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Post by Eurostar on Feb 2, 2016 21:32:31 GMT -5
Was it a breakout or fluke? He just doesn't do much when in there. Kaleb brings defense, Peak has played better of late. He isn't a 30 minute a night guy. I am not gonna bash our head coach and pretending that playing Tre Campbell more is the difference between a mediocre team and a good team. There are clearly wayyyy more problems with this team than just playing Tre Campbell. That being said, you can't play Tre for 15-20 min per game at the 2 guard and say he's not doing much. Players need to know to find him after a rebound and that we are going to push the ball. Like Creighton does with Watson. If you replace Watson with Campbell on Creighton, I think you'd see what Tre can do if given the opportunity. He's literally the only one on the team where I don't cringe when they are running a fast break.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 2, 2016 21:57:55 GMT -5
Tre got all the minutes he deserved tonight. He has played one great game, a number of non-productive games, like tonight.
Tre is one of many problems right now. The truly sad thing is that it does not appear to make any real difference who starts, who comes off the bench, who gets how many minutes.
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This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Feb 2, 2016 23:24:07 GMT -5
Was it a breakout or fluke? He just doesn't do much when in there. Kaleb brings defense, Peak has played better of late. He isn't a 30 minute a night guy. I am not gonna bash our head coach and pretending that playing Tre Campbell more is the difference between a mediocre team and a good team. There are clearly wayyyy more problems with this team than just playing Tre Campbell. That being said, you can't play Tre for 15-20 min per game at the 2 guard and say he's not doing much. Players need to know to find him after a rebound and that we are going to push the ball. Like Creighton does with Watson. If you replace Watson with Campbell on Creighton, I think you'd see what Tre can do if given the opportunity. He's literally the only one on the team where I don't cringe when they are running a fast break. I agree with you on Tre in another system. If players like Tre, Peak, and possibly even Ike played at more of pace that looked to push ball I think the skill sets would be used more efficiently.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Feb 4, 2016 11:12:05 GMT -5
There are clearly wayyyy more problems with this team than just playing Tre Campbell. That being said, you can't play Tre for 15-20 min per game at the 2 guard and say he's not doing much. Players need to know to find him after a rebound and that we are going to push the ball. Like Creighton does with Watson. If you replace Watson with Campbell on Creighton, I think you'd see what Tre can do if given the opportunity. He's literally the only one on the team where I don't cringe when they are running a fast break. I agree with you on Tre in another system. If players like Tre, Peak, and possibly even Ike played at more of pace that looked to push ball I think the skill sets would be used more efficiently. Perhaps, this is the issue of JT3 of not being able to recruit guards in his system.
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Post by This Just In on Feb 4, 2016 11:18:13 GMT -5
I agree with you on Tre in another system. If players like Tre, Peak, and possibly even Ike played at more of pace that looked to push ball I think the skill sets would be used more efficiently. Perhaps, this is the issue of JT3 of not being able to recruit guards in his system. The team is 13-10, with 8 games left... Do you have a prediction on what the final record will be?
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 4, 2016 11:31:37 GMT -5
Perhaps, this is the issue of JT3 of not being able to recruit guards in his system. The team is 13-10, with 8 games left... Do you have a prediction on what the final record will be? Can you just make a thread for this question already instead of asking every poster individually...
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Feb 4, 2016 11:37:44 GMT -5
Perhaps, this is the issue of JT3 of not being able to recruit guards in his system. The team is 13-10, with 8 games left... Do you have a prediction on what the final record will be? I hate to say it, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a sub .500 BE conference record
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Post by This Just In on Feb 4, 2016 11:44:01 GMT -5
The team is 13-10, with 8 games left... Do you have a prediction on what the final record will be? Can you just make a thread for this question already instead of asking every poster individually... Speaking of.... What is your prediction?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 12:03:23 GMT -5
If you replace Tre with Watson Creighton would be not so good.He's shooting 33% from the field and 1 assist in 20 min. Those numbers don't play in any system cmon now... Same with Ike who the system favors
Both kids are way better than what they've shown but it's poor play not poor fit
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 12:04:26 GMT -5
Anyways Happy B-day to Tre!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 4, 2016 13:07:26 GMT -5
There are clearly wayyyy more problems with this team than just playing Tre Campbell. That being said, you can't play Tre for 15-20 min per game at the 2 guard and say he's not doing much. Players need to know to find him after a rebound and that we are going to push the ball. Like Creighton does with Watson. If you replace Watson with Campbell on Creighton, I think you'd see what Tre can do if given the opportunity. He's literally the only one on the team where I don't cringe when they are running a fast break. I agree with you on Tre in another system. If players like Tre, Peak, and possibly even Ike played at more of pace that looked to push ball I think the skill sets would be used more efficiently. So that's the direction we're taking now - it is not the players' fault they are woefully underperforming, it is all the fault of the system? Wow.
