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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 13, 2014 20:11:48 GMT -5
Eh, I really doubt we do a 10-man or 11-man rotation long term, but I'm not very sure where the team lands. How real is Hayes' improvement? Will we need Campbell at point to back up DSR or will Trawick (or someone else) swing over?
I don't think we're going to be as offensively balanced as some do:
DSR - 17 Smith - 16 Trawick - 9 Copeland - 8 Peak - 8 White - 5 Hopkins - 5 Remainder (probably 2 players) - 4
I think we could have a pretty strong offense this year. It's probably somewhat on the high side though.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 13, 2014 20:13:43 GMT -5
I realize I could be really wrong about that Peak number.
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Post by tashoya on Aug 13, 2014 20:15:41 GMT -5
Ahead of ourselves? Who cares? Plus, it's more fun than the Lubick/Hop conversation. Would someone summarize that MCI post? I had to skip it or lose plenty of billing time, time with the family, etc... Broad strokes: Stats don't tell the whole story and the eye test is important as well. Arguments tend to stray from the contested points to personal attacks for no reason. Lubick's lack of offense hurt the team. Hop trying too hard to help an offensively-challenged (to be kind) team and, often, failing is more respectable than Nate failing to try to help at all. He wasn't pulling for Hop over Copeland in a starting role. Rather, Peak over Copeland if it came down to that.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 13, 2014 20:29:26 GMT -5
Would someone summarize that MCI post? I had to skip it or lose plenty of billing time, time with the family, etc... Broad strokes: Stats don't tell the whole story and the eye test is important as well. Arguments tend to stray from the contested points to personal attacks for no reason. Lubick's lack of offense hurt the team. Hop trying too hard to help an offensively-challenged (to be kind) team and, often, failing is more respectable than Nate failing to try to help at all. He wasn't pulling for Hop over Copeland in a starting role. Rather, Peak over Copeland if it came down to that. Thank you! How many times did he mention "some people"? Bonus track:
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 13, 2014 20:42:54 GMT -5
It will be harder for me to get much sleep knowing this. Still all that sleep deprivation won't make me delusional enough to believe in your fantasy that Sims demonstrated such superior ability than Hopkins to beat his man off the dribble his first few years. Says the man who thought Reuben Boumtje-Boumtje could be a star and wrote a dissertation about it... You're reaching into the RBB archives for what exactly? To make a point? You figure I'm hanging my head in shame over thinking highly of a guy who, while never becoming a star, at least happened to make an NBA roster for three years? Really? And I get no bonus credit at least for thinking highly of Hibbert's prospects early on or for claiming that Hollis was good enough to be in the NBA? Well that sucks. I guess one must bat 1.000 around these parts. Thanks for that insight.
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 13, 2014 20:45:18 GMT -5
Broad strokes: Stats don't tell the whole story and the eye test is important as well. Arguments tend to stray from the contested points to personal attacks for no reason. Lubick's lack of offense hurt the team. Hop trying too hard to help an offensively-challenged (to be kind) team and, often, failing is more respectable than Nate failing to try to help at all. He wasn't pulling for Hop over Copeland in a starting role. Rather, Peak over Copeland if it came down to that. Thank you! How many times did he mention "some people"? 2,481,191 times. But that was before the first edit. Next time go directly to the source with your question.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 13, 2014 20:51:31 GMT -5
Did you like the bonus track?
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 13, 2014 21:04:19 GMT -5
Not exactly my cup of tea but it wasn't bad.
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Post by tashoya on Aug 13, 2014 21:06:29 GMT -5
Did you like the bonus track? I did. For whatever reason, I like 80's music now much more than I did then. Even the stuff I don't like, I often find the videos hilarious. Thanks for the link! Back to the other part, can't we all just get along?
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Post by tashoya on Aug 13, 2014 21:09:42 GMT -5
Thank you! How many times did he mention "some people"? 2,481,191 times. But that was before the first edit. Next time go directly to the source with your question. MCI, I wasn't trying to mock your post in the least. I really did try to grab some of the more salient points. If it came across otherwise, I apologize. That wasn't my intention.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Aug 13, 2014 21:16:23 GMT -5
Says the man who thought Reuben Boumtje-Boumtje could be a star and wrote a dissertation about it... You're reaching into the RBB archives for what exactly? To make a point? You figure I'm hanging my head in shame over thinking highly of a guy who, while never becoming a star, at least happened to make an NBA roster for three years? Really? And I get no bonus credit at least for thinking highly of Hibbert's prospects early on or for claiming that Hollis was good enough to be in the NBA? Well that sucks. I guess one must bat 1.000 around these parts. Thanks for that insight. You were dead on re: Hibbert. And early, too.
