EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 6, 2015 10:54:46 GMT -5
Add VCU and no others. What is so bad about an odd number of teams? OK, I've got to ask. What is the unnatural attraction of this board to a downtown school in Richmond with 31,000 students, an median SAT of 1000, a gym not much larger than the (former) DuPont Pavilion, and absolutely no connection to Georgetown whatsoever? Last I checked the name of the school was not Shaka Smart University--when he gets recruited away, then what? No more A-10 teams, please. It's not the board DFW, many folks feel the same way you do.. To answer your question though its because they're one the top basketball only programs on the east coast and in the country.. If we're being honest VCU has a better program than most of the BE teams, even with a median SAT score of 1000..
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 6, 2015 11:18:04 GMT -5
One thing to keep in mind about VCU is that the AD that hired Capel, Grant and Smart isn't there any more--he's at Minnesota. The new AD is from Niagara. So while the school's track record with hiring new head coaches is good, its AD's track record is non-existent (literally--the head basketball coach while he was at Niagra was hired before he got there). Very true Tbird but having a strong fan base, the resources to pay 1 million+ per year, a tremendous recruiting area(dmv) and a brand new 25 million dollar basketball only practice facility will help to enhance his hiring process..
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 6, 2015 12:38:22 GMT -5
Add VCU and no others. What is so bad about an odd number of teams? OK, I've got to ask. What is the unnatural attraction of this board to a downtown school in Richmond with 31,000 students, an median SAT of 1000, a gym not much larger than the (former) DuPont Pavilion, and absolutely no connection to Georgetown whatsoever? Last I checked the name of the school was not Shaka Smart University--when he gets recruited away, then what? No more A-10 teams, please. St. Bonaventure! A Catholic school in that lucrative Western NY market, and they were really good when they had Bob Lanier!
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GUMBA
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Post by GUMBA on Feb 6, 2015 12:39:52 GMT -5
Why do most people on HoyaTalk like VCU and UCONN as additions to the Big East?
Because the Big East is a basketball first conference and both are basketball first schools Because VCU has been a top NCAA basketball program for ten years and UCONN for more than 20 years Because they would be good natural rivals (for geographic and historic reasons) Because our best rivals over the past 20 years(Syracuse and UCONN) are not really peer institutions from an academic or religious standpoint Because big state schools bring higher TV ratings and bigger TV contracts Because big state schools help fill the Garden and the Verizon Center Because ten schools is nice but the Big East will probably need more members to compete with the other larger power conferences Because they are better additions than Dayton, St. Louis, Memphis and even Gonzaga (too far) Because it makes sense if you don't look at it from the perspective of only having private, Catholic (sorry Butler) conference members
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 7, 2015 22:31:35 GMT -5
OK, I've got to ask. What is the unnatural attraction of this board to a downtown school in Richmond with 31,000 students, an median SAT of 1000, a gym not much larger than the (former) DuPont Pavilion, and absolutely no connection to Georgetown whatsoever? Last I checked the name of the school was not Shaka Smart University--when he gets recruited away, then what? No more A-10 teams, please. St. Bonaventure! A Catholic school in that lucrative Western NY market, and they were really good when they had Bob Lanier! The Bonnies beat Shaka. Just sayin'.
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 7, 2015 22:33:35 GMT -5
I'd vote for bringing in St. Bonaventure and Niagara. The Purple Eagles were really good when they had Calvin Murphy. It also opens up a whole new market in Western New York and Lower Canada, and challenges Syracuse in their own backyard.
You do realize that I'm kidding. Right?
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Mar 25, 2015 9:04:48 GMT -5
I just listened to the head coach of Wichita State on Mike & Mike this morning.
It would be a HUGE mistake in my mind for the Big East conference not to extend invitations to WSU and VCU immediately following the conclusion of this season.
These programs are awesome now, much better than many of the current Big East programs, and coached by two absolute studs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 9:13:59 GMT -5
I'm sure Marshall will be getting a bunch of job offers this summer. I would hate to have another Brad Stevens situation (although Butler has recovered nicely)
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 25, 2015 9:19:20 GMT -5
I believe VCU isn't going anywhere. Smart has a solid program that isn't going anywhere. I don't know if we can say the same about WSU. Van Fleet may leave early and I think Cotton is also a senior. I'm not sure Wichita is attracting good recruits if Marshall is gone.
