calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Aug 3, 2014 8:58:10 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 3, 2014 10:05:22 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 3, 2014 10:55:16 GMT -5
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Post by section110 on Aug 3, 2014 14:14:57 GMT -5
Some serious playoff intensity in the first game. Hayes and Bowen put in work with Bowen getting the game winning contested drive to the hoop with 8.5 on the clock.
Hayes was aggressive. Fighting for post position and calling for the ball. Was able to finish several times with the right hand hook shot and converted his freethrows. Solid on the defensive glass.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 3, 2014 15:02:46 GMT -5
Some serious playoff intensity in the first game. Hayes and Bowen put in work with Bowen getting the game winning contested drive to the hoop with 8.5 on the clock. Hayes was aggressive. Fighting for post position and calling for the ball. Was able to finish several times with the right hand hook shot and converted his freethrows. Solid on the defensive glass. Good to hear. Still have hopes for solid contributions from Bradley this year.
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 3, 2014 15:26:18 GMT -5
Day late, dollar short, Dan. -All summer long whenever a Hoya has a great game, tmottola would be quick to remind his readers that it is just summer league and teams aren’t playing any defense. Now Josh Hart has a great performance and tmottola tells us how much we will regret not getting Josh Hart. Consistency please? -The comment about an opposing team trapping Peak to keep him from driving further shoots down tmottola’s claim that defense isn’t being played in the KL. Trapping is a defensive strategy normally not seen on the playgrounds, in NBA All Star games and in most summer leagues. That same team that was trapping Peak also reportedly communicated amongst one another what Pau White favorite go-to move was in last weekend’s game and took that move from Paul. Again….that’s called defense. -The two new Terp transfers, Pack and Carter, appear to have some ability and aren’t too shy to let people know. Just yesterday Carter “humbly” tweeted the compliments that JT gave him after Saturday’s game. These two have also been talking trash on the court to our guys (our freshmen) and in the case of Carter reportedly took verbal jabs at Paul White (though not in his presence) off the court once the game was over. They will fit right in with all the other classy student athletes at Burning Couch U. It doesn’t surprise me that both abandoned their previous programs for (supposedly) greener pastures. Well, at least they didn’t get arrested for breaking the fingers of police officers after being spotted stealing $6 worth of candy. The most pathetic thing is they have two to three years of experience and age on our freshmen and yet display greater immaturity with their antics. They should take a page out of Mo Creek’s book and learn to act with some more class.
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 3, 2014 17:03:04 GMT -5
Was at a vacation home with lousy internet access. C'est la vie.
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Post by Elvado on Aug 3, 2014 17:28:59 GMT -5
I would think folks have better things to do than rip tmottola's Kenner reports.
First things first, agree or disagree with his opinions, he is providing a service on his own time.
Perhaps more importantly, Tom's bona fides as a Hoya fan are beyond reproach. He goes way back to the pre-glory days and can recall with tears in his eyes the Spectrum on 1980, and everything since.
A bit of appreciation and respect is in order here.
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Post by hoyabinx on Aug 3, 2014 17:48:59 GMT -5
I would think folks have better things to do than rip tmottola's Kenner reports. First things first, agree or disagree with his opinions, he is providing a service on his own time. Perhaps more importantly, Tom's bona fides as a Hoya fan are beyond reproach. He goes way back to the pre-glory days and can recall with tears in his eyes the Spectrum on 1980, and everything since. A bit of appreciation and respect is in order here. Totally agree. I went to yesterday's game, the defense was horrible. Yes, the other team does some game planning. But that doesn't mean it's anything resembling a real game defense. In fact, by the end of the Tombs and Clyde's games it looked like Yates pick-up defense. Undefended fast breaks both ways, which is where Peak and Copeland got most of their points. I thought all the Freshmen looked good yesterday. Paul White was the most impressive. He seemed everywhere on rebounds and passes, and he scored in all fashions. Tre struggled with his shot, but his handle is rock solid and Big East ready.
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 3, 2014 17:54:29 GMT -5
I would think folks have better things to do than rip tmottola's Kenner reports. First things first, agree or disagree with his opinions, he is providing a service on his own time. Perhaps more importantly, Tom's bona fides as a Hoya fan are beyond reproach. He goes way back to the pre-glory days and can recall with tears in his eyes the Spectrum on 1980, and everything since. A bit of appreciation and respect is in order here. Already gave the man props for providing info all summer long. You can go back and check on that whenever you want. Still that doesn't mean I can't point out stuff that I find questionable. And trust me most of the stuff I take issue with or have doubts about I remain silent on. After all he isn't being paid to keep us informed so I'm not in a position to demand anything. However the whole no-defense-at-the-Kenner-League claim is a pet peeve of mine and I will challenge that claim whenever I can. Didn't mean to offend your friend.
