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Post by Dhall on Mar 3, 2014 16:53:12 GMT -5
Ok, keep dreaming
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 3, 2014 17:03:55 GMT -5
Dhall - any suggestions for the changes that you propose we make, that will improve our chances of winning the BET?
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Mar 3, 2014 17:25:29 GMT -5
It's always extra special in these days to celebrate a senior for their accomplishments on and especially off the court. It's tough to mix in the demands of D1 sports and academics. Having said that, it's time to commence a new phase in their lives that doesn't include college sports. Moving on not hanging on is the example a program should strive for. Agree that we should celebrate these two seniors who are on track to graduate. However, I don't agree that we should urge them to move on from Hoya basketball. Why is this something we should strive for? Look at Ralph Dalton. He was a great Hoya on and off the court. He earned his bachelor's degree in 1985, played for Georgetown in 85-86 as an MBA student, and went on to get an MBA from Georgetown in 1987. Why isn't that "the example a program should strive for." Now, if Moses and/or AB want to move on, Mazel tov to them. But, personally, I would be glad to see them playing a role next year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 17:37:26 GMT -5
It's always extra special in these days to celebrate a senior for their accomplishments on and especially off the court. It's tough to mix in the demands of D1 sports and academics. Having said that, it's time to commence a new phase in their lives that doesn't include college sports. Moving on not hanging on is the example a program should strive for. Agree that we should celebrate these two seniors who are on track to graduate. However, I don't agree that we should urge them to move on from Hoya basketball. Why is this something we should strive for? Look at Ralph Dalton. He was a great Hoya on and off the court. He earned his bachelor's degree in 1985, played for Georgetown in 85-86 as an MBA student, and went on to get an MBA from Georgetown in 1987. Why isn't that "the example a program should strive for." Now, if Moses and/or AB want to move on, Mazel tov to them. But, personally, I would be glad to see them playing a role next year. I've always argued to bring back Moses and Bowen. You never know how certain players develop and I'd really hate to miss out on a player because we got our timing off by one year. This is especially true when it costs us zero scholarships we could be using elsewhere. If people want to bring back Joshua, even more reason for some senior leadership, particularly from a guy like AB who has worked very hard to improve and has been a model student-athlete for the university. From a work-ethic and team leadership standpoint, he's the kind of guy I want rubbing off on our incoming class. It's also never bad pub to have two players who have graduated and are pursuing graduate degrees. And yeah, an important part of the basketball program is giving the opportunity to players to further their education no matter how far that goes, eligibility willing. The only hang-up in my mind is that JT3 needs to be honest with him about how minutes will be distributed. But as long as AB is cool with competing for playing time he should be welcomed back. Same for Moses, since you really never know when you need a big-man. My one qualification is the JT3 needs to find time for Hayes next year to develop. For people that are down on both players and want to move on-- well that options will be entirely there if they are beat out in practice for PT. It's only a one-year thing so I wouldn't sweat it. Everyone involved just needs to be on-board with this possibility.
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Post by Dhall on Mar 3, 2014 19:05:44 GMT -5
Dhall - any suggestions for the changes that you propose we make, that will improve our chances of winning the BET? Not really, I don't pretend to know the Xs and Os like a professional coach as others claim here.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 3, 2014 19:13:18 GMT -5
The sole purpose of the next two games should be to try some different things that might result in winning the Big East tournament, which is the only thing that could salvage this season. These two games themselves are meaningless. Whether it means different lineups, different players, different styles of play or whatever, the regular season is over and was a failure. So consider the next two games as exhibitions for the postseason. The worst thing that could happen is that we do nothing different than we have done all season and somehow catch Creighton and/or Nova on bad nights and have some success against them, then go into the BE tourney and lose the way we have lost all year. It's the old expression, "the definition of stupidity is trying to do the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Haha! This is so misguided I don't even know what to say about it.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 3, 2014 19:20:59 GMT -5
Agree that the team would be well-served to have both back. Of course, both are on schedule to graduate and they could pack up and go anywhere with immediate eligibility. People are very excited by the incoming freshmen, but it has been a very long time since the Hoyas had more than one impact freshman. These kids will take time to develop and having one or two guys on the team who remained committed and dedicated for four years with a lot of bumps in the road would not be a bad thing. I'm not sure 2008 should be considered a very long time, unless you don't consider Chris Wright to have had an impact before he got hurt. But we've also not had a recruiting class close to this one in a very long time, so assuming that more than one of them won't have an impact simply because "it has been a very long time since the Hoyas had more than one impact freshman" seems a bit silly. Anyone who has followed these kids closely would say that there's a good chance that 3 of the 4 will have impactful seasons. I think AB has earned a 5th season this year. Moses needs to be shown the door. Not only is he not getting better, he's actually getting worse. Actually, I don't even know why I'm going back so far here. A mere two years ago we had Otto and Whit having impactful freshman seasons.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 3, 2014 21:19:28 GMT -5
I'll be there - will you? national airport is closed, still coming in? Tomorrow, God willing.
