blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 22, 2014 9:48:35 GMT -5
The winner of this game most likely cracks the top 25.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 22, 2014 10:13:29 GMT -5
Last chance at a quality non-conference win, and as much of a "must win" as a December non-conference game can be (especially factoring in the Creepy Crean factor). If DSR wants to thoroughly outplay Yogi Ferrell, I can't say that I'd mind.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 22, 2014 10:17:17 GMT -5
The number one thing will be not letting Yogi Ferrell penetrate into the paint and kick out for 3's. They're an excellent 3pt shooting team. Can't get sucked in. They're weak inside. Josh should have a field day. As long as he doesn't get too many classic he's big fouls we should be good. We should also punish this team on the boards. They actually did a great job against butler in this regard and it's one of the main reasons why they won. They're going to throw zone at us like they did against Butler. So we need to do a better job attacking it. Get into the middle. Paul needs to play well as he's the best option in the middle there. It also means they should be vulnerable to our very good offensive rebounding. They don't force turnovers, but they still love to push the pace and get out on the break when you do cough it up.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 22, 2014 10:47:28 GMT -5
This is a must win game, no doubt about it.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 22, 2014 11:07:57 GMT -5
Their strength is three point shooting. Our weakness is three point D (at least in Charlotte & Kansas games). Hammer it to Josh. Get Perrea in foul trouble, D up Blackmon and blockout.
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 22, 2014 11:33:16 GMT -5
You guys have hit the nail on the head in this game. If Indiana shoots the three as they have done, on average, this season, we will have great difficulty coming out with a win. That means that we have to defend the three far better than we have been doing recently. I think that we will know very early how this is going to go.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 22, 2014 11:51:11 GMT -5
Indiana is a very good offensive team (including threes) but their defense is weak overall. If we cannot score against Indiana, that will not bode well for the remainder of the season, and it will also make it hard to win this game, since I think we can play better on defense, but you also have to think a team as good as Indiana offensively will likely get its fair share of good looks.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 22, 2014 12:05:36 GMT -5
Issue an APB for Smith-Rivera's shot, don't think we get this game without a better game from him.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Dec 22, 2014 12:39:36 GMT -5
The key to this game will be if the real DSR shows up. The BE pre season Player of the Year has been absent for most of the early season. He will have to score in this game (1) because they will be playing zone and the Hoyas will need a zone buster, and (2) his scoring will have to offset Ferrell's ability to penetrate and distribute. DSR has improved his footwork, but he is still slower than your average PG and Ferrell is above average. It was disconcerting to see him pass on wide open 3pt shots in the last game. There are not many great scorers who are great PG's. There are average scorer's who are great PG's or vice versa. A PG is thinking constantly about getting the team in the right sets and getting teammates into the game. A scorer is really not thinking about anything but the next open shot and he has no conscience about the last missed shot. What I think has affected DSR so far is that last part about not having a conscience. That's the thin line all great PG's and great scorers can cross. Lately DSR's confidence in his shooting has waned and therefore he has passed up many shots because of his conscience telling him that maybe he should pass the ball. To be honest he lacks the quickness to be a great PG, but he can be an average PG and a great scorer. He has to realize his ultimate worth to making this team a championship team is his ability to score. I know he has been working on his PG skills in the non-conference part of the season, but I wished we could have seen more of the scorer's mentality w/o a conscience. Pull the trigger DSR that is who you are, a great scorer. If you do you will find that your shots will start falling like they always have and also realize that being an average PG is all this team needs you to be.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Dec 22, 2014 13:05:25 GMT -5
we're going to win. we're due.
Also, memo to DSR and JT55ive: Shoot!
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Post by aristides on Dec 22, 2014 13:41:47 GMT -5
The key to this game will be if the real DSR shows up. The BE pre season Player of the Year has been absent for most of the early season. He will have to score in this game (1) because they will be playing zone and the Hoyas will need a zone buster, and (2) his scoring will have to offset Ferrell's ability to penetrate and distribute. DSR has improved his footwork, but he is still slower than your average PG and Ferrell is above average. It was disconcerting to see him pass on wide open 3pt shots in the last game. There are not many great scorers who are great PG's. There are average scorer's who are great PG's or vice versa. A PG is thinking constantly about getting the team in the right sets and getting teammates into the game. A scorer is really not thinking about anything but the next open shot and he has no conscience about the last missed shot. What I think has affected DSR so far is that last part about not having a conscience. That's the thin line all great PG's and great scorers can cross. Lately DSR's confidence in his shooting has waned and therefore he has passed up many shots because of his conscience telling him that maybe he should pass the ball. To be honest he lacks the quickness to be a great PG, but he can be an average PG and a great scorer. He has to realize his ultimate worth to making this team a championship team is his ability to score. I know he has been working on his PG skills in the non-conference part of the season, but I wished we could have seen more of the scorer's mentality w/o a conscience. Pull the trigger DSR that is who you are, a great scorer. If you do you will find that your shots will start falling like they always have and also realize that being an average PG is all this team needs you to be.