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Post by Elvado on Aug 3, 2014 17:57:46 GMT -5
Fair enough.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Aug 4, 2014 14:05:39 GMT -5
In 2012-2013 2011-2012, when Porter was a freshman, we used more press than the last two season. I think when John Thompson III has the tools, he will use it. Still, I think anybody expecting start-to-finish full court pressure or anything resembling VCU's defense will be disappointed. We are much more athletic than in past years, but I still think the pressure will have to be selective, and based on the opponent, as well. Another key is recovery when the press is broken. Part of the reason we could not use it last year is because whenever the press was broken, it often yielded an easy basket. That was partially because of our lack of athleticism, but it remains to be seen how are guys will handle that. They are certainly better equipped athletically, though. Fixed it. We had a healthy and eligible Greg Whittington during that season. I do NOT want to prompt another eighteen pages about Whittington, but for my money, he was one of the best defenders in recent Hoya memory, and perhaps ever. By no means was he the only reason we pressed that season, but he was an important part of our defense. I hope that Copeland or White can provide a big body that moves like that on D.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 4, 2014 15:16:28 GMT -5
Eh, Whittington was a good one on one defender, but Otto was better overall. When Whit went out their sophomore year, the defense got better and ended up second in the nation.
The defense was elite without Whittingon. He was a good defender, but hardly the key to that defense.
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Post by rockhoya on Aug 4, 2014 16:35:16 GMT -5
Eh, Whittington was a good one on one defender, but Otto was better overall. When Whit went out their sophomore year, the defense got better and ended up second in the nation. The defense was elite without Whittingon. He was a good defender, but hardly the key to that defense. Agree to disagree. Correlation is not always causation. Otto was not as good a defender nor do I think he was even clearly a better help defender.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 4, 2014 16:49:18 GMT -5
Eh, Whittington was a good one on one defender, but Otto was better overall. When Whit went out their sophomore year, the defense got better and ended up second in the nation. The defense was elite without Whittingon. He was a good defender, but hardly the key to that defense. Agree to disagree. Correlation is not always causation. Otto was not as good a defender nor do I think he was even clearly a better help defender. I have actual factual evidence on my side. This team played better defense after Greg went out. You have what? The Greg Whittington obsession on this board is weird. Otto was a vastly superior player on both sides of the ball, but people love them some perimeter potential, don't they?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 4, 2014 17:27:17 GMT -5
I think part of the reason everybody focused on Whittington's defense was because he was 6'8 and he often played a guard role, which made him a lot bigger than most of the people who would typically play that position. In contrast, Porter stuck out less at his position because he was a normal size for his position and he was not flashy.
I still think Whittington was a good defender (and he surely would have helped last season), but I agree that Otto Porter was better, and you would have to be insane to think Whittington was even close to Porter on offense, so I won't even go there.
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Post by rockhoya on Aug 4, 2014 17:53:37 GMT -5
Agree to disagree. Correlation is not always causation. Otto was not as good a defender nor do I think he was even clearly a better help defender. I have actual factual evidence on my side. This team played better defense after Greg went out. You have what? The Greg Whittington obsession on this board is weird. Otto was a vastly superior player on both sides of the ball, but people love them some perimeter potential, don't they? Causation is not correlation and ability doesn't always always equal production. That's why the eye-test exists. People aren't just declaring Whitt as one of the best defenders in GU history after 1.5 seasons for no reason. You don't have to agree but that doesn't make it any less true. Greg was a more versatile and athletic defender with better timing and instincts.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Aug 4, 2014 17:58:53 GMT -5
rockhoya is wrong but please don't argue with him because that means i'll have to read more of his posts
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 4, 2014 20:03:59 GMT -5
Why is Rock wrong? Because the team played better without Greg? Okay. But is that enough? Perhaps Greg's suspension in addition to the horrible start to the BE season was just the wake up call the team needed to pul together and come correct. I mean that is possible right? Heck there is the Ewing theory out there that a team could play better even after losing it's supposed best player, so why can't a similar result happen when losing a guy who is at best the second or third best guy on the squad?
Anyway no authority less than Big John himself claimed Whittington was one of the best defenders to ever enter the Gtown program. That has to be worth something, Oone guy on the ESPN websites went out of his way to provide a breakdown on just how extraordinary Whitt's defense was in that win at Louisville during his first season. Otto's defense was great but Otto could not defend point guards. Whittington could. And while Otto was a clearly better on the offensive end and on the boards, to me Whittington had more upside. He was quicker off the bounce, more athletic and explosive, had a ridiculously quick second jump, etc. But to be a better player he would have to put it altogether, most importantly mentally. He didn't and he isn't the first big time prospect Who failed to live up to his athletic gifts. That happens more times than one can count. Otto was easily the better player because he had his act together, not because he was a more impressive physical specimen or that much more skilled.
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 4, 2014 20:05:20 GMT -5
Who was declaring Whittington "one of the best defenders in GU history" exactly? And I'm not talking about Pop's pre-career hyperbole.
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