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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2014 4:40:29 GMT -5
Very little chance of DSR making the NBA imo. Great college player but the NBA values speed and athleticism both of which he’s really lacking. Will probably make a ton of money oversees though Not true at all. Kendall Marshall and DJ Augustin have less speed/athleticism than DSR yet they made it. But this thread is dumb for comparing a 6'3 guy who is actually about 6'1 and a legit explosive 6'8 guy. If Austin Freeman was 6'8, he would be in the league as well. Well I like D and would like to be wrong but naming 2 guys out of 450 total hardly makes what I said above “Not true”. I think if you look up scouting reports on Marshall it will definitely state that as a concern. Either way, how is his game like either of those guys? Both were lottery picks after their Soph seasons and considered the “Best Pure PG’s” in their respective classes.
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Post by dreamhoya on Mar 20, 2014 11:49:06 GMT -5
Very little chance of DSR making the NBA imo. Great college player but the NBA values speed and athleticism both of which he’s really lacking. Will probably make a ton of money oversees though Maybe but I see the NBA getting back recently to if a guy can fill it up off the bench they will give him a look. I just think the improvement in his game from freshman to sophomore was great. I cant evdn imagine what will happen when he has 5 or 6 competent teammates. Also, the same things were said about James Harden. Although DSR's no James Harden.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 20, 2014 12:20:35 GMT -5
Maybe but I see the NBA getting back recently to if a guy can fill it up off the bench they will give him a look. I just think the improvement in his game from freshman to sophomore was great. I cant evdn imagine what will happen when he has 5 or 6 competent teammates. Also, the same things were said about James Harden. Although DSR's no James Harden. Harden went third overall. Seems a strange comment to say about someone who went so high, but I admit I don't read draft reports. Hope DSR gets a shot. In two years!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2014 13:29:57 GMT -5
Very little chance of DSR making the NBA imo. Great college player but the NBA values speed and athleticism both of which he’s really lacking. Will probably make a ton of money oversees though Maybe but I see the NBA getting back recently to if a guy can fill it up off the bench they will give him a look. I just think the improvement in his game from freshman to sophomore was great. I cant evdn imagine what will happen when he has 5 or 6 competent teammates. I don’t disagree with that notion but can you point to a player who is similar to D that fits that description in the league?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 20, 2014 13:49:38 GMT -5
Maybe but I see the NBA getting back recently to if a guy can fill it up off the bench they will give him a look. I just think the improvement in his game from freshman to sophomore was great. I cant evdn imagine what will happen when he has 5 or 6 competent teammates. I don’t disagree with that notion but can you point to a player who is similar to D that fits that description in the league? You may have to go back to John Bagwell, who was less athletic than DSR.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 20, 2014 14:27:49 GMT -5
I don’t disagree with that notion but can you point to a player who is similar to D that fits that description in the league? You may have to go back to John Bagwell, who was less athletic than DSR. It always amazed me how well he could score.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 20, 2014 15:24:37 GMT -5
You may have to go back to John Bagwell, who was less athletic than DSR. It always amazed me how well he could score. Some guys just know how to score no matter their size. DSR is certainly like that, although I do not know if he can possibly translate that to the NBA. You never know . . .
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Post by dense on Mar 20, 2014 16:06:08 GMT -5
You dont have to go that far back. Jason Terry is that kind of guy and so is Jerryd Bayless. Guys who arent PGs who can fill it up. They have comparable point guard skills. Granted they were quicker and more athletic when they were younger.
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Post by dense on Mar 20, 2014 16:07:41 GMT -5
You may have to go back to John Bagwell, who was less athletic than DSR. It always amazed me how well he could score. Bagwell?? Do you mean Bagley of BC that played on celtics??
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 20, 2014 16:17:22 GMT -5
It always amazed me how well he could score. Bagwell?? Do you mean Bagley of BC that played on celtics?? Yea, that guy.
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Post by Buckets on Mar 20, 2014 16:17:55 GMT -5
Ramon Sessions had a thoroughly unimpressive combine and he's still around. I'm not sure how else to objectively measure someone's speed since DJ Augustin somehow got dragged into this discussion and he sprinted faster than Westbrook, Wade, and Conley who are not exactly slow. I'm sure DSR is thinking NBA and knows what he needs to do to get there, which is prove himself as a distributor and get more athletic. I assume he'll be working on both this offseason.
His assist numbers are way ahead of where Starks was as a sophomore. People forget but Starks was really pretty bad as a sophomore and we basically had Clark take over point guard duties when it was clear Starks wasn't ready. I think he did a very good job developing in this area, so hopefully DSR can do the same.
As far as comparisons, I think he's a poor/homeless man's Deron Williams. Both are a little bulkier and lack a quick first step, but have good enough footwork to get guys off balance and get enough space to score. There were no questions about Williams ability as a point coming out of college, though.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 20, 2014 16:25:36 GMT -5
With regard to assists, Starks played far less as a freshman than did DSR. When he played, for the most part he looked like a deer in the headlights, but with a lot of promise. Now that you mention it, DSR does remind me physically of Williams.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2014 17:45:27 GMT -5
Williams has a monster handle, is 6’3/6'4 and much more athletic than DSR. Williams will catch you slippin and dunk on you. I mean he’s even caught Roy Slippin. He’s a much much better athlete than you guys are giving him credit for.
