MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 11, 2014 17:20:21 GMT -5
fans voted with their wallets this year, the total attendance for the season at the booth was 136K and the year before it was 185K. the cost of greedy football schools and the ACC ruining the conference. Stop blaming the ACC and football. This is now on Georgetown alum and Hoya fans. If your program's worth is determined by what teams are part of your conference, then your program ain't worth ::bleep::. Fans have to show up. If the team is having a bad season, well, who cares? If it is your school you show support. Probably not fair to compare this situation with the NFL, but bad records don't stop fans attending NFL games. Same can be said for most D1 college football teams too. You don't show up only when your team is good or when you have some big name team coming to town. This is like a spouse being left by another for a supposedly more glamorous life and more attractive mate. The spouse who left doesn't look back and is having a grand ol' time. The spouse who was abandoned on the other hand mopes in the dark, feels sorry for him/herself, stays home to eat Tv dinners and complains about the **** neightbors' children and dogs all day long. ::Bleep:: that. That spouse has to get out and enjoy life again. A new life! That spouse has to find some new friends, have some new adventures, start some new routines and totally forget about the @#%$^* that left him/her. Living well is the best revenge after all. Right now the fans of the Catholic schools aren't living well. They are staying in place and living in the past, constantly revisiting their former lives. How else do you explain Creighton fans buying more tickets so far than the fans of freakin' Villanova. People talking up about how losing Syracuse and Notre Dame was a huge hit. Okay, we get it. But what was the opposing team that led to more sellouts during III's era than any other? Duke. And that was a disgrace. People were more excited seeing Duke than rivals Syracuse, St John's add Villanova. That says something about the fragility of the Gtown fanbase. Which means time to build that fanbase up again. If the alums and students aren't enough to make games lively on a regular basis, then the program will have to grow its fanbase in the DC metropolitan area by attracting the casual fan (no pun intended) and leaving an impression that would make those casual fans come back on a regular basis. To do that the Hoyas must not simply produce successful teams on a regular basis, but exciting ones too.
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Post by hoyajmw on Mar 11, 2014 17:24:40 GMT -5
+1,000 MCIGuy, +1,000...It would be +1,001 if you changed your name to VerizonGuy now though ...
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 11, 2014 17:37:02 GMT -5
Yes the key to attendance at MSG is not through St. Louis or Gonzaga but bringing in quality programs from the region. I agree that UConn would be great along with Memphis if there was ever a possibility, but football mania is still running the show and it is difficult to imagine either giving up that dream at this time. What are the available options? Stony Brook? Binghamton? The major problem is the inferiority complex of the so-called little small Catholic schools who think their fans cannot fill that arena. Hadn't there been games at MSG involving St. John's and Gtown or St. John's and Nova that sold out? Sold out without any help in attendance from Syracuse, Pitt, UConn nor Notre Dame fans? Look, the Catholic schools got as great a landing as one could hope after the breakup of the previous Big East. The schools kept the name, kept MSG and got a huge contract from Fox which just happened to have a new national sports station to push. if this fails it is because of the we-can't-do-it attitude of the Catholic schools' fans. If it means it takes a far greater percentage of the alums/fans of the Catholic schools than it did for the departed football schools, to fill MSG, then so be it. It is a four day event, not a four month commitment. Good recruiting, good teams, competitive and FUN games and supportive fans are the keys to how this works out for the Big East.
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Post by calhoya on Mar 11, 2014 17:46:32 GMT -5
fans voted with their wallets this year, the total attendance for the season at the booth was 136K and the year before it was 185K. the cost of greedy football schools and the ACC ruining the conference. Stop blaming the ACC and football. This is now on Georgetown alum and Hoya fans. If your program's worth is determined by what teams are part of your conference, then your program ain't worth ::bleep::. Fans have to show up. If the team is having a bad season, well, who cares? If it is your school you show support. Probably not fair to compare this situation with the NFL, but bad records don't stop fans attending NFL games. Same can be said for most D1 college football teams too. You don't show up only when your team is good or when you have some big name team coming to town. People talking up about how losing Syracuse and Notre Dame was a huge hit. Okay, we get it. But what was the opposing team that led to more sellouts during III's era than any other? Duke. And that was a disgrace. People were more excited seeing Duke than rivals Syracuse, St John's add Villanova. That says something about the fragility of the Gtown fanbase. Which means time to build that fanbase up again. If the alums and students aren't enough to make games lively on a regular basis, then the program will have to grow its fanbase in the DC metropolitan area by attracting the casual fan (no pun intended) and leaving an impression that would make those casual fans come back on a regular basis. To do that the Hoyas must not simply produce successful teams on a regular basis, but exciting ones too. Absolutely spot on MCI. We are a small school, but located in a very large metropolitan area with many basketball fans. The team needs to target the wider fanbase and try to recapture the 1980s and 1990s when we had more passionate fans nationwide who loved to root for or against the Hoyas. Start by bringing in a better quality of home opponent to draw more interest. Need not be Duke every time. I have wondered about hosting an tournament. DC is not Puerto Rico or Hawaii, but it is till a worthy destination for many schools.
