Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Aug 20, 2014 13:31:40 GMT -5
Let me repeat it one last time for the terminally obstinate. I do not know if the cop has a fractured orbital bone. It has been reported.
If he has a fractured orbital bone I believe that might be an important consideration In what happened.
If you can not comprehend that I can no longer assist you.
You want me to cop to baiting or trolling. Great. Now you can cop to totally prejudging this case before the facts are known.
See I can play your game too.
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quickplay
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Post by quickplay on Aug 20, 2014 13:40:27 GMT -5
"Now you can cop to totally prejudging this case before the facts are known.
See I can play your game too." Again, point out where I've done that, please.
"It has been reported." Oh okay it was just repeating the claim of a single, partisan, unverified source then reported as fact in a snarky comment. Just to enhance the discussion. "You want me to cop to baiting or trolling." Um, yes. Because that is exactly what you do.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Aug 20, 2014 13:44:35 GMT -5
Thank you your Honor. I will respect your ruling.
Now Edited
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quickplay
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Post by quickplay on Aug 20, 2014 13:52:54 GMT -5
Thank you your Honor. I will respect your ruling. Now EditedZero intellectual honesty, zero class. At least you're consistent.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Aug 20, 2014 13:58:23 GMT -5
Attaboy. Keep on judging.
You will be whistling out the other end if you're wrong though.
I admit I don't know what happened there. What if the cop did get his face fractured? Wouldn't that matter? I guess not.
Insult me at will. I consider the source and ignore it.
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quickplay
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Post by quickplay on Aug 20, 2014 14:16:38 GMT -5
Wrong? About what? You're the one confusing facts and assertions. You've said multiple times that I think I know everything, that I may be wrong; seriously what are you talking about?
Getting testy and rude because people have nerve to interrupt your baiting with requests for backup and context? It's pathetic.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Aug 21, 2014 2:22:45 GMT -5
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Aug 21, 2014 4:37:56 GMT -5
Or they could at least have just shot him in the leg to stop his advance. Vox? That's a source for you.
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Post by Boz on Aug 21, 2014 7:53:34 GMT -5
Or they could at least have just shot him in the leg to stop his advance. Vox? That's a source for you. I will (as I have demonstrated) be as critical of Vox as anyone, but the video is not from Vox, and from that it sure looks like they didn't have to shoot when they did.
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Post by TC on Aug 21, 2014 8:57:34 GMT -5
I agree with you that they did not have to shoot him. They could have tased him. However, that situation is vastly different and more justifiable than either account of the Michael Brown situation. He was clearly armed with a knife, disregarded the police instructions, did not stop, and advanced on police. Police do have the right to defend themselves. The final sentence of the Vox story is the takeaway though and I don't think it has anything to do with race whatsoever given every horror story I've read like this - would you ever call police on a mentally ill relative?
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Post by TC on Aug 21, 2014 14:57:11 GMT -5
Boom goes the dynamite
"Reports that Ofc Darren Wilson had a bruised or fractured eye socket are false."
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Post by ksf42001 on Aug 21, 2014 15:28:16 GMT -5
Boom goes the dynamite "Reports that Ofc Darren Wilson had a bruised or fractured eye socket are false." You knew that was going to be the case just as soon as the story suddenly went from the top story on Drudge last night to being relegated to the bottom of the page shortly later, to being completely removed after less than 24 hours...
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Aug 21, 2014 16:12:12 GMT -5
I was wrong on that factual assertion. Thus the issue of the cops injuries is now closed.
The rest of the facts remain to be developed.
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Post by deacon on Aug 21, 2014 19:14:12 GMT -5
Boom goes the dynamite "Reports that Ofc Darren Wilson had a bruised or fractured eye socket are false." You knew that was going to be the case just as soon as the story suddenly went from the top story on Drudge last night to being relegated to the bottom of the page shortly later, to being completely removed after less than 24 hours... You knew that was gonna be the case once Wilson never called for medical help on the scene. It was ludicrous from the jump but for those who want Warren to be innocent, they'll believe anything no matter how ridiculous it is on the surface.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Aug 21, 2014 19:42:35 GMT -5
And those who espouse his prejudgment guilt are all of pure motive...
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Post by TBird41 on Aug 21, 2014 20:28:18 GMT -5
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Post by thebin on Aug 22, 2014 10:59:39 GMT -5
I agree with you that they did not have to shoot him. They could have tased him. However, that situation is vastly different and more justifiable than either account of the Michael Brown situation. He was clearly armed with a knife, disregarded the police instructions, did not stop, and advanced on police. Police do have the right to defend themselves. The final sentence of the Vox story is the takeaway though and I don't think it has anything to do with race whatsoever given every horror story I've read like this - would you ever call police on a mentally ill relative? I'll go one further. Be careful calling the police to your house if you have a dog that barks at strangers....decent chance they will feel threatened and shoot Fido on site.
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 22, 2014 14:49:06 GMT -5
3-3.9 Discretion in the Charging Decision (a) A prosecutor should not institute, or cause to be instituted, or permit the continued pendency of criminal charges when the prosecutor knows that the charges are not supported by probable cause. A prosecutor should not institute, cause to be instituted, or permit the continued pendency of criminal charges in the absence of sufficient admissible evidence to support a conviction. I read the last sentence to indicate that a prosecutor should not secure an indictment from a grand jury if he or she does believe that there is sufficient evidence for a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt. www.americanbar.org/publications/criminal_justice_section_archive/crimjust_standards_pfunc_blk.html
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 22, 2014 14:57:20 GMT -5
I agree with you that they did not have to shoot him. They could have tased him. However, that situation is vastly different and more justifiable than either account of the Michael Brown situation. He was clearly armed with a knife, disregarded the police instructions, did not stop, and advanced on police. Police do have the right to defend themselves. The final sentence of the Vox story is the takeaway though and I don't think it has anything to do with race whatsoever given every horror story I've read like this - would you ever call police on a mentally ill relative? I don't know what St. Louis PD are allowed to use with respective to non-lethal force, but in here in DC, the police aren't allowed to use tasers. The son of my former supervisor at the Department of Justice is a DC cop, and he has been in physical altercations with numerous suspects, and he either has to physically fight the suspect or if he feels that his life or the life of another is in danger, use his firearm and shoot to kill. No real middle ground. There is no such thing as shooting to wound or a warning shot (which I believe is pretty standard for US law enforcement). Personally, I think the DC police decision to preclude use of lasers is stupid. And all police should have body cameras, IMHO.
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Post by EasyEd on Aug 22, 2014 18:42:45 GMT -5
One of my family members was a police officer so I'm not going to comment on the Ferguson case because I can't be completely unbiased.
As others have said, a police officer is sometimes called upon to chase a suspect on foot, scale fences, physically fight and other instances of physical activity. So I am against anything that gets in the way of his/her being able to do these things. The officer is usually carrying a pistol, ammo, nightstick and body armor, all making it difficult to do any of these. The idea of requiring the officer to have a body camera is just another item that will interfere with the ability to do the job of a police officer.
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