rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 6, 2016 12:32:20 GMT -5
Lost in all of this is that Tre is not the only player who failed to make the improvement expected last season. Not saying he will this year or ever, but Copeland was inconsistent, LJ came on late after some very uneven performances, Reggie started fast and faded, White missed the season, Hayes missed a crucial stretch of conference games, and Trey showed some flashes when given the opportunity. There are so many reasons for a season like this past year and while improved guard play by Tre (and others) would have helped, so too would better rebounding, coaching, shooting, passing and defense. Everyone connected with this team had a poor season. There have been lots of changes---new players and coaches coming, White and Hayes returning and hopefully better results. I don't think anyone singled out Tre as the main reason, or even one of the reasons for why we underperformed this past year....or did I miss something?
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Post by calhoya on Jun 6, 2016 15:44:21 GMT -5
Lost in all of this is that Tre is not the only player who failed to make the improvement expected last season. Not saying he will this year or ever, but Copeland was inconsistent, LJ came on late after some very uneven performances, Reggie started fast and faded, White missed the season, Hayes missed a crucial stretch of conference games, and Trey showed some flashes when given the opportunity. There are so many reasons for a season like this past year and while improved guard play by Tre (and others) would have helped, so too would better rebounding, coaching, shooting, passing and defense. Everyone connected with this team had a poor season. There have been lots of changes---new players and coaches coming, White and Hayes returning and hopefully better results. I don't think anyone singled out Tre as the main reason, or even one of the reasons for why we underperformed this past year....or did I miss something? You are right rock-- I cannot say that anyone specifically blamed the season on Tre. However,there are many comments over many pages on the overall guard situation as a problem this past season and in that context Tre's shortcomings or limitations.
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Post by SaxaCD on Jun 6, 2016 22:36:15 GMT -5
I like "personal quarrels"!
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jun 7, 2016 7:08:39 GMT -5
My recommendation for this thread is to break it up into six books. When shooting the movie, the sixth book should be filmed in two parts. We just need to cast for young Tre if we space the films out properly.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 7, 2016 10:58:15 GMT -5
My recommendation for this thread is to break it up into six books. When shooting the movie, the sixth book should be filmed in two parts. We just need to cast for young Tre if we space the films out properly. kc has already nailed his casting with his avatar. But who plays eagle? And with Professor Irwin Corey gone, I suppose it is Christopher Lloyd by default in the role of lic?
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Post by eagle54 on Jun 7, 2016 21:19:43 GMT -5
My recommendation for this thread is to break it up into six books. When shooting the movie, the sixth book should be filmed in two parts. We just need to cast for young Tre if we space the films out properly. kc has already nailed his casting with his avatar. But who plays eagle? And with Professor Irwin Corey gone, I suppose it is Christopher Lloyd by default in the role of lic? I need to produce and direct or I'm sure you would all get my character wrong. I'm the hero in the end when we force change and actually have success rather than follow the status quo to the bottom of our league. It's a plot that's been told before but would fit this script well. - for you Spirit.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 7, 2016 22:24:04 GMT -5
I didn't realize it was a sci-fi fantasy series.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Jun 7, 2016 22:34:39 GMT -5
I didn't realize it was a sci-fi fantasy series. Sci-Fi would be this regime figuring something other than the continual decline we have seen. Don't see it happening Mr. Spock. Just look at our performance in the new BE and tell me that's not a colassal failure as the program that was supposed to be the standard bearer when we broke off. We now are a lesser program than what I think we all viewed as our lesser rival Villanova (not Syracuse anymore) but that school that we said once got lucky in '85. They are now the more historical and better program (2 NC's in a small catholic school) and they are doing that with the same bs restraint excuses this board uses for this program. I think none of you actually view reality but rather pump each other up and then get crazy when someone points to reality. Instead of Hoyatalk, I'd rename it Homertalk.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jun 7, 2016 23:19:30 GMT -5
I didn't realize it was a sci-fi fantasy series. Sci-Fi would be this regime figuring something other than the continual decline we have seen. Don't see it happening Mr. Spock. Just look at our performance in the new BE and tell me that's not a colassal failure as the program that was supposed to be the standard bearer when we broke off. We now are a lesser program than what I think we all viewed as our lesser rival Villanova (not Syracuse anymore) but that school that we said once got lucky in '85. They are now the more historical and better program (2 NC's in a small catholic school) and they are doing that with the same bs restraint excuses this board uses for this program. I think none of you actually view reality but rather pump each other up and then get crazy when someone points to reality. Instead of Hoyatalk, I'd rename it Homertalk. If we're talking about Homertalk...I'm in No one here will deny to you that the Georgetown program has been a failure in the new Big East, especially since we had all hoped we would be a flag bearer. It's unfortunate Villanova has not only taken our place but even won the ultimate goal last year...in every other alternate universe it should be us. At the same time though, they did it much in the same way that many of us hope Georgetown basketball operates (a family that works hard together). One of the arguments against the high level of spending by the program used to be that it was impossible for a private university (outside of Duke) to realistically win a National Championship. Now Villanova has proven that is not true and many of us will agree that the excuse is not valid. We agree that a school in our position can be competing for a championship, but unfortunately we have not recently. All of us agree with the reality that the Hoya program needs to do better, most discussions just begin with an understanding of that unpleasant truth and thus discuss topics that are still up in the air (emphasis on most!). Although I try not to group everyone in this board into one viewpoint, because as you've found out, no one agrees. By the way, if you want to talk about declining regimes, I'm surprised you're not more active on the CFB board or the Men's Lacrosse/Baseball/Softball/Swimming threads. In fact, if we believe that the person in charge needs to take responsibility, we need to recognize the basketball coach isn't the most influential position in the University.