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Post by SDHoya on Mar 11, 2014 18:01:32 GMT -5
I hear this one "sports journalist" in town runs a little tournament.
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Post by wrestlemania on Mar 11, 2014 18:21:00 GMT -5
Stop blaming the ACC and football. This is now on Georgetown alum and Hoya fans. If your program's worth is determined by what teams are part of your conference, then your program ain't worth ::bleep::. Fans have to show up. If the team is having a bad season, well, who cares? If it is your school you show support. Probably not fair to compare this situation with the NFL, but bad records don't stop fans attending NFL games. Same can be said for most D1 college football teams too. You don't show up only when your team is good or when you have some big name team coming to town. People talking up about how losing Syracuse and Notre Dame was a huge hit. Okay, we get it. But what was the opposing team that led to more sellouts during III's era than any other? Duke. And that was a disgrace. People were more excited seeing Duke than rivals Syracuse, St John's add Villanova. That says something about the fragility of the Gtown fanbase. Which means time to build that fanbase up again. If the alums and students aren't enough to make games lively on a regular basis, then the program will have to grow its fanbase in the DC metropolitan area by attracting the casual fan (no pun intended) and leaving an impression that would make those casual fans come back on a regular basis. To do that the Hoyas must not simply produce successful teams on a regular basis, but exciting ones too. Absolutely spot on MCI. We are a small school, but located in a very large metropolitan area with many basketball fans. The team needs to target the wider fanbase and try to recapture the 1980s and 1990s when we had more passionate fans nationwide who loved to root for or against the Hoyas. Start by bringing in a better quality of home opponent to draw more interest. Need not be Duke every time. I have wondered about hosting an tournament. DC is not Puerto Rico or Hawaii, but it is till a worthy destination for many schools. If JTIII cannot reignite the fire next year, I'd be concerned that the perception of the program will be a repeat of his father minus the Iverson blip, i.e.,a program that acquits itself with effort, but, no matter who is on the roster, can't get out of the first weekend of the NCAA tournament (unfair, perhaps, but remember that JTII had three early outs with Alonzo Mourning). Difficult to generate much buzz with that in a big, off-campus building.
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Post by richfame on Mar 11, 2014 19:51:40 GMT -5
Bench Hopkins and send him on his way. Time for a fresh start. Thats quite out of character of you to be so dismissive of a hoya student athlete.
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Post by richfame on Mar 11, 2014 19:58:27 GMT -5
Not to be the big downer here but I think we have little shot at winning the whole thing here. Its going to be Villanova, Creighton or St Johns cutting down the nets. Do not dismiss St Johns then are playing well and really can defend the basketball. St johns will beat Providence and lock up a spot in the ncaa tournament. We are going to have to get to the final game on saturday night and that is just asking to much of this group. Sorry..
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Post by IDenj on Mar 11, 2014 20:35:05 GMT -5
Chip and a chair.
