SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jun 1, 2016 13:59:21 GMT -5
Would it be OK with you guys if we just let this one go for the time being?
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 1, 2016 14:38:50 GMT -5
Well, before ewe let it go, let me just say that if these posters on the board who have been talking trash about Tre were trying to motivate him I hope it works. It's a pity that we don't ever go back and call them out on their earlier posts when season starts.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 1, 2016 19:26:38 GMT -5
Well, before ewe let it go, let me just say that if these posters on the board who have been talking trash about Tre were trying to motivate him I hope it works. It's a pity that we don't ever go back and call them out on their earlier posts when season starts. We don't???
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 1, 2016 20:31:23 GMT -5
Well, before ewe let it go, let me just say that if these posters on the board who have been talking trash about Tre were trying to motivate him I hope it works. It's a pity that we don't ever go back and call them out on their earlier posts when season starts. We don't??? Well, I was exaggerating there so that in this instance we remember the negative comments about Tre. You know what gets me even worst than that is we somehow don't see these young players as human beings who deserved to be respected and encouraged, not always put down.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Jun 1, 2016 20:44:33 GMT -5
So I've been rewatching some of the games from this past season (an exercise akin to individually tearing each of your nails out with a plier) and noticed a couple things about Tre's defense that were interesting. From what I could tell, his problem wasn't so much being able to stay in front of his defender but bad decision making/size disadvantages. Regarding decision making, at least in the Maryland game when he was in I'd notice he'd leave his defender to try and get a steal from Maryland's big man posting up against Hayes. More often than not they would swing the ball out to the perimeter, LJ/DSR would have to leave their man to contest the shot, and then the player they were defending would get the ball and take an open three. Regarding size, he really could not get past the center in pick and rolls and that would leave Hayes left to defend against Melo Trimble (which always meant to free throws). Good decision making is something that comes with experience, and I'm sure some of those boneheaded mistakes will decrease in time. Likewise I believe he can improve his ability to defend the pick and roll by anticipating it before it comes better, he'd usually be caught off guard. His abilities offensively are a completely different question, but all I could tell was having him and DSR on the court together really didn't seem like a good decision. Without DSR on the team next year, who know's how Tre will be on that side of the ball. My point in bringing all this is up is just to say that I think we may have jumped the gun a bit on giving up on Tre. I'm going to keep watching video to get a better idea, but to me at least it seemed like a lot of his problems this past season were definitely fixable. At the very least we should stop mocking what the kid does on social media, that's just petty. If he's putting in the time to improve his game and help the team out then I'm overjoyed to have him play in a Hoya uniform. Did you say you are rewatching tape of last year's games? I don't think I read that right before. That's a true fan as I don't even think our staff would bother themselves with that. Nice work. You're like the Ron Jaworski of Hoya basketball breaking down the tape. I like it.
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Post by trillesthoya on Jun 1, 2016 22:31:14 GMT -5
So I've been rewatching some of the games from this past season (an exercise akin to individually tearing each of your nails out with a plier) and noticed a couple things about Tre's defense that were interesting. From what I could tell, his problem wasn't so much being able to stay in front of his defender but bad decision making/size disadvantages. Regarding decision making, at least in the Maryland game when he was in I'd notice he'd leave his defender to try and get a steal from Maryland's big man posting up against Hayes. More often than not they would swing the ball out to the perimeter, LJ/DSR would have to leave their man to contest the shot, and then the player they were defending would get the ball and take an open three. Regarding size, he really could not get past the center in pick and rolls and that would leave Hayes left to defend against Melo Trimble (which always meant to free throws). Good decision making is something that comes with experience, and I'm sure some of those boneheaded mistakes will decrease in time. Likewise I believe he can improve his ability to defend the pick and roll by anticipating it before it comes better, he'd usually be caught off guard. His abilities offensively are a completely different question, but all I could tell was having him and DSR on the court together really didn't seem like a good decision. Without DSR on the team next year, who know's how Tre will be on that side of the ball. My point in bringing all this is up is just to say that I think we may have jumped the gun a bit on giving up on Tre. I'm going to keep watching video to get a better idea, but to me at least it seemed like a lot of his problems this past season were definitely fixable. At the very least we should stop mocking what the kid does on social media, that's just petty. If he's putting in the time to improve his game and help the team out then I'm overjoyed to have him play in a Hoya uniform. Did you say you are rewatching tape of last year's games? I don't think I read that right before. That's a true fan as I don't even think our staff would bother themselves with that. Nice work. You're like the Ron Jaworski of Hoya basketball breaking down the tape. I like it. 1. I said I was going to rewatch tape to make clear that what little I have watched could be overly simplistic and that my statements were in no way definitive about Tre's abilities 2. True, maybe they can add me on as assistant director of basketball operations. Make it happen hoyatalk. My qualifications include 4 years of intramural play.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Jun 1, 2016 22:35:16 GMT -5
Did you say you are rewatching tape of last year's games? I don't think I read that right before. That's a true fan as I don't even think our staff would bother themselves with that. Nice work. You're like the Ron Jaworski of Hoya basketball breaking down the tape. I like it. 1. I said I was going to rewatch tape to make clear that what little I have watched could be overly simplistic and that my statements were in no way definitive about Tre's abilities 2. True, maybe they can add me on as assistant director of basketball operations. Make it happen hoyatalk. My qualifications include 4 years of intramural play. I'd back you for the job. Not about your historical play but your ability to break down the tape. Something lacking on the current staff.