You make a strong argument. I will note that, with an assist to turnover ratio of 3.8/1.5, DSR has been very good at not turning the ball over while still managing to find his teammates for shots. I don't think we've had a point guard in the past ten years who is on pace to have as few turnovers as DSR. A cursory search leads to Wallace in the 07/08 season but I think Sapp handled more of the point guard duties then. Starks sophomore season was at 1.4 but he wasn't finding his teammates for assists.
Since DSR is usually one of the top two players in field goal attempts it seems to me that he's still trying to be that scorer. Perhaps he is trying to be a little more selective. His shot is just off right now is all.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 22, 2014 14:11:08 GMT -5
I don't like DSR at the point. Say what you will, DSR is a guy who is positively selfish, who looks for his own shots, and relies on being open. We might be better off with Peak handling the ball.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 22, 2014 14:32:12 GMT -5
I don't like DSR at the point. Say what you will, DSR is a guy who is positively selfish, who looks for his own shots, and relies on being open. We might be better off with Peak handling the ball. But he was open time and again, didn't shoot and UNSELFISHLY passed it to his mates vs. Charlotte et al. Wait, is my sarcasm meter broken? Did I read you correctly?
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Post by prhoya on Dec 22, 2014 14:39:09 GMT -5
The key to this game will be if the real DSR shows up. The BE pre season Player of the Year has been absent for most of the early season. He will have to score in this game (1) because they will be playing zone and the Hoyas will need a zone buster, and (2) his scoring will have to offset Ferrell's ability to penetrate and distribute. DSR has improved his footwork, but he is still slower than your average PG and Ferrell is above average. It was disconcerting to see him pass on wide open 3pt shots in the last game. There are not many great scorers who are great PG's. There are average scorer's who are great PG's or vice versa. A PG is thinking constantly about getting the team in the right sets and getting teammates into the game. A scorer is really not thinking about anything but the next open shot and he has no conscience about the last missed shot. What I think has affected DSR so far is that last part about not having a conscience. That's the thin line all great PG's and great scorers can cross. Lately DSR's confidence in his shooting has waned and therefore he has passed up many shots because of his conscience telling him that maybe he should pass the ball. To be honest he lacks the quickness to be a great PG, but he can be an average PG and a great scorer. He has to realize his ultimate worth to making this team a championship team is his ability to score. I know he has been working on his PG skills in the non-conference part of the season, but I wished we could have seen more of the scorer's mentality w/o a conscience. Pull the trigger DSR that is who you are, a great scorer. If you do you will find that your shots will start falling like they always have and also realize that being an average PG is all this team needs you to be. Maybe DSR has never been the go-to guy/overall leader in a team and he's still adjusting to that most important role. I don't think he was in h.s./club/AAU and not his first two years here (Starks last year). I'm sure he'll unleash himself. He has JT3's green light.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 22, 2014 14:44:53 GMT -5
Their strength is three point shooting. Our weakness is three point D (at least in Charlotte & Kansas games). Hammer it to Josh. Get Perrea in foul trouble, D up Blackmon and blockout. Kudos to JT3 for scheduling Charlotte before the Indiana game. Good practice for same type of game, yet better! From the front page: "They got too many open looks," said Georgetown coach john Thompson III. "Our goal was to not let them get threes and they got threes. We need to work on it, we to listen, we need the reps, we need to talk about it, we need to watch film, we need to practice against it. You come away with a win; great, but our defensive execution was not where it needs to be." The kids will know what to do and it is up to JT3 to make them do it. If perimeter player cheats inside to help vs a penetration and gets burned from a quick pass and shoot 3, that player sits.
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Post by NCHoya on Dec 22, 2014 14:48:58 GMT -5
DSR may not have a choice but to be selfish in this one. IU can score the ball, we will need all the points we can get, and the Hoyas have no better option then DSR (besides a Josh Smith post-up) for scoring.
If he struggles again, I do not see a win for us. However, I think on the MSG stage DSR will have that extra hop to get the ball over the rim in this one. It should be a fairly fast paced, wide open game. Should be fun to watch.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 22, 2014 14:51:55 GMT -5
DSR may not have a choice but to be selfish in this one. IU can score the ball, we will need all the points we can get, and the Hoyas have no better option then DSR (besides a Josh Smith post-up) for scoring. If he struggles again, I do not see a win for us. However, I think on the MSG stage DSR will have that extra hop to get the ball over the rim in this one. It should be a fairly fast paced, wide open game. Should be fun to watch. I think Peak has another big game on the big stage...
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 22, 2014 15:05:01 GMT -5
we're going to win. we're due. Also, memo to DSR and JT55ive: Shoot! this!
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Post by Cambridge on Dec 22, 2014 15:30:48 GMT -5
Last chance at a ANOTHER quality non-conference win, and as much of a "must win" as a December non-conference game can be (especially factoring in the Creepy Crean factor). If DSR wants to thoroughly outplay Yogi Ferrell, I can't say that I'd mind. How quickly we all forget about Florida...
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Post by prhoya on Dec 22, 2014 15:34:35 GMT -5
Last chance at a ANOTHER quality non-conference win, and as much of a "must win" as a December non-conference game can be (especially factoring in the Creepy Crean factor). If DSR wants to thoroughly outplay Yogi Ferrell, I can't say that I'd mind. How quickly we all forget about Florida... which will get better with yet another Dukie eloper, the now-available Murphy...
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