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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 23, 2014 15:39:01 GMT -5
Uh oh. Widespread flu in Indiana: CDC MapAre we allowed to wear masks??
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 23, 2014 16:11:35 GMT -5
Hopkins' is Smith's backup. In fact, that's where he's getting most of his minutes.
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Post by NCHoya on Dec 23, 2014 16:11:50 GMT -5
It is interesting that we are not using the trapping zone 3/4 press at all this year, other than for a few possessions. We used it quite frequently last year, for stretches of almost every game. The freshmen seem perfectly suited to play this kind of D, throw in bowen and Trawick - seems like we have the right personnel. My guess is that JTIII is not confident of josh's ability to play the back of this kind of press very well, including setting him up to collect more fouls. But we played this D quite a bit with Josh before his academic suspension. So who knows what the reasoning is. We also are playing 2-3 zone almost exclusively in baseline inbounds situations - and playing it pretty poorly even in those limited possessions. Again, I think Josh is the problem here - he does not move well enough to get up to cover the foul line spot in the lane, and I think Thompson is concerned that we'll just get diced up with Josh and a group of inexperienced freshmen defenders in the zone. Perhaps he thinks we are best served to devote as much practice time as possible to our various man to man defenses and get as good as possible at them, rather than splitting practice time between man and zone defense. I think it is pretty clear that with four freshmen in the rotation, it takes a while for players to understand where they need to be on defense and where everyone is. The frosh are playing big minutes and the getting lost in man is fairly indicative of simply not yet having enough reps to understand where everyone is on the floor and when they need to help and not. I simply think the limiting factor on defense has been time. We started with offense and half-court man. We haven't played nearly as much zone, and I think that's because we haven't had time to practice zone. When we have run a 3/4 court press, it's gotten absolutely destroyed -- Charlotte gleefully ripped it apart and dunked on us. While I agree that some of our team is well suited to it, a poorly executed press is an epic debacle, and I suspect that we simply haven't had the time to practice it enough to execute it well. The coaches get 12 hours a week before the season and about 8 hours during the season to supervise practice for everything from footwork to form to half court offense to zone defense. I just imagine pressing is pretty far down that list. And I think it probably should be. I don't think this is a player issue -- and certainly not Josh who has actually been pretty good on defense this year -- but rather simply a "the team hasn't played that much together issue." Exactly. It is not that coach does not want to press or play zone, in fact, our personnel is very well-suited for those defenses. The problem is we are having enough issues playing our switching man to man, and until that is somewhat mastered, I am sure III does not feel good about spending time practicing other things. It will all come with time.
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 23, 2014 16:38:52 GMT -5
No, I wasn't taking it as a slight at all. I was just asking. But you asked whether your sarcasm meter was broken, how is that not at least perceiving a slight slight? Not sarcasm at all
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 23, 2014 17:10:59 GMT -5
It is interesting that we are not using the trapping zone 3/4 press at all this year, other than for a few possessions. We used it quite frequently last year, for stretches of almost every game. The freshmen seem perfectly suited to play this kind of D, throw in bowen and Trawick - seems like we have the right personnel. My guess is that JTIII is not confident of josh's ability to play the back of this kind of press very well, including setting him up to collect more fouls. But we played this D quite a bit with Josh before his academic suspension. So who knows what the reasoning is. We also are playing 2-3 zone almost exclusively in baseline inbounds situations - and playing it pretty poorly even in those limited possessions. Again, I think Josh is the problem here - he does not move well enough to get up to cover the foul line spot in the lane, and I think Thompson is concerned that we'll just get diced up with Josh and a group of inexperienced freshmen defenders in the zone. Perhaps he thinks we are best served to devote as much practice time as possible to our various man to man defenses and get as good as possible at them, rather than splitting practice time between man and zone defense. I think it is pretty clear that with four freshmen in the rotation, it takes a while for players to understand where they need to be on defense and where everyone is. The frosh are playing big minutes and the getting lost in man is fairly indicative of simply not yet having enough reps to understand where everyone is on the floor and when they need to help and not. I simply think the limiting factor on defense has been time. We started with offense and half-court man. We haven't played nearly as much zone, and I think that's because we haven't had time to practice zone. When we have run a 3/4 court press, it's gotten absolutely destroyed -- Charlotte gleefully ripped it apart and dunked on us. While I agree that some of our team is well suited to it, a poorly executed press is an epic debacle, and I suspect that we simply haven't had the time to practice it enough to execute it well. The coaches get 12 hours a week before the season and about 8 hours during the season to supervise practice for everything from footwork to form to half court offense to zone defense. I just imagine pressing is pretty far down that list. And I think it probably should be. I don't think this is a player issue -- and certainly not Josh who has actually been pretty good on defense this year -- but rather simply a "the team hasn't played that much together issue." This I think this is clearly the answer.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 23, 2014 19:00:45 GMT -5
No, I wasn't taking it as a slight at all. I was just asking. But you asked whether your sarcasm meter was broken, how is that not at least perceiving a slight slight? Not sarcasm at all Wait now, I am really confused. The comments you are alluding to were not from me.
