bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Mar 19, 2014 9:44:25 GMT -5
Two Sophomores - Which one is the Lottery Pick? 2013-14 Season
| Player A
| Player B
| | %Minutes | 87.8 | 81.7 | ORating
| 120.9
| 120.8
| %Possessions
| 23.9 | 22.6 | %Shots
| 25.9
| 25.1
| EffectiveFG%
| 52.9
| 55.6
| | OR% | 4.7 | 2.8 | | DR% | 12.3
| 11.5
| Ast Rating
| 17.0
| 12.7 | TO Rating
| 12.6
| 12.4
| | Block% | 0.5 | 0.8 | | Steal% | 2.2
| 1.4 | FT Rate
| 45.8 | 33.6
| FTM-FTA FT%
| 154-175 88.0
| 109-135 80.7
| 2PM-2PA 2P%
| 109-225 48.4
| 120-238 50.4
| 3PM-3PA 3P%
| 62-157 39.5
| 69-164 42.1
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 19, 2014 9:47:24 GMT -5
I bet Player A is DSR!
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Post by bmartin on Mar 19, 2014 9:54:21 GMT -5
Yes, Player A is DSR. Player B is Rodney Hood. Hood is 6'8" to DSR's 6'3", but Hood's only advantage is better outside shooting, which DSR makes up for with more and better foul shooting. DSR has more rebounds, assists, and steals. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 19, 2014 9:55:54 GMT -5
Yes, Player A is definitely DSR, and I think Player B is Hood from Duke.
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Post by IDenj on Mar 19, 2014 9:59:05 GMT -5
Which player is more likely to be drafted?
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bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Mar 19, 2014 10:00:25 GMT -5
Which player is more likely to be drafted? The 6'8" guy. |
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Post by chep3 on Mar 19, 2014 10:07:01 GMT -5
If DSR was 6'8 with his numbers, he'd be a first rounder too. DSR's path to the league requires showing he has enough pg in him to be a combo guard at the next level.
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Post by bmartin on Mar 19, 2014 10:21:30 GMT -5
I understand why Hood is a lottery pick and DSR isn't, but I was surprised at how close their numbers were.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 19, 2014 10:30:27 GMT -5
What I think this also shows is how the NBA buzz can affect NCAA perceptions. I'm not sure how many people outside the Big East really know DSR and that he will be a "surprising" player on the national stage next year. I think people think he's good but without NBA scouts drooling or "Duke" on his uniform they don't get how good.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 19, 2014 11:24:28 GMT -5
DSR's sophomore numbers are actually quite similar to Austin Freeman's numbers during his junior year. Obviously, DSR is a year younger, but I only say that because Austin Freeman was also a very good offensive player, and he got virtually no NBA buzz either. I definitely think height plays a major role in NBA buzz, since it "projects" better at the NBA level.
For what it's worth, Otto Porter's offensive numbers last year were somewhat comparable to DSR's, as well - similar minutes played, similar O rating (DSR's is slightly better), and similar number of possessions. Of course, Porter rebounded better and is a much better defensive player, which isn't as obvious in those stats.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 19, 2014 11:56:19 GMT -5
Hood also has Parker, Cook, Sulaimon and a few other offensive threats on his team. DSR has Markel and that is it. His numbers are likely skewed a bit. It is like looking at Evan Turners numbers when he was on the Sixers. They stunk so he had to be the man.
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Post by bmartin on Mar 19, 2014 12:07:15 GMT -5
Hood also has Parker, Cook, Sulaimon and a few other offensive threats on his team. DSR has Markel and that is it. His numbers are likely skewed a bit. It is like looking at Evan Turners numbers when he was on the Sixers. They stunk so he had to be the man. That actually makes DSR's numbers more impressive. He is scoring at the same efficiency as Hood even though Hood almost certainly gets more open shots and does not have to work as hard as DSR to get shots because Hood is not the primary focus of the defense. |
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 19, 2014 12:17:59 GMT -5
Hood also has Parker, Cook, Sulaimon and a few other offensive threats on his team. DSR has Markel and that is it. His numbers are likely skewed a bit. It is like looking at Evan Turners numbers when he was on the Sixers. They stunk so he had to be the man. That actually makes DSR's numbers more impressive. He is scoring at the same efficiency as Hood even though Hood almost certainly gets more open shots and does not have to work as hard as hard as DSR to get shots because Hood is not the primary focus of the defense. Josh please learn to love salad and books(or alarm clocks)! I can't even imagine an inside out game with DSR. |
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Post by Hoyaholic on Mar 19, 2014 13:04:35 GMT -5
Yes, Player A is DSR. Player B is Rodney Hood. Hood is 6'8" to DSR's 6'3", but Hood's only advantage is better outside shooting, which DSR makes up for with more and better foul shooting. DSR has more rebounds, assists, and steals. Is DSR really 6'3"? I know that is what he is listed at, but on TV he looks like he's 6'0/6'1". To my eye, he appears no taller than Starks. Am I crazy? Freeman, who was allegedly the same height, appeared significantly taller on TV. |
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 19, 2014 15:09:36 GMT -5
Thinking about DSR's possible transition to play PG/Combo in the NBA, he does have a pretty nice Euro step and a great midrange/close game. Rebounds above his size. Really just needs to get his assists numbers up a little, which he has the opportunity to if most of next year's talent step up, and he could have a shot. Even if he doesn't he'll have a long career overseas.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 19, 2014 15:16:52 GMT -5
Thinking about DSR's possible transition to play PG/Combo in the NBA, he does have a pretty nice Euro step and a great midrange/close game. Rebounds above his size. Really just needs to get his assists numbers up a little, which he has the opportunity to if most of next year's talent step up, and he could have a shot. Even if he doesn't he'll have a long career overseas. I think he needs to become dedicated to defense. If he can guard NBA guards, there's definitely a place for him. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2014 17:33:24 GMT -5
Very little chance of DSR making the NBA imo. Great college player but the NBA values speed and athleticism both of which he’s really lacking.
Will probably make a ton of money oversees though
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Mar 19, 2014 17:53:50 GMT -5
All of our guards are assist deprived because we don't have a single 4 or 5 that can make a lay-up.
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Post by dense on Mar 19, 2014 18:07:13 GMT -5
Very little chance of DSR making the NBA imo. Great college player but the NBA values speed and athleticism both of which he’s really lacking. Will probably make a ton of money oversees though Maybe but I see the NBA getting back recently to if a guy can fill it up off the bench they will give him a look. I just think the improvement in his game from freshman to sophomore was great. I cant evdn imagine what will happen when he has 5 or 6 competent teammates. |
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Mar 19, 2014 21:24:53 GMT -5
Very little chance of DSR making the NBA imo. Great college player but the NBA values speed and athleticism both of which he’s really lacking. Will probably make a ton of money oversees though Not true at all. Kendall Marshall and DJ Augustin have less speed/athleticism than DSR yet they made it. But this thread is dumb for comparing a 6'3 guy who is actually about 6'1 and a legit explosive 6'8 guy. If Austin Freeman was 6'8, he would be in the league as well. |
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