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Post by tashoya on Aug 13, 2014 21:32:16 GMT -5
MCI, I also meant to offer my sympathies on your family member's diagnosis of ALS. I don't even know what to say other than that. I'm not sure there's anything that could be said that would make that even the slightest bit more bearable or less shocking and scary. I can only offer my best wishes to you and your family.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 23:36:08 GMT -5
*** warning: no actual stats or quantitative analysis were used in this post, although numerous "eye tests" might have been ***
Interesting to see everyone's take on scoring averages.
Put me in the camp (admittedly maybe a camp of one) who thinks Josh Smith will be a binary outcome this year.
If he just "is who he is" - maybe a guy who got sort of forced into hoops , fell out of love with it, and doesn't care about the game anymore, manifesting in weight gain/poor academics/etc - then we won't need to worry ourselves with talking about him post-Janary. Because he won't be around.
But if he's a wake-up call guy - like hey, 3 of my former college teammates are millionaires now, I was once a top player, I better shape up or ship out - I think he could be downright deadly. Hands like that on a big guy don't come around that often (Sweetney?). Despite all the negative stuff with Smith last year - I still saw a guy that despite being easily 60 lbs overweight, could still get off the floor and flush the ball easily, and make people look downright silly in the post.
Ah, what the hell, put me down for Smith at an 17/8 year with a few 25/15 games scattered in.
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Post by Just Cos on Aug 14, 2014 0:04:49 GMT -5
Obviously thrilled about the news on Josh but I'm worried about what happens to our defense when he is in the game. It was awful the few games he played last year.
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Post by rockhoya on Aug 14, 2014 6:33:38 GMT -5
Obviously thrilled about the news on Josh but I'm worried about what happens to our defense when he is in the game. It was awful the few games he played last year. Not in the last handful he played before getting suspended he actually made an impact on that end. What he gave up in quickness and mobility he made up for in size and strength. Not necessarily easy to dribble around a guy that size, they aren't your typical angles.
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Post by calhoya on Aug 14, 2014 7:07:51 GMT -5
It's up to Smith at this point. I have watched this kid "slide" from a sure-fire prospect to an after-thought. He has the talent. The issue is whether he has the desire. He is in the right place with the right coach and surrounded by some very athletic kids who can compensatte for his shortcomings in conditioning. Expectations will certainly be lower than last year and he won't be expected to carry this team.
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Post by TC on Aug 14, 2014 9:15:20 GMT -5
Eh, I really doubt we do a 10-man or 11-man rotation long term, but I'm not very sure where the team lands. How real is Hayes' improvement? Will we need Campbell at point to back up DSR or will Trawick (or someone else) swing over? I don't think we're going to be as offensively balanced as some do: DSR - 17 Smith - 16 Trawick - 9 Copeland - 8 Peak - 8 White - 5 Hopkins - 5 Remainder (probably 2 players) - 4 I think we could have a pretty strong offense this year. It's probably somewhat on the high side though. I would take the under on everything but Peak, Trawick, and Remainder.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 14, 2014 10:06:30 GMT -5
Eh, I really doubt we do a 10-man or 11-man rotation long term, but I'm not very sure where the team lands. How real is Hayes' improvement? Will we need Campbell at point to back up DSR or will Trawick (or someone else) swing over? I don't think we're going to be as offensively balanced as some do: DSR - 17 Smith - 16 Trawick - 9 Copeland - 8 Peak - 8 White - 5 Hopkins - 5 Remainder (probably 2 players) - 4 I think we could have a pretty strong offense this year. It's probably somewhat on the high side though. I would take the under on everything but Peak, Trawick, and Remainder. That seems to be consensus. My thinking: * There's a basic assumption / wishful thinking that Josh is in better shape than last year. * DSR is really, really good and I think we sometimes forget that. * I think Copeland is the most likely of the freshmen to get PT. * I think the one thing Kenner generally overstates is dribble drive ability -- this is something that team D/help D is generally stopping in college and Kenner teams don't have the collective history together to play great team D even if they try. I think of Austin and how he always had a big drive game in Kenner but it tailed off strongly in college games. * While I don't think we'll have the short seven-man rotation, none of the guys in the remainder (Bowen, Hayes, Campbell, Cameron) are scorers except for Cameron and I suspect he is odd man out. But I could be wrong there. * Fully acknowledge that there's a place where Peak is above 10.
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Post by TC on Aug 14, 2014 11:09:02 GMT -5
I don't even really disagree with any of your predictions - I just think handicapping these is really hard, given that we haven't seen the offense yet and that last year the offense was pretty ineffective for long portions.
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Post by burnell on Aug 15, 2014 16:14:00 GMT -5
Peak white,coopeland will get lots of playing time I guarantee that.
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