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 23, 2014 19:14:42 GMT -5
But you asked whether your sarcasm meter was broken, how is that not at least perceiving a slight slight? Not sarcasm at all Wait now, I am really confused. The comments you are alluding to were not from me. My bad, I thought you had made the original comment since you were responding to me resounding to that specific comment. I don't usually pay attention to specific screen names. To answer your original comment, I wasn't insinuating that positively was the wrong word, rather that it was the perfect word.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 23, 2014 19:44:39 GMT -5
I agree with others that lack of time to perfect the zone is probably one of the main reasons we haven't used it. When we have used it we have gotten destroyed so I can see why we haven't used it much.
If my memory serves me well, I really don't think we used 3/4 press and zone much last year either. We did use it a lot during 2012-2013 (and the season before to some degree) to great results but that was a pretty mature and experienced team (DSR was the only freshman who got any real time). You also had Porter, an outstanding defensive presence.
I think this team will get to a point where we will see more zone. I'm not sure it will be this year though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 2:55:57 GMT -5
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Post by calhoya on Dec 24, 2014 8:23:45 GMT -5
I agree with others that lack of time to perfect the zone is probably one of the main reasons we haven't used it. When we have used it we have gotten destroyed so I can see why we haven't used it much. If my memory serves me well, I really don't think we used 3/4 press and zone much last year either. We did use it a lot during 2012-2013 (and the season before to some degree) to great results but that was a pretty mature and experienced team (DSR was the only freshman who got any real time). You also had Porter, an outstanding defensive presence. I think this team will get to a point where we will see more zone. I'm not sure it will be this year though. Not sure I agree with this but then I have only taped three of the games and as I enter my 50s won't pretend that I have perfect recall. From what I see the Hoyas are playing zone often this year--not always well but often. It depends on the players in the game at the time--theirs and ours. As for last year, the Hoyas played alot of zone defense which is probably why they seem to be playing it less this year. The 3/4 press does not always get used with a zone defense. It can be aggressive and combined with a half court trap or it can be passive and simply intended to make the other team work harder to get the ball up court. In any event teams, including the Hoyas, often drop out of the 3/4 presss into a man defense or a variety of zones.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 24, 2014 11:28:12 GMT -5
Wait now, I am really confused. The comments you are alluding to were not from me. My bad, I thought you had made the original comment since you were responding to me resounding to that specific comment. I don't usually pay attention to specific screen names. To answer your original comment, I wasn't insinuating that positively was the wrong word, rather that it was the perfect word. All's well, that ends well, my Brother! Keep the peace! Let's go Hoyas!
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 24, 2014 11:34:24 GMT -5
Cute! These are some knowledgeable guys! I am not that much into pop culture.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 25, 2014 23:57:37 GMT -5
I'm sappy but I loved that video. The guys seem like good dudes to be around. I'd have never have known that Joshua has some goofiness to him. And Hop just seems like a really likable kid. I hope they had a great day today and are resting up to put a nail in the coffin on the giving spirit on Saturday. Saturday starts the taketh away chapter. Get em Hoyas!
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Post by CaliHoya on Dec 26, 2014 13:25:22 GMT -5
Anyone know how the team handled travel before the game? Did the players get to go home for Christmas and then are meeting in NYC?
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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 27, 2014 12:05:18 GMT -5
Thats a solid start lol
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Post by prhoya on Dec 27, 2014 12:08:14 GMT -5
Hopkins with the under the basket prayer airball with plenty of time on the shot clock... great guy, but no (basketball) IQ...
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Post by BleedBlueHoya on Dec 27, 2014 12:09:26 GMT -5
Horrible start with Hopkins taking that ridiculous shot and Smith picking up a horrible foul. That 2 TOs were pretty bad too. But we're up by 1. It's early.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 27, 2014 12:13:22 GMT -5
Missed a dunk.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 27, 2014 12:14:00 GMT -5
2 fouls on Hops by the 16:31 mark... who's our why-are-we-discussing-our-third-string-center-again?
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 27, 2014 12:14:17 GMT -5
That hook is hopkins shot
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