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Post by centercourt400s on Mar 11, 2014 21:43:23 GMT -5
Stop blaming the ACC and football. This is now on Georgetown alum and Hoya fans. If your program's worth is determined by what teams are part of your conference, then your program ain't worth ::bleep::. Fans have to show up. If the team is having a bad season, well, who cares? If it is your school you show support. Probably not fair to compare this situation with the NFL, but bad records don't stop fans attending NFL games. Same can be said for most D1 college football teams too. You don't show up only when your team is good or when you have some big name team coming to town. People talking up about how losing Syracuse and Notre Dame was a huge hit. Okay, we get it. But what was the opposing team that led to more sellouts during III's era than any other? Duke. And that was a disgrace. People were more excited seeing Duke than rivals Syracuse, St John's add Villanova. That says something about the fragility of the Gtown fanbase. Which means time to build that fanbase up again. If the alums and students aren't enough to make games lively on a regular basis, then the program will have to grow its fanbase in the DC metropolitan area by attracting the casual fan (no pun intended) and leaving an impression that would make those casual fans come back on a regular basis. To do that the Hoyas must not simply produce successful teams on a regular basis, but exciting ones too. Absolutely spot on MCI. We are a small school, but located in a very large metropolitan area with many basketball fans. The team needs to target the wider fanbase and try to recapture the 1980s and 1990s when we had more passionate fans nationwide who loved to root for or against the Hoyas. Start by bringing in a better quality of home opponent to draw more interest. Need not be Duke every time. I have wondered about hosting an tournament. DC is not Puerto Rico or Hawaii, but it is till a worthy destination for many schools.
And yet this season, when creatively enticing more fans was obviously going to be important, the Georgetown ticket office actually decided to remove one of the major perks that 400 level season ticket holders enjoyed, namely free upgrades to lower level seats a couple of times per season. As a substitute they gave us a "free app" (iPhone only no less) that would give us the privilege of upgrading our seats on a per game basis for a "small fee" ($12+ per seat per game typically).
That isn't the kind of thinking that gives me confidence that the Georgetown administration is going to figure out a way to grow the fan base, short of JTIII fielding tournament successful teams on a consistent basis.
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Post by vanman on Mar 11, 2014 21:45:10 GMT -5
Not to sound like Blutarsky but when the going gets tough ... Anyway we always hope for the players to step up but we need our fans to also step up. Let us reap what we sow. We can't blame anyone or hope for anything beyond what WE can control - edit Mr.McGoo, Slick Rick and the rest - time for new traditions. Patience may be needed but not nearly as much as our support. GO HOYAS!!! ... now who's with me? Sec.212 Row 3
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 11, 2014 21:46:58 GMT -5
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Post by vanman on Mar 11, 2014 21:52:57 GMT -5
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Post by drquigley on Mar 11, 2014 22:27:05 GMT -5
Look, no small, private school (except Duke) has won a championship since Nova beat usin 1985. That's 29 years! College sports is big school, usually state school sports now. The thing I love about college hoops is that we do beat the big boys during the season and there is still a chance, however small, that a Gtown or Nova or Marquette can beat the big boys and win a natl championship. But it will take a miracle. So let's pull for the Hoyas but if they falter let's get behind Nova or Creighton.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 11, 2014 23:21:32 GMT -5
Look, no small, private school (except Duke) has won a championship since Nova beat usin 1985. That's 29 years! College sports is big school, usually state school sports now. The thing I love about college hoops is that we do beat the big boys during the season and there is still a chance, however small, that a Gtown or Nova or Marquette can beat the big boys and win a natl championship. But it will take a miracle. So let's pull for the Hoyas but if they falter let's get behind Nova or Creighton. FWIW, Georgetown has more students (both undergraduate and graduate) than Duke.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Mar 12, 2014 3:48:54 GMT -5
One game at a time. We can do this.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 12, 2014 6:26:46 GMT -5
One game at a time. We can do this. Truth.
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Post by wrestlemania on Mar 12, 2014 8:20:40 GMT -5
And if you need a boost, check out the DePaul boards -- talk about misery, even with a new arena on the way. We obviously want to aim higher, but at least GU has a competitive program with some leadership in place.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 12, 2014 8:35:34 GMT -5
Look, no small, private school (except Duke) has won a championship since Nova beat usin 1985. That's 29 years! College sports is big school, usually state school sports now. The thing I love about college hoops is that we do beat the big boys during the season and there is still a chance, however small, that a Gtown or Nova or Marquette can beat the big boys and win a natl championship. But it will take a miracle. So let's pull for the Hoyas but if they falter let's get behind Nova or Creighton. FWIW, Georgetown has more students (both undergraduate and graduate) than Duke. Good point. Curious to see if the Duke program remains strong after Coach K retires. I think the on campus arena helps as does the history of the program. These next few years will be important for us since it doesn't take much for a once proud program to go down the tubes, DePaul, St John's e.g.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 12, 2014 8:43:25 GMT -5
Duke will never again play a game without Coach K on the bench. They'll prop him up there like it's a sequel to Weekend at Bernie's.
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