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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 3, 2015 12:26:06 GMT -5
The amazing thing is that BOTH sides lose in the public eye. Goodell comes across as the arbitrary bully that he is, and everyone except Patriots fans still knows that Tommy and the Pats cheated.
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 3, 2015 12:30:45 GMT -5
NFL already announced it will appeal.
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Post by guru on Sept 3, 2015 13:47:16 GMT -5
NFL already announced it will appeal. One absolute that was revealed by this whole ridiculous scenario is the sheer doggedness of the Chowd fan base. They have been foaming at the mouth in the direction of anyone and anything that seems to paint their team in even a mildly negative light since the moment the Kravitz story ran. And they were fairly effective in the court of public opinion. Most fans have long since tired of reading about this stupid case, and just wanted it to go away. But the Chowds kept loudly and vociferously defending the wall. Gotta hand it to them: They may well be the most annoying and entitled fan base in all of sport, but the Boston Sports Fan Will. Not. Retreat. In the end, everyone outside New England (where I just spent 2 weeks on vacation) knows the Pats bend the rules as far as they possibly can, and have been known to break them in the past. The other owners believe this as well - else there's no way they'd have allowed Goodell to push this as far as he did. But this was not the case with which to bury the Patriots franchise, and Brady was not the right scapegoat for them to target. He behaved badly in this situation, but a four game penalty was is and always will be absurd. Anyway, have to admit that I'm now looking forward to Thursday's opener more than I was yesterday.
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Post by kchoya on Sept 3, 2015 14:02:07 GMT -5
One absolute that was revealed by this whole ridiculous scenario is the sheer doggedness of the Chowd fan base. They have been foaming at the mouth in the direction of anyone and anything that seems to paint their team in even a mildly negative light since the moment the Kravitz story ran. And they were fairly effective in the court of public opinion. Most fans have long since tired of reading about this stupid case, and just wanted it to go away. But the Chowds kept loudly and vociferously defending the wall. Gotta hand it to them: They may well be the most annoying and entitled fan base in all of sport, but the Boston Sports Fan Will. Not. Retreat. In the end, everyone outside New England (where I just spent 2 weeks on vacation) knows the Pats bend the rules as far as they possibly can, and have been known to break them in the past. The other owners believe this as well - else there's no way they'd have allowed Goodell to push this as far as he did. But this was not the case with which to bury the Patriots franchise, and Brady was not the right scapegoat for them to target. He behaved badly in this situation, but a four game penalty was is and always will be absurd. Anyway, have to admit that I'm now looking forward to Thursday's opener more than I was yesterday. DanMcq and TC will adamantly deny it, but you're spot on.
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Post by kchoya on Sept 3, 2015 14:04:12 GMT -5
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 3, 2015 14:22:13 GMT -5
The Redskins are just so much fun to watch.
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Post by kchoya on Sept 3, 2015 14:28:51 GMT -5
The Redskins are just so much fun to watch. With Judge Berman ruling in favor of Tom Brady, I'm just so happy that Boston sports fans finally have something to cheer about.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Sept 3, 2015 14:48:13 GMT -5
One absolute that was revealed by this whole ridiculous scenario is the sheer doggedness of the Chowd fan base. They have been foaming at the mouth in the direction of anyone and anything that seems to paint their team in even a mildly negative light since the moment the Kravitz story ran. And they were fairly effective in the court of public opinion. Most fans have long since tired of reading about this stupid case, and just wanted it to go away. But the Chowds kept loudly and vociferously defending the wall. Gotta hand it to them: They may well be the most annoying and entitled fan base in all of sport, but the Boston Sports Fan Will. Not. Retreat. In the end, everyone outside New England (where I just spent 2 weeks on vacation) knows the Pats bend the rules as far as they possibly can, and have been known to break them in the past. The other owners believe this as well - else there's no way they'd have allowed Goodell to push this as far as he did. But this was not the case with which to bury the Patriots franchise, and Brady was not the right scapegoat for them to target. He behaved badly in this situation, but a four game penalty was is and always will be absurd. Anyway, have to admit that I'm now looking forward to Thursday's opener more than I was yesterday. DanMcq and TC will adamantly deny it, but you're spot on. Annoying, fine. Entitled, though? To what? I don't think the average New England fan feels entitled to anything. Why would they? They've won championships hand over fist for the past decade. I never heard Patriots fans complaining the years they didn't win Super Bowls (either about their team or others) as you would expect an entitled fan base to do. And why should they "back down?" I don't think any franchise's fans would back down in a situation as ludicrous as this.