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Post by sleepy on Feb 6, 2016 12:08:49 GMT -5
Do you people actually watch Campbell play the game. Blame it on the system if you want but even when he pushes the ball on a break he has no fundamental understanding of where to put the ball on the floor ie run a break with option out of the middle. he is more prone to drive directly at the basket and look to take a little floater than from an angle and take contact. Does he even have a left hand has he ever attacked from the left side. We get caught up in the 2 beautiful passes he has made to Peak on a breakbut the number of missed layup attempts and failure to draw fouls drives me crazy. Outside of Xavier has he shot like a legitimate 2 i dont think so. His passing and ball handling are not even close to being adequate at this level.
And Offense is the best part of his game. His defense is what keeps him on the bench for extended periods of time. I still, after 2 years cannot understand why he was evaluated so highly ranking wise at the 100 level. How did the staff who should have seen him quite a bit think they recruited a talent that would be making a serious contribution by his sophmore year.
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Post by sleepy on Feb 6, 2016 12:10:17 GMT -5
That said above ,I really hopes he goes for twenty and 5 assists tonight and makes me look like a fool.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Feb 6, 2016 15:11:42 GMT -5
Do you people actually watch Campbell play the game. Blame it on the system if you want but even when he pushes the ball on a break he has no fundamental understanding of where to put the ball on the floor ie run a break with option out of the middle. he is more prone to drive directly at the basket and look to take a little floater than from an angle and take contact. Does he even have a left hand has he ever attacked from the left side. We get caught up in the 2 beautiful passes he has made to Peak on a breakbut the number of missed layup attempts and failure to draw fouls drives me crazy. Outside of Xavier has he shot like a legitimate 2 i dont think so. His passing and ball handling are not even close to being adequate at this level. And Offense is the best part of his game. His defense is what keeps him on the bench for extended periods of time. I still, after 2 years cannot understand why he was evaluated so highly ranking wise at the 100 level. How did the staff who should have seen him quite a bit think they recruited a talent that would be making a serious contribution by his sophmore year. Sleepy I agree with most of what you said above. Tre's biggest issue is indecisiveness. When he is decisive on offense, he looks a lot better, plays with confidence, shots start to fall and the rest of his game including his defensive intensity picks up tremendously. In the Xavier game, where he came out firing. Tre played with a ton of confidence including a 1 on 1 fast break pull up for 3 where I don't know about you but I screamed at the TV "what are you doing.....Oh nice shot". That takes major confidence and decisiveness. Other then that game and parts of the St. John's game Tre has looked hesitant and unsure even on wide open shots on good looks all season long. I also think that Melo Trimble's success with the twerps reflects negatively on Tre when he plays poorly because right or wrong the narrative looks like the staff could have possibly had Trimble instead of Tre. I personally don't think that's fair and the case but I can see how some people do view that way.
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Post by sleepy on Feb 6, 2016 19:54:34 GMT -5
Hoyas4Ever I'm with you on indecisiveness or lost confidence with Tre. I'm sure that is a result of the quick hook that III has had for him since last year when he wasn't performing to the level needed on both sides of the ball. And yes I did exactly the same thing when he pulled up for the 22 footer. He use to be consistent from the corner and the leftside key extended but when he misses a couple he seems to put those shots away. At this point he is not a lead guard and depending on the five on the floor with him his defensive liabilities are just too much. Perhaps he and Ike need to visit Dr Lic together.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 6, 2016 23:38:48 GMT -5
IMO, Tre wasn't that good last year, and has played worse this year. Last year, he shot the ball well in stretches, and aggressively and effectively took the ball to the basket on the break. But overall, I didn't think he played that well. I was hoping he would be better this yr...
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Post by gunny on Feb 6, 2016 23:50:10 GMT -5
We are going to a 5th year senior graduate transfer. He can nor be depended on for major minutes next year.
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Post by sleepy on Feb 6, 2016 23:55:08 GMT -5
IMO, Tre wasn't that good last year, and has played worse this year. Last year, he shot the ball well in stretches, and aggressively and effectively took the ball to the basket on the break. But overall, I didn't think he played that well. I was hoping he would be better this yr... Knowing how positive you are about the program you subtley echo the concerns of many. IMO his failure to take the next step and the one that was expected coming in here has been more damaging than the production lapses of Ike and roster injuries. More concerning is looking forward to next year. At this point it looks like a repeat of this year at best.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 6, 2016 23:59:45 GMT -5
2 straight goose eggs. Even Hoyatalk whipping boy Nate never did that.
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Post by gunny on Feb 7, 2016 0:18:15 GMT -5
2 straight goose eggs. Even Hoyatalk whipping boy Nate never did that. Or Hopkins
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