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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 9, 2014 10:49:23 GMT -5
This is why you don't play teams like GW because it's a lot tougher game than it needs to be due to the little brother rivalry. Isn't that a cowardly approach?
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 9, 2014 10:51:33 GMT -5
This is why you don't play teams like GW because it's a lot tougher game than it needs to be due to the little brother rivalry. I understand that mindset, but I say "bring them on." I would schedule a home-and-home series with GW and Mason in a heartbeat. If we are not afraid to play Dook at Cameron, we should not be afraid to play those guys on the "road." And I know, there is a difference with RPI, etc., but there is a huge benefit to playing in those "little brother" war games. I love the intensity; in fact, perhaps it is the closest thing to the NCAAs we can create in the regular season. Look at the description of Providence last night- it sounds like us in the NCAAs. Just a thought.
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Post by birdman on Dec 9, 2014 11:03:20 GMT -5
This is why you don't play teams like GW because it's a lot tougher game than it needs to be due to the little brother rivalry. Isn't that a cowardly approach? Lack of incentive isn't cowardice. It's like getting in a fistfight with a high school kid: Hoyas gain nothing by winning, and if they lose it's humiliating.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 9, 2014 11:16:03 GMT -5
They beat up on a local foe and get the experience of performing under pressure if they win. If they lose, they will lick their wounds, learn from the experience, and move on.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 9, 2014 11:21:36 GMT -5
This is why you don't play teams like GW because it's a lot tougher game than it needs to be due to the little brother rivalry. Isn't that a cowardly approach? I see it more as a business decision. The game wouldn't be a cupcake warm up game so you're not replacing towson with GW you're replacing a challenging team with GW. Why play GW when we can play games against teams like Cuse and Uconn, and Kansas to challenge our team and bring in better attendance. I suppose you could argue it prepares you for the DePauls or in this year Marquette's of the world who aren't good and we should beat, but will beat us if we don't come to play. Just doesn't seem to be any incentive to play this type of game if we're not getting something out of it.
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 9, 2014 11:28:09 GMT -5
I agree, if its a cowardly approach, it is one every team in America employs. You dont think Kansas vs Wichita St would be a great game every year? I wonder why Bill Self doesnt schedule that. I dont see Kentucky traveling to all the schools in the State for home and homes. What is the incentive? Is it somehow more important to us because we are in a city with other schools? Meh.
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 9, 2014 11:30:43 GMT -5
This is why you don't play teams like GW because it's a lot tougher game than it needs to be due to the little brother rivalry. Let's put this in some context. 1. Brown University is located 1.9 miles from Providence College. Georgetown University is located 1.4 miles from George Washington University. Essentially, walking distance for both pairs of schools. Even so, the worlds of Providence and Brown could not be placed farther apart. 2. There are fewer students who apply to both PC and Brown than to both GW and Georgetown. The student bodies at PC and Brown could not be more dissimilar; Brown is viewed as the most liberal of the Ivy League schools, sometimes being referred to as the "Berkeley of the east." PC is far from the liberal side of the page. 3. PC and Brown have played annually in basketball for an extended period of time; GW and Georgetown have not played annually for an extended period of time. The "little brother" syndrome has been exacerbated by Georgetown's perceived arrogance in not playing GW, not unlike the manner in which Maryland was viewed by Georgetown students in the days of Lefty Driesell when the Terrapins refused to play the Hoyas in the late seventies and eighties. 4. Basketball is not that important at Brown; hockey wins for Brown over PC are more celebrated than basketball wins. Ultimately, Providence does not have to confront the issue of losing an athletic contest to its "little brother," because Brown does not consider itself to be related to Providence at all. PC is simply another college to Brown. Final disclaimer: This is from the parent of a Brown '16, and who has seen and heard this viewpoint firsthand.
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 9, 2014 11:37:22 GMT -5
I think it's pretty clear HSB was talking about it from the basketball context only, and I think the argument is pretty reasonable. Brown and GW are little brothers to Providence and Gtown in basketball. They can quarrel with that argument when they win conferences, make the NCAAs a lot, win games, make the Final Four, etc. Until then,meh. Of course it is about arrogance. That is the point No school willingly accepts the little brother label...
