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Post by Filo on Dec 28, 2014 19:22:17 GMT -5
Glad I finally got see a game live this season. Sat with a bunch of former classmates and their families and had a blast. Thoughts on some of the points raised:
The fans were great and the Garden was loud considering the upper level was closed off. Some have said that there seemed to be more IU fans. I didn't see that at all.
I didn't see replays or highlights, but it seemed like LJ alone missed about 6 gimmes (and that doesn't count the last shot of regulation, which was not a gimme but could easily have been converted). On a related note, it was nice to see the team have a decent play out of a timeout.
Other than the foul trouble, I could not believe that Josh was not under the basket and the team was not getting the ball to him every time down. IU had no answer for him, and he spent too much time at the top of the key. Of course, he was pretty beat at the end there. Seemed to us that those 2 turnovers he had late were purely from being tired and getting sloppy.
Welcome back, DSR! And, of course, great job by AB! Good work by the seniors all around (not sure if Rothstein's tweet about Jabril was posted here -- he thought Jabril's missed dunk in the 2nd half changed the game -- "Grown man move with a grown man edge. Put Hoyas in attack mode."
A huge problem with this team that I harp on (along with many others) is leaving hot shooter open for 3s. Seems like they did a much better job in the second half, and many of IU's 3s towards the end were just chucks from way out there (even behind NBA 3-pont line).
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Post by SaxaCD on Dec 28, 2014 20:02:55 GMT -5
Glad I finally got see a game live this season. Sat with a bunch of former classmates and their families and had a blast. Thoughts on some of the points raised: The fans were great and the Garden was loud considering the upper level was closed off. Some have said that there seemed to be more IU fans. I didn't see that at all. I didn't see replays or highlights, but it seemed like LJ alone missed about 6 gimmes (and that doesn't count the last shot of regulation, which was not a gimme but could easily have been converted). On a related note, it was nice to see the team have a decent play out of a timeout. Other than the foul trouble, I could not believe that Josh was not under the basket and the team was not getting the ball to him every time down. IU had no answer for him, and he spent too much time at the top of the key. Of course, he was pretty beat at the end there. Seemed to us that those 2 turnovers he had late were purely from being tired and getting sloppy. Welcome back, DSR! And, of course, great job by AB! Good work by the seniors all around (not sure if Rothstein's tweet about Jabril was posted here -- he thought Jabril's missed dunk in the 2nd half changed the game -- "Grown man move with a grown man edge. Put Hoyas in attack mode." A huge problem with this team that I harp on (along with many others) is leaving hot shooter open for 3s. Seems like they did a much better job in the second half, and many of IU's 3s towards the end were just chucks from way out there (even behind NBA 3-pont line). Watching the game on TV, I was really frustrated with all the missed "gimmes", but the silver lining to me was how well and how often Peak got to the rim, easily beating defenders. I know the guy can finish, and he's had games where he's finished really well once he's gotten there, so I'm able to see the good side of his otherwise poor shooting night. As opposed to some others, I don't think the venue or situation got to him, I just think he had one of those inconsistent freshman games. A scared player wouldn't have been driving as daringly, I don't think, and I have a feeling we're going to see some other really fantastic performances from him this year where he does what he did against Indiana and converts all or most of them. He's really explosive; the only thing that kept him from being a star of the game was himself, and I don't think that's an opponent who will be beating him all that often in the games ahead.