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Post by eagle54 on Jun 7, 2016 23:36:00 GMT -5
Hometown, thanks for the post. We can debate rationally unlike so many on this board that aren't realistic and have a myopic view of this program. I'm more than upset with Nova winning the NC with so many around me who are alums that won't let me forget it. I just feel this board emulates this program that is so cavalier about what we are. We aren't in a position to act that way. Time to start drumming up support, communicating with the fanbase and doing things differently (as what we are doing is clearly failing).
I've made my points on the LAX program's decline here but not on those boards you mention. I believe this (basketball) is the only program the university invests in and the others are working with a severe handicap and I won't criticize them for that but rather the school's administration. We may be the most lopsided bunch of collegiate teams in terms of funding in the country. Maybe we could find some success in that.
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Post by seaweed on Jun 8, 2016 5:53:20 GMT -5
Many of us learned that nova is not a "lesser rival" back in April 85
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 9:03:48 GMT -5
Well at least mine and 4evers back and forth was actually on thread topic....
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Post by prhoya on Jun 8, 2016 12:05:55 GMT -5
Looking forward to seeing if he walks the walk...
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Post by eagle54 on Jun 9, 2016 21:57:24 GMT -5
Many of us learned that nova is not a "lesser rival" back in April 85 No one thought that back then. You've apologized for that loss for the past 25 years? No one here believes we should have lost that game it was a game where we were outcoached by a team who executed by killing clock with no shot clock and not missing shots. Should have never happened if we used the talent we had against our opponent. How far are we from a National Championship let alone a tournament win?
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jun 10, 2016 7:08:53 GMT -5
We are going to win it all this season. No need to wait for Kenner to state this.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 10, 2016 10:36:28 GMT -5
Many of us learned that nova is not a "lesser rival" back in April 85 No one thought that back then. You've apologized for that loss for the past 25 years? No one here believes we should have lost that game it was a game where we were outcoached by a team who executed by killing clock with no shot clock and not missing shots. Should have never happened if we used the talent we had against our opponent. How far are we from a National Championship let alone a tournament win? I don't think we are that far from a tournament win or two; we have more pieces to work with next season, if they mesh we can have some postseason success. A national title? That may take awhile.
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Post by kchoya on Jun 10, 2016 11:22:08 GMT -5
Many of us learned that nova is not a "lesser rival" back in April 85 No one thought that back then. You've apologized for that loss for the past 25 years? No one here believes we should have lost that game it was a game where we were outcoached by a team who executed by killing clock with no shot clock and not missing shots. Should have never happened if we used the talent we had against our opponent. How far are we from a National Championship let alone a tournament win? Damn, now you're bitching about the coaching JT2 did 30 years ago? You're unbelievable. BTW, we're only 1 season removed from a tournament win.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 10, 2016 17:19:47 GMT -5
By July the blame will be placed where it truly lies - John Thompson Sr.
Genetic deficiencies.
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Post by eagle54 on Jun 13, 2016 21:55:01 GMT -5
By July the blame will be placed where it truly lies - John Thompson Sr. Genetic deficiencies. Maybe just too long of all of you holding onto the past and not addressing our decline from relevance.
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Post by seaweed on Jun 13, 2016 22:35:51 GMT -5
By July the blame will be placed where it truly lies - John Thompson Sr. Genetic deficiencies. Maybe just too long of all of you holding onto the past and not addressing our decline from relevance. Lic is the only one certified to examine problems that only exist in your mind and I am near certain you won't consent to that!
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