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Post by calhoya on Mar 25, 2015 9:49:01 GMT -5
I think that Marshall stated on the Jim Rome show that it would take a crazy offer from a school like Alabama to get him to consider moving. Although he was careful to couch his terms as requiring a crazy offer, I know that even cracking the door has alienated some of the WSU fans, particularly now before a Sweet 16 game. I think that WSU is totally a function of the current coach. I also know that he was in the running a few years back for the New Mexico job that went to Alford, so it is not as if he has not considered leaving before. As for VCU, who knows if the addition to the Big East would allow the program to continue maintaining a high level of success beyond Smart.
I enjoy talking expansion but right now even I would hold off to see what happens in the next year or so. I believe that the Big 12 may make a move to grow by 2 teams and then dominoes start falling. I know that BYU is increasingly desperate for a home for its football program (other than the MWC) and believes that it is hurt by being in a basketball conference with only one other consistently high quality program. The problem is who to pair BYU with to the Big 12. It could be a Cincinnati, which would have major repurcussions for the AAC, but I am not certain what type of poison pill is now in that conference's bylaws. Go slow and see how it all unfolds.
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Post by Jack on Mar 25, 2015 10:18:13 GMT -5
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Mar 25, 2015 11:29:05 GMT -5
Acknowledging the Butler situation (and they have bounced back very quickly), the coaches at WSU and VCU are much more likely to stay if their programs are elevated into the Big East conference.
We need to capture all the great non-BCS affiliated hoops schools, and WSU and VCU are at the top of the list (after Gonzaga).
We have momentum. Let's build on it by bringing in programs on the rise that are coached by rising star coaches.
"Big East - Hoops Central!"
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Post by BeantownHoya on Mar 25, 2015 11:42:15 GMT -5
Just throwing this out there and obviously i much rather wsu and vcu but..... Dayton?
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Post by gunny on Mar 25, 2015 12:11:29 GMT -5
I am with Cal on the one. The Big 12 is going to have to do something in order to get a championship game for football. See what happens there and where the dominoes fall from there. Wichita State, VCU, Dayton, etc are still going to be waiting at the end of the day.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 25, 2015 12:13:27 GMT -5
This seems strangely familiar in terms of a discussion.
Ranch -- my mind is personally not made up, but do you think the Big East leadership is really going to be influenced by this board?
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 25, 2015 12:22:18 GMT -5
Good point: moved into the prior thread with the same title by the same OP. The search function actually works pretty well here, so if your prior thread isn't on the first page, look for it.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 25, 2015 12:23:56 GMT -5
Ranch -- my mind is personally not made up, but do you think the Big East leadership is really going to be influenced by this board? Only if Coach Marshall guaranteed it would happen on the Jim Rome show.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Mar 25, 2015 12:24:35 GMT -5
This seems strangely familiar in terms of a discussion. Ranch -- my mind is personally not made up, but do you think the Big East leadership is really going to be influenced by this board? Hahaha. Fair point, SFHoya. My only retort is that none of us should believe anything we say has any influence on anything to do with Georgetown basketball. If that be the case, we have two options: 1) the Board is pointless, so let's shut it down; or 2) the Board is pointless, but it's a lot of fun to post our opinions, so let's keep it going. Whadya say?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 25, 2015 12:37:33 GMT -5
This seems strangely familiar in terms of a discussion. Ranch -- my mind is personally not made up, but do you think the Big East leadership is really going to be influenced by this board? Hahaha. Fair point, SFHoya. My only retort is that none of us should believe anything we say has any influence on anything to do with Georgetown basketball. If that be the case, we have two options: 1) the Board is pointless, so let's shut it down; or 2) the Board is pointless, but it's a lot of fun to post our opinions, so let's keep it going. Whadya say? The point is pointless, but we should keep posting. But your argument is practically identical, so it felt like beating a dead horse. Any new info? (I don't care if people keep posting, but your strong phrasing just made me think you were REALLY invested in convincing a bunch of people with absolutely no say).
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Post by turbohoya on Mar 25, 2015 12:44:02 GMT -5
Urban, private institutions in meaningful TV markets where Basketball is the main sport...
Neither VCU nor Wichita fits the bill... St. Louis does
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