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Post by SaxaCD on Dec 28, 2014 20:08:07 GMT -5
I thought that end of regulation play was perfectly drawn up -- Peak got an open lane to the basket, and I thought he could have dished to Josh for a dunk if he had looked there, but he was also in really good position to make that shot. I do understand that DSR was the hot hand, but I think LJ will be just as good an option in that situation going forward, because he's more explosive to the basket. Just a rough game for him this time.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 28, 2014 20:30:42 GMT -5
Rock, as a team we shoot 48.1%. Hop shoots 39.1% while shooting almost all shots at the rim on 46 attempts. Josh shoots 63.6% on 88 attempts...while being fouled while shooting as or more often than Hop. I like Hop and wish him the best, but the simple fact is that he is not presently an effective shooter/scorer. The good news is that Hop is playing within himself this year. One exception was the up and under 1st shot of the game. That is not a shot I want to see him take. You say that to say what? Im confused, nobody has tried to argue that he's an effective scorer, who's point are you trying to disprove? If you're just trying to tell me that we shoot 48.1% as a team, well then point well taken. You have made points that any offensive criticism of Hopkins is unwarranted and that it is unrealistic to think Hop could shoot 55-60 when Josh shoot 63%.....
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Post by dreamhoya on Dec 28, 2014 20:33:20 GMT -5
I agree. And I don't want to keep sounding like a Hop apologist or a broken record put when you go up strong for a dunk, and are hacked and don't finish the dunk and are sent to the line, that IS NOT the same thing as a missed dunk. It becomes confusing for those who base their perceptions largely based off of what is said on this board. He didn't miss a dunk yesterday, he was hacked in the process of attempting one, yet you aren't the first poster to suggest that he did in this thread. I wouldn't be surprised to see similar inconsistencies across most game threads this year. Hopkins played well yesterday and when he plays within himself which he has as of late he's a big asset to the team.. I agree with you that Purplefilms use of the word "unnatural" when describing Hopkins making shots is odd or over the top but you have to admit Hopkins hasn't been an efficient offensive player over his career at G'town. He's missed a lot of chip shots where he hasn't been fouled.. I fully admit I cringe when he goes to make a move with the ball, this is not a perception I've gotten from reading the board.. It has come from watching him for 3+ years ok, maybe wrong word. What about awkward? you don't think "Stellar" is over the top? ...and aren't you saying essentially what I'm saying??
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 28, 2014 21:05:15 GMT -5
You say that to say what? Im confused, nobody has tried to argue that he's an effective scorer, who's point are you trying to disprove? If you're just trying to tell me that we shoot 48.1% as a team, well then point well taken. You have made points that any offensive criticism of Hopkins is unwarranted and that it is unrealistic to think Hop could shoot 55-60 when Josh shoot 63%..... No I have not made points that are consistent with the idea that Mikael does not warrant any offensive criticism, that's silly. And I said that EXPECTING him to shoot 55-60% is somewhat of an UNREASONABLE expectation because if he shot anywhere from 48-58% many on this board would be more than happy, but that should not be the base expectation point (shooting 55-60% from the field is very good, regardless of position).. And who cares about Josh? Josh is a better finisher than the vast majority of big in America (the continent). Of course he's gonna shoot a better percentage than Mikael, and while you compare them for competitivtiveness sake it's not rational to use Josh's percentages as a benchmark for what Hop's should look like to be considered successful.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 28, 2014 21:26:44 GMT -5
Ok, rock...
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Post by bicentennial on Dec 28, 2014 22:45:21 GMT -5
There is the reality that as usage goes down, shooting percentage or effective field goal percentage should go up since not being expected to produce a large number of attempts a player should be taking better shots. It is disappointing that Hopkins usage is down significantly but his shooting percentage is lower than it was in previous years when he took more shots. Lubick almost never scored but he had a high shooting percentage in part since he took so few shots and many of his points were tip ins at the basket.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 28, 2014 22:48:46 GMT -5
The funny part about this really drawn out discussion is that it likely stems from people looking at Hop and seeing what they think he could be as opposed to what he has been. He had a very good game for him right now. I think that people expect more of those sorts of games out of him. And, to be fair, those opening few sequences did hit us all in the gut and probably colored a bit of what came later for both Joshua and Hop. Not that that's completely fair but it's human nature. Mikael has had games where he's used that hook shot effectively. There just haven't been many of them. It's nice to see. And he should try that against smaller interior teams when the opportunities present themselves. Putting that aside, he's been much better defensively this year and, nearly as important, he's been really vocal on defense as well (seemingly, mostly with the freshmen). DSR has also been good about that but not to the degree of Hop. That's going to be a hugely important contribution every game in trying to get the younger guys to tighten up on D and look less lost. It's another reason he needs to be really smart about fouling. He doesn't always have to be on the floor but, in the time that he isn't, it can't be because of foul trouble. We need his defense and that ability to play offense/defense like we did yesterday against teams that have an interior presence.