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 9, 2014 11:48:33 GMT -5
This is why you don't play teams like GW because it's a lot tougher game than it needs to be due to the little brother rivalry. Let's put this in some context. 1. Brown University is located 1.9 miles from Providence College. Georgetown University is located 1.4 miles from George Washington University. Essentially, walking distance for both pairs of schools. Even so, the worlds of Providence and Brown could not be placed farther apart. 2. There are fewer students who apply to both PC and Brown than to both GW and Georgetown. The student bodies at PC and Brown could not be more dissimilar; Brown is viewed as the most liberal of the Ivy League schools, sometimes being referred to as the "Berkeley of the east." PC is far from the liberal side of the page. 3. PC and Brown have played annually in basketball for an extended period of time; GW and Georgetown have not played annually for an extended period of time. The "little brother" syndrome has been exacerbated by Georgetown's perceived arrogance in not playing GW, not unlike the manner in which Maryland was viewed by Georgetown students in the days of Lefty Driesell when the Terrapins refused to play the Hoyas in the late seventies and eighties. 4. Basketball is not that important at Brown; hockey wins for Brown over PC are more celebrated than basketball wins. Ultimately, Providence does not have to confront the issue of losing an athletic contest to its "little brother," because Brown does not consider itself to be related to Providence at all. PC is simply another college to Brown. Final disclaimer: This is from the parent of a Brown '16, and who has seen and heard this viewpoint firsthand. To put it more simply: it's hard to be the "Little Brother" when you are the academically superior school.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Dec 9, 2014 12:13:38 GMT -5
It's simply not the proper comparison. In basketball terms, Provy playing Brown on an annual basis is more like our playing AU every year. We have, in fact, played AU five out of the last eight years, always at Verizon. We'd never play AU at AU.
The far better comparison for GW is Provy playing URI. URI isn't right down the road, but it's plainly the "local rivalry against a mid-major" team. I believe Provy does go home and home with them.
In any event, I wouldn't play GW at GW, but I'd play them at Verizon every year.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Dec 9, 2014 12:49:31 GMT -5
It's simply not the proper comparison. In basketball terms, Provy playing Brown on an annual basis is more like our playing AU every year. We have, in fact, played AU five out of the last eight years, always at Verizon. We'd never play AU at AU. The far better comparison for GW is Provy playing URI. URI isn't right down the road, but it's plainly the "local rivalry against a mid-major" team. I believe Provy does go home and home with them. In any event, I wouldn't play GW at GW, but I'd play them at Verizon every year. It's Rhode Island....EVERYTHING is right down the road from Providence
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Post by FLHoya on Dec 9, 2014 12:55:00 GMT -5
This is why you don't play teams like GW because it's a lot tougher game than it needs to be due to the little brother rivalry. Isn't that a cowardly approach? Yuuuuuuupppppppppppppppp
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 9, 2014 14:01:47 GMT -5
I'd like to see the Hall knock off #11 Wichita St. tonight on ESPN/ESPN2. 5 Star freshman Isaiah Whitehead is coming off his breakout game -- 25 & 5 dimes, 4 boards, 3 steals and 4/5 from deep in a blow out of Rutgers (of the Big 10... smh). Fellow frosh F Angel Delgado had 10 pts and 13 boards, while veteran guard Sterling Gibbs had 11.
SHU is 7-0. I'd say this game vs. #11 Wichita is stepping up a class but I fear if I did I might offend the GW faithful since SHU already knocked them off 58-54.
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Post by matersammich on Dec 9, 2014 17:54:32 GMT -5
Villanova vs Illinois and Seton Hall vs Wichita State should be good for the conference if we show well. I expect Villanova to win, I hope Seton Hall shows up and gives Wichita State a good game.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 9, 2014 18:32:36 GMT -5
Fingers crossed on SHU. Looks like they're a 12-13 point dog. Go Big East!
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 9, 2014 19:36:07 GMT -5
Villanova vs Illinois and Seton Hall vs Wichita State should be good for the conference if we show well. I expect Villanova to win, I hope Seton Hall shows up and gives Wichita State a good game. Isiah Whitehead sure has showed up with 13 points in first 13 minutes. 3/4 from deep.
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 9, 2014 19:39:30 GMT -5
Isaiah Whitehead is going to be a pain in the neck (or choose another portion of the anatomy) to defend . Correction: He already is. Kevin Willard's got a star at The Hall.
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 9, 2014 19:47:44 GMT -5
At the half: Xavier ahead but struggling against IUPUI, 27-23.
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 9, 2014 19:52:47 GMT -5
Wichita State having little difficulty with Seton Hall, leading 40-25 at the half. Whitehead got teed-up late in the half after hitting a three-point shot and having some words with Shocker coach Greg Marshall; he scored 18 straight points for the Pirates at one stretch. The Hall is helping to beat themselves, with 12 first-half turnovers.
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 9, 2014 20:00:06 GMT -5
At the half in the opening game of the Jimmy V Classic at Madison Square Garden, Villanova leads Illinois, 33-27. Illinois is wearing their traditional gray home uniform. 'Nova killing the Illini on the boards. Hope the refs in this game aren't working the Hoyas and Jayhawks tomorrow.
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