D at this point isn’t even on the NBA’s radar.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 20, 2014 19:34:22 GMT -5
I just meant in terms of their build in college, from what I remember of Williams back then.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 20, 2014 22:30:59 GMT -5
I wish that you would have used a better comparison with the physique. Rodney Hood is an supreme athlete and he is 6'8". I would love to see those stats with Marcus Smart and DSR. I know that Smart is more athletic but they are similar in size at least. If Hood was a poor shooter he would still be drafted before DSR. The only comparison I see to DSR in the L is Andre Miller. Maybe a Sam Cassell...............
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Post by bmartin on Mar 20, 2014 22:52:46 GMT -5
I was pointing out that DSR has almost identical stats to Hood. Not suggesting he should have the same draft status but that he is clearly his equal as a college player. Also the 6'8" guy doesn't rebound as well which would concern me if I were an NBA GM.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 20, 2014 23:37:47 GMT -5
I can count many guards in the JTIII era that I consider better than DSR before even considering him even close to an elite talent. What am I missing there? I'm a big Starks and Trawick fan for different reasons on each and I just don't get the fascination with DSR. If Starks and Smith-Rivera were the best backcourt in the country like the early season media hyped we would have had a better season than this regardless of what our front court looked like. I think he let us down with his shooting in many games that cost us from seeing them in the tournament.
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 21, 2014 2:05:57 GMT -5
I can count many guards in the JTIII era that I consider better than DSR before even considering him even close to an elite talent. What am I missing there? I'm a big Starks and Trawick fan for different reasons on each and I just don't get the fascination with DSR. If Starks and Smith-Rivera were the best backcourt in the country like the early season media hyped we would have had a better season than this regardless of what our front court looked like. I think he let us down with his shooting in many games that cost us from seeing them in the tournament. You, sir, are either a moron or a troll. There isn't one guard of III's reign who came close to being as good as a soph as DSR has been this season. Not a single one. If you disagree please list the guards you think matched him at the same stages of their careers and give me the pleasure of laughing you right off the board. In terms of scoring and efficiency DSR is hard to beat regardless of position. Not too many of III's players have had better scoring seasons. And to be honest if it weren't for those bruised ribs that set him back for about five to six games I think DSR finishes ahead of Starks as a First Team Big East Player (he was more on a roll at that point). Here is a guy who already has more 30 point games (and just a soph!) than any other player for III and he gets those points without jacking up a ridiculous number of shots. Here is a guy that has a realistic shot at scoring 2000 points if he stays healthy for four seasons. The same could not be said for Jon Wallace, Austin Freeman, Chris Wright, Jason Clark and Markel Starks. My boy Jabril, my favorite player on this team, may not even make it to 1000 points. And when you consider that DSR is a better rebounder than he has any right to be, is pretty good at creating for others and is that rare college player to possess a deadly midrange game, then one is being petty or pretty blind not to give him his due. The more amazing thing is that his best years are likely still ahead of him. Also his worse stretch of shooting this season came during the rib injury. Outside of that he has been the best shooter on this team, the most consistent good shooter. You dare say his nights off, which the vast majority of players suffer from, cost this team wins and yet you slurp Markel and Jabril who have had even more "off nights" in terms of shooting than DSR has had. Markel is a senior who got off to a slow start this season when it came to shooting and still had a few too many really bad shooting performances even when he got into form around the time of Big East play. But it is DSR you choose to pick on? As for the best backcourt in the nation, NO ONE in the media was calling them that. No one in the national media paid any attention to DSR coming into the season and only a handful more recognized Markel. They didn't make any of the top backcourt lists that you find in the preseason magazines. Let me repeat that: they made NONE of those lists. So you are purposely making crap up about how the media fawned over them or you simply don't know what you are talking about. Personally I thought they warranted some mention and I think how they played this year strengthens my opinion, but going into the season the actual media didn’t have them on the radar as far as being one of the very top backcourts.
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 21, 2014 2:12:50 GMT -5
Not true at all. Kendall Marshall and DJ Augustin have less speed/athleticism than DSR yet they made it. But this thread is dumb for comparing a 6'3 guy who is actually about 6'1 and a legit explosive 6'8 guy. If Austin Freeman was 6'8, he would be in the league as well. Well I like D and would like to be wrong but naming 2 guys out of 450 total hardly makes what I said above “Not true”. I think if you look up scouting reports on Marshall it will definitely state that as a concern. Either way, how is his game like either of those guys? Both were lottery picks after their Soph seasons and considered the “Best Pure PG’s” in their respective classes. Regardless if he keeps playing this way or even takes it up a notch or more in his final two seasons he will get a serious look from the NBA. That's just the way it is. You can't ignore numbers like that. At the very least the scouts would lke to know if there is one thing he can do well that may make him worthy of a roster spot. And, yes, worse players have been drafted. Limited players do slip into the NBA now and then.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 21, 2014 7:30:16 GMT -5
Williams has a monster handle, is 6’3/6'4 and much more athletic than DSR. Williams will catch you slippin and dunk on you. I mean he’s even caught Roy Slippin. He’s a much much better athlete than you guys are giving him credit for. D at this point isn’t even on the NBA’s radar. True. To be fair though, the past couple of years Deron Williams looks like a much different than he did early on in his career. In any case, I don't see much similarity between DW and DSR other than their physical size.
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