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Post by gujake on Dec 28, 2014 22:55:14 GMT -5
It's a good question from a strategy POV--do you just let the play run with the ball in DSR's hands. For what it's worth, studies on late-game situations show that you are generally better off NOT calling timeout when the game is tied: harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2010/08/30/late-game-timeouts-if-the-game-is-tied-let-them-play/Of course, every team/situation is unique, so you can't say that it's always better to not call timeout. For example, in Saturday's game, JTIII was able to get Josh Smith into the game by calling timeout (even though he didn't take the shot), and I think that's a significant factor. That said, the gap in expected points (according to that study) is pretty large, and for a few other reasons I doubt calling timeout was the right move. I have no problem with the actual play that was run after the timeout, though, and luckily it didn't matter this time because the Hoyas won in OT.
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 29, 2014 9:15:55 GMT -5
It's a good question from a strategy POV--do you just let the play run with the ball in DSR's hands. For what it's worth, studies on late-game situations show that you are generally better off NOT calling timeout when the game is tied: harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2010/08/30/late-game-timeouts-if-the-game-is-tied-let-them-play/Of course, every team/situation is unique, so you can't say that it's always better to not call timeout. For example, in Saturday's game, JTIII was able to get Josh Smith into the game by calling timeout (even though he didn't take the shot), and I think that's a significant factor. That said, the gap in expected points (according to that study) is pretty large, and for a few other reasons I doubt calling timeout was the right move. I have no problem with the actual play that was run after the timeout, though, and luckily it didn't matter this time because the Hoyas won in OT. Didn't realize Smith wasn't in the game. Getting him in there is a pretty good reason to call a timeout, and my recollection that he was in there was a big reason I thought the TO was unnecessary (a tip in / offensive rebound by Smith of a missed DSR shot). Guess I was wrong about JT3's decision.
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Post by drquigley on Dec 29, 2014 9:55:21 GMT -5
Regarding Peak and his last shot of regulation. Let's face it Peak is going to the hoop anytime he has the ball. No way he passes it to Josh. I'm sure he's thinking of taking it to the hoop when he crosses mid court with the ball. After enduring last year when none of our forwards looked to score I love Peaks aggressiveness. More important he makes opponents guard him unlike last year when opponents could just ignore Lubick. That opens up things for everyone else. Obviously JT III feels the same way that's why he starts him.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Dec 29, 2014 11:19:28 GMT -5
Great win by the Hoyas. Could not watch the game live and set the DVR to record 2:30 minutes and it recorded 2:15, so I did not see he last 3:30 of OT. Glad that the upperclassmen were able to pull it out. Some have said that Indiana is or should be a top 25 team. If they shoot the ball the way they did against the Hoyas then I concur. However, the couple of games I watched them play before Saturday, they came nowhere close to that accuracy. Now, some will say it is due to a lack of HOYAS closing out on the shooters, and there were examples of that. However, I think Georgetown through the years has always brought out the best in any team they have played , with the 1985 championship game against Villanova being the biggest example. After JT2 left, respect dwindled a little, but JT3 promised to make teams remember who Georgtown was. I think he has done that. Teams regardless of national statue, get up for a Georgetown game,especially a Hoya home game. The kids Green and Blackmon for Kansas and Indiana respectively are good but I doubt they will have similar games the rest of the year.. The upperclassmen know this and showed the grit and pride you have to have to pull a game like this out. The freshmen hopefully are learning just what it means to have the Georgetown jersey on. You are going to have to bring your best every game, because your opponent certainly will bring his, partly because of the name on the front of your jersey.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 29, 2014 12:30:16 GMT -5
