn from the metro area and beyond, most live in houses and apartments downtown walking distance from the university buildings and the arena. It is pretty much the heart of the city of Richmond. Oh I know but it doesn't have the feel of the city is the school like alot of college campuses do. It's alot of people down in that area that happen to go to school there. I guess is the best way of describing the vibe when I have been there. I'm guessing you live in Richmond, so I don't mean this as a shot at you but Richmond is up there with Baltimore as my least favorite cities. I grew up there and have spent a lot of time hanging out with friends in the VCU area, both before, during and after college. It's changed a lot since I was a kid in the 80s and 90s. There is still a bit of danger lurking just off the edge of the campus north and east, but it's come a long, long, long way. I'd almost consider moving back. Almost.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 2, 2015 21:43:41 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 2, 2015 21:53:55 GMT -5
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Last VCU players are leaving now. Visibly distraught. 10:30 PM - 2 Apr 2015
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 2, 2015 21:54:39 GMT -5
The VCU expansion bandwagon was/is another example of expansion for coaches and not for programs. Truth be told, if Chris Holtmann was coaching Butler in 2012 instead of Brad Stevens, Butler would probably still be in the A-10.
You build with programs. This was another example of the genius of Dave Gavitt. While the Big East was fumbling through failed invites to Holy Cross and Rutgers, Gavitt insisted on a rural Yankee Conference school that few gave much thought to, a team that played at a 4,000 seat field house with dirt underneath its basketball floor, with one NCAA tournament win in 15 years. And women's basketball? It never had a winning season before.
"A sleeping giant," he urged them. The AD's took his advice and invited the University of Connecticut.
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