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 3, 2015 19:20:57 GMT -5
Most fans have long since tired of reading about this stupid case, and just wanted it to go away. Not this buffoon: twitter.com/BartHubbuchI'm hurt you did not call. I like the term 'Chowds' but I'm not actually one. If you listen to sports radio in the Boston area, you'll hear knuckleheads that you could easily lump in that category. Try sitting at a Bruins game with your 8 year-old daughter in front of a couple of likkered up Flyers fans goons and you'll know the difference. Judge Berman got it right: Goodell's high-priced legal team and staff behaved at least as arrogantly as you and others accuse the Patriots owners of behaving (don't get me wrong, they're certainly not clean in that regard). There's simply no hard evidence in the house of cards they built to prove the point they constructed from the beginning about Brady and they made up punishments on the fly. You can't let Brett Favre and Jay Feely skate with a fine and no punishment, respectively, for similar 'transgressions' and then whomp a 4 game suspension on a guy where you have no direct evidence he actually did anything and expect anybody with an unbiased brain to buy that baloney. Comparing this alleged offense to PED use as a bridge to justify 4 games is disingenuous at best. Of course, if you view the whole shebang through Hubboch eyes, it really doesn't matter whether there is any evidence of fair process, does it? ...support from a DC area Chowd.
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Post by TC on Sept 4, 2015 6:31:24 GMT -5
The worst thing about this whole case is that they knew it wouldn't hold up when anyone neutral looked at it (whether an outside arbitrator or a judge on appeal), so they fined the Patriots $1M and took away two draft picks because there would be no avenue for any appeal - after the "independent" Wells report completely absolved the franchise, coaching staff, and ownership of any role in this. The only reason for those penalties was as a hedge against the individual penalties against Brady not sticking and the NFL being able to still hold up a trophy scalp after they'd been embarrassed by an arbitrator or judge.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 4, 2015 9:50:32 GMT -5
No, the worst thing about this whole case is that I have to keep hearing about it.
Look, regardless of how it went down, it's a little bit of cheating. I don't give a crap if Brady knew or not. I'd bet most of the quarterbacks in the league do something similar. It's really no different than when most players use questionable blocking techniques, or teams teach things that are illegal but you will get away with them.
It's a lot less cheating than the 1990s/early 2000s Denver Broncos blocking scheme -- which was intentionally trying to injure opponents, bounty gate, the vast amount of designer PEDs in the NFL or the fact that no one seems to care about concussions (really, there's not better helmet)?
But the NE corridor is obsessed with yelling at each other -- seriously, New Yorkers, give it up with your Brady/Belichick obsession. It's creepy at this point. And Boston fans are annoying as Edited as well, but even if Brady isn't squeaky clean (and I doubt he is), who cares? Most of your teams are roided up and doing the same crap.
It doesn't make it right, but we don't need to TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 4, 2015 10:20:02 GMT -5
No, the worst thing about this whole case is that I have to keep hearing about it. ... It doesn't make it right, but we don't need to TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME. Cosign. Exactly the reason I started a new NFL season thread, so this topic could peter out and die a timely death without cluttering up the actual football discussion.
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 4, 2015 19:47:13 GMT -5
No, the worst thing about this whole case is that I have to keep hearing about it. ... It doesn't make it right, but we don't need to TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME. Cosign. Exactly the reason I started a new NFL season thread, so this topic could peter out and die a timely death without cluttering up the actual football discussion. And here I thought you started the new thread because I suggested in this thread that it was time for a new thread when 2015-16 season issues started creeping into this thread. How about that Timothy Tebow?
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Post by kchoya on Sept 8, 2015 13:26:09 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 8, 2015 13:38:02 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on Sept 8, 2015 13:45:08 GMT -5
You're right. With a great rebuttal like this, how can anyone doubt the Patriots:
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 8, 2015 14:03:17 GMT -5
You're right. With a great rebuttal like this, how can anyone doubt the Patriots: Bill Simmons is speaking to YOU, kc!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 8, 2015 14:36:59 GMT -5
The Redskins are just so much fun to watch. With Judge Berman ruling in favor of Tom Brady, I'm just so happy that Boston sports fans finally have something to cheer about. I'm not a Boston fan at all. Or was this just a random reply?
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Post by kchoya on Sept 8, 2015 17:26:18 GMT -5
With Judge Berman ruling in favor of Tom Brady, I'm just so happy that Boston sports fans finally have something to cheer about. I'm not a Boston fan at all. Or was this just a random reply? Not random. Just a reply.
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