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Post by seaweed on Jun 2, 2016 4:50:49 GMT -5
1. I said I was going to rewatch tape to make clear that what little I have watched could be overly simplistic and that my statements were in no way definitive about Tre's abilities 2. True, maybe they can add me on as assistant director of basketball operations. Make it happen hoyatalk. My qualifications include 4 years of intramural play. I'd back you for the job. Not about your historical play but your ability to break down the tape. Something lacking on the current staff. Two highly regarded new assistant on the job less than one month and you already cutting down their ability to read tape. Thus is the legitimacy of your relentlessly, baseless negative opinion.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 2, 2016 7:01:53 GMT -5
Did you say you are rewatching tape of last year's games? I don't think I read that right before. That's a true fan as I don't even think our staff would bother themselves with that. Nice work. You're like the Ron Jaworski of Hoya basketball breaking down the tape. I like it. 1. I said I was going to rewatch tape to make clear that what little I have watched could be overly simplistic and that my statements were in no way definitive about Tre's abilities 2. True, maybe they can add me on as assistant director of basketball operations. Make it happen hoyatalk. My qualifications include 4 years of intramural play. Depends. Did you play PG??
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Post by blueandgray on Jun 2, 2016 7:37:15 GMT -5
Just want to say this about Tre. He's one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet and he is the ultimate teammate. While Tre showed some flashes as a freshman that he might develop into a BE level starter....he was never recruited as that. He often struggled to score or take over a game at the high school level. We've been trying to recruit a lead guard ever since he stepped foot on campus and Tre has tried to help in that cause by touring kids around on their visits.
Would it be great to see Tre play more games like he did against Xavier...sure it would. But demanding he plays that way just shows how little some of you know about our team and the game.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Jun 2, 2016 8:02:18 GMT -5
When's Kenner?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 2, 2016 11:39:59 GMT -5
Just want to say this about Tre. He's one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet and he is the ultimate teammate. While Tre showed some flashes as a freshman that he might develop into a BE level starter....he was never recruited as that. He often struggled to score or take over a game at the high school level. We've been trying to recruit a lead guard ever since he stepped foot on campus and Tre has tried to help in that cause by touring kids around on their visits. Would it be great to see Tre play more games like he did against Xavier...sure it would. But demanding he plays that way just shows how little some of you know about our team and the game. B&G - very interesting that the staff never pictured Tre as more than a role player - shows how little I know, I just assumed the staff has thoughts that every recruit could become a starter at some point. That said, I have no problems with Tre in that role, and am thrilled to hear how supportive and helpful he is with recruits. As for on the court - as a role player he needs to be far more solid on defense!
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Jun 2, 2016 20:51:18 GMT -5
I'd back you for the job. Not about your historical play but your ability to break down the tape. Something lacking on the current staff. Two highly regarded new assistant on the job less than one month and you already cutting down their ability to read tape. Thus is the legitimacy of your relentlessly, baseless negative opinion. And you know their ability to read tape? I think the exchange was a bit tongue-in-cheek as I don't know what the new assistants can or can't do in that regards but I'm glad you do. I do know that prior to this upcoming season, this staff hasn't appeared to do much of reading any tape as they haven't adjusted to much especially in March with far superior players on their side. I also resent your accusations of my legitimacy and negative opinions. I believe I have a fairly unbiased and very realistic view of this program even though I remain as much a fan of it as anyone else. Blind loyalty versus pushing for changes to improve shouldn't get confused as who's more of a fan. I don't worry about people calling me negative around here as what's considered negative on this board is just someone pointing to reality in most cases. And there's Rock liking this sloppy post of yours since he's no longer getting attacked for his comments on Tre. Way to pile on. Seaweed is the same one calling you arrogant and what's wrong with the fanbase.
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Jun 2, 2016 22:06:20 GMT -5
Just want to say this about Tre. He's one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet and he is the ultimate teammate. While Tre showed some flashes as a freshman that he might develop into a BE level starter....he was never recruited as that. He often struggled to score or take over a game at the high school level. We've been trying to recruit a lead guard ever since he stepped foot on campus and Tre has tried to help in that cause by touring kids around on their visits. Would it be great to see Tre play more games like he did against Xavier...sure it would. But demanding he plays that way just shows how little some of you know about our team and the game. B&G - very interesting that the staff never pictured Tre as more than a role player - shows how little I know, I just assumed the staff has thoughts that every recruit could become a starter at some point. That said, I have no problems with Tre in that role, and am thrilled to hear how supportive and helpful he is with recruits. As for on the court - as a role player he needs to be far more solid on defense! Agree 100%.