Great win by the Hoyas. Could not watch the game live and set the DVR to record 2:30 minutes and it recorded 2:15, so I did not see he last 3:30 of OT. Glad that the upperclassmen were able to pull it out. Some have said that Indiana is or should be a top 25 team. If they shoot the ball the way they did against the Hoyas then I concur. However, the couple of games I watched them play before Saturday, they came nowhere close to that accuracy. Now, some will say it is due to a lack of HOYAS closing out on the shooters, and there were examples of that. However, I think Georgetown through the years has always brought out the best in any team they have played , with the 1985 championship game against Villanova being the biggest example. After JT2 left, respect dwindled a little, but JT3 promised to make teams remember who Georgtown was. I think he has done that. Teams regardless of national statue, get up for a Georgetown game,especially a Hoya home game. The kids Green and Blackmon for Kansas and Indiana respectively are good but I doubt they will have similar games the rest of the year.. The upperclassmen know this and showed the grit and pride you have to have to pull a game like this out. The freshmen hopefully are learning just what it means to have the Georgetown jersey on. You are going to have to bring your best every game, because your opponent certainly will bring his, partly because of the name on the front of your jersey. You are absolutely right, OHF, from one old Hoya fan to another. I am not sure last year's team fully understood what it means to carry the Georgetown label. However, I was happy to see the tweet from Jabril. This year's squad gets it, I think.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 29, 2014 12:34:10 GMT -5
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 29, 2014 12:43:09 GMT -5
At least in providing rational discourse while posters just put words in other posters' so that they can fabricate an argument.....if you have something you want to say (hopefully intelligent) then say it, because managing two syllables means noting to me and if you're gonna refer to me for no reason I'd rather you not. Maybe pickup another hobby if you can't follow the logic of sports discussion.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 29, 2014 14:15:39 GMT -5
At least in providing rational discourse while posters just put words in other posters' so that they can fabricate an argument.....if you have something you want to say (hopefully intelligent) then say it, because managing two syllables means noting to me and if you're gonna refer to me for no reason I'd rather you not. Maybe pickup another hobby if you can't follow the logic of sports discussion. Ok, rock...
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Post by kchoya on Dec 29, 2014 14:18:37 GMT -5
For what it's worth, studies on late-game situations show that you are generally better off NOT calling timeout when the game is tied: harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2010/08/30/late-game-timeouts-if-the-game-is-tied-let-them-play/Of course, every team/situation is unique, so you can't say that it's always better to not call timeout. For example, in Saturday's game, JTIII was able to get Josh Smith into the game by calling timeout (even though he didn't take the shot), and I think that's a significant factor. That said, the gap in expected points (according to that study) is pretty large, and for a few other reasons I doubt calling timeout was the right move. I have no problem with the actual play that was run after the timeout, though, and luckily it didn't matter this time because the Hoyas won in OT. Didn't realize Smith wasn't in the game. Getting him in there is a pretty good reason to call a timeout, and my recollection that he was in there was a big reason I thought the TO was unnecessary (a tip in / offensive rebound by Smith of a missed DSR shot). Guess I was wrong about JT3's decision. What are the studies showing Joshua in the game versus Joshua not in the game for the last shot?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 11:36:15 GMT -5
Chris Wright 27 Dec yall know who owns the Garden, cmon man time to retire these boys. #HOYAS
Chris Wright 27 Dec Bittersweet seeing my man Troy Williams not in them Hoyas colors tho. He flatout! #BWSL
Chris Wright 27 Dec Coach JT3 i need some shorts when i get back too.
Chris Wright 27 Dec whoever does the postgame interviews after the game. Tell coach I said i need some shorts! oh yea and great win! lol #tellhimisaidpleaselol
Chris Wright 27 Dec DSR wearing that #4 keep goin lil bro!
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