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Post by dreamhoya on Jun 2, 2016 22:13:49 GMT -5
B&G - very interesting that the staff never pictured Tre as more than a role player - shows how little I know, I just assumed the staff has thoughts that every recruit could become a starter at some point. That said, I have no problems with Tre in that role, and am thrilled to hear how supportive and helpful he is with recruits. As for on the court - as a role player he needs to be far more solid on defense! Agree 100%. I think Tre will be valuable come senior year. His thing is consistency and gym work. Keep doing what you're doing Tre this offseason, you can be a very good player.
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Post by guru on Jun 3, 2016 9:16:41 GMT -5
Two highly regarded new assistant on the job less than one month and you already cutting down their ability to read tape. Thus is the legitimacy of your relentlessly, baseless negative opinion. And you know their ability to read tape? I think the exchange was a bit tongue-in-cheek as I don't know what the new assistants can or can't do in that regards but I'm glad you do. I do know that prior to this upcoming season, this staff hasn't appeared to do much of reading any tape as they haven't adjusted to much especially in March with far superior players on their side. I also resent your accusations of my legitimacy and negative opinions. I believe I have a fairly unbiased and very realistic view of this program even though I remain as much a fan of it as anyone else. Blind loyalty versus pushing for changes to improve shouldn't get confused as who's more of a fan. I don't worry about people calling me negative around here as what's considered negative on this board is just someone pointing to reality in most cases. And there's Rock liking this sloppy post of yours since he's no longer getting attacked for his comments on Tre. Way to pile on. Seaweed is the same one calling you arrogant and what's wrong with the fanbase. Friend, tracking and caring about who's "liking" various posts? Are you perhaps a middle school girl? I think you may need a break from the board - you seem far more invested in petty personal feuds with other posters than substantive discussion about how to turn around this program.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jun 3, 2016 10:52:15 GMT -5
He has more than sufficient quickness for the high-major level, although he does not always seem that explosive. Streaky shooter. Good handle although inconsistent with his decisions. Hard worker and seems like a great guy. I will take that all day long, as long as the program (as it obviously is) continues to shoot for the dynamic, game-changing players that also are necessary.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Jun 3, 2016 18:21:31 GMT -5
And you know their ability to read tape? I think the exchange was a bit tongue-in-cheek as I don't know what the new assistants can or can't do in that regards but I'm glad you do. I do know that prior to this upcoming season, this staff hasn't appeared to do much of reading any tape as they haven't adjusted to much especially in March with far superior players on their side. I also resent your accusations of my legitimacy and negative opinions. I believe I have a fairly unbiased and very realistic view of this program even though I remain as much a fan of it as anyone else. Blind loyalty versus pushing for changes to improve shouldn't get confused as who's more of a fan. I don't worry about people calling me negative around here as what's considered negative on this board is just someone pointing to reality in most cases. And there's Rock liking this sloppy post of yours since he's no longer getting attacked for his comments on Tre. Way to pile on. Seaweed is the same one calling you arrogant and what's wrong with the fanbase. Friend, tracking and caring about who's "liking" various posts? Are you perhaps a middle school girl? I think you may need a break from the board - you seem far more invested in petty personal feuds with other posters than substantive discussion about how to turn around this program. Sorry to interrupt the substantive discussion on turning around the program as it has been riveting. Hoping you can add something of value at some point as I'm sure you've just been holding back. Maybe another hundred posts on Tre's expected contribution for next year and what he needs to work on will make us a top ten team that can win a tournament game.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 3, 2016 19:49:33 GMT -5
Friend, tracking and caring about who's "liking" various posts? Are you perhaps a middle school girl? I think you may need a break from the board - you seem far more invested in petty personal feuds with other posters than substantive discussion about how to turn around this program. Sorry to interrupt the substantive discussion on turning around the program as it has been riveting. Hoping you can add something of value at some point as I'm sure you've just been holding back. Maybe another hundred posts on Tre's expected contribution for next year and what he needs to work on will make us a top ten team that can win a tournament game. I get your pique eagle - but man, you criticizing a poster for 100 posts making the same exact point is the classic pot/kettle scenario!
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Jun 3, 2016 21:59:46 GMT -5
Sorry to interrupt the substantive discussion on turning around the program as it has been riveting. Hoping you can add something of value at some point as I'm sure you've just been holding back. Maybe another hundred posts on Tre's expected contribution for next year and what he needs to work on will make us a top ten team that can win a tournament game. I get your pique eagle - but man, you criticizing a poster for 100 posts making the same exact point is the classic pot/kettle scenario! At least you get my pigue and I do appreciate that. My point still hasn't been addressed adequately so it still needs to be made. I'll be our biggest cheerleader when we someday find some meaningful success. 2007 was a long time ago.
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