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Post by dungeon ball on Mar 3, 2014 22:03:37 GMT -5
national airport is closed, still coming in? Tomorrow, God willing. So tomorrow night is senior night, right? Should we read into anything if Moses or AB are honored? Are they considered seniors academically? I'm confused!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 3, 2014 22:06:31 GMT -5
So tomorrow night is senior night, right? Should we read into anything if Moses or AB are honored? Are they considered seniors academically? I'm confused! Read the front page or the senior night thread. Since they are both seniors at GU they are being honored on Senior Night. Does not preclude either of them playing next year.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 3, 2014 22:07:42 GMT -5
So tomorrow night is senior night, right? Should we read into anything if Moses or AB are honored? Are they considered seniors academically? I'm confused! This has been discussed previously, but basically, no we shouldn't read anything into it. Both will be honored but that in no way negates the possibility of them returning next year.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 3, 2014 22:52:58 GMT -5
Getting back to the Creighton game... Now that it looks like we might get at least something out of Hayes I wonder how many timeouts, including TV timeouts in a half? I ask because I'm thinking that in the first half JT3 could use these timeouts to go offense-defense with our bigs. Try to give Hayes at least 3-4 minutes and maybe we will have others available at the end of the game. As others have saiid that's what Marquette does with Gardner. Then again maybe doing so will allow us to have 4 centers foul out of a game.
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Post by Huntsville Hoya on Mar 4, 2014 8:04:20 GMT -5
I look for a spirited effort for the Hoyas against the Blue Jays at home tonight. Given the "do or die" scenario, home crowd advantage, and injury to Ike Zierden hurting the guard depth of Creighton; Im looking for a 69-66 squeaker at the "PhoneBooth"
On another note, I saw on the main page that Aaron Bowen is eligible for a medical red-shirt for 2014-2015, I'm curious as to why Moses Ayegba is not eligible for the same consideration? I apologize if this question has been asked and answered before.
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Post by calhoya on Mar 4, 2014 8:32:48 GMT -5
I'm not sure 2008 should be considered a very long time, unless you don't consider Chris Wright to have had an impact before he got hurt. But we've also not had a recruiting class close to this one in a very long time, so assuming that more than one of them won't have an impact simply because "it has been a very long time since the Hoyas had more than one impact freshman" seems a bit silly. Anyone who has followed these kids closely would say that there's a good chance that 3 of the 4 will have impactful seasons. I think AB has earned a 5th season this year. Moses needs to be shown the door. Not only is he not getting better, he's actually getting worse. Actually, I don't even know why I'm going back so far here. A mere two years ago we had Otto and Whit having impactful freshman seasons. You are right about Porter and Whittington. In the 2007-2008 season I did not consider Wright because of his injuries, which I recall wiped out a major part of the year for him including most or all of conference play. As for the incoming class, I hope you and others are correct, but I believe that most fans tend to overvalue their incoming recruits and I do not buy into the so-called rankings, particularly beyond the top 25 or so players. Whittington was not highly ranked. I still believe that there is value to retaining a couple of kids who did it the right way for 4 years and apparently are both on target to graduate. Now if there is a diamond in the rough to come in or a transfer with immediate eligibility then great take them. However, right now it seems to me that there will be unused scholarships for next year if Bowen and Moses leave or Smith does not return. For tonight I am hoping to see all the seniors play and for Starks and Lubick to go out with solid games. Hopefully there will be a crowd to express appreciation.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 4, 2014 8:35:38 GMT -5
On another note, I saw on the main page that Aaron Bowen is eligible for a medical red-shirt for 2014-2015, I'm curious as to why Moses Ayegba is not eligible for the same consideration? I apologize if this question has been asked and answered before. When Bowen went out with injury, the GU press release specifically mentioned he was eligible for a medical redshirt, Ayegba's did not. He still could be, of course. www.guhoyas.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/080811aab.html
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Post by tashoya on Mar 4, 2014 8:52:29 GMT -5
I'm not sure 2008 should be considered a very long time, unless you don't consider Chris Wright to have had an impact before he got hurt. But we've also not had a recruiting class close to this one in a very long time, so assuming that more than one of them won't have an impact simply because "it has been a very long time since the Hoyas had more than one impact freshman" seems a bit silly. Anyone who has followed these kids closely would say that there's a good chance that 3 of the 4 will have impactful seasons. I think AB has earned a 5th season this year. Moses needs to be shown the door. Not only is he not getting better, he's actually getting worse. Actually, I don't even know why I'm going back so far here. A mere two years ago we had Otto and Whit having impactful freshman seasons. You don't even have to go back that far. DSR.
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Post by centercourt400s on Mar 4, 2014 9:28:59 GMT -5
For those planning to attend the game tonight, show up early if you want to see the Senior Night ceremony. From the GU press release: "Prior to its tip-off on Tuesday, March 4 against Creighton, the Georgetown University men's basketball team will honor eight seniors participating in their final regular season game at Verizon Center. The Hoyas' game against the Bluejays starts at 7 p.m. Fans looking to attend the senior ceremony should arrive approximately 30 minutes before tip-off." www.guhoyas.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/030314aaa.html
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 4, 2014 9:32:00 GMT -5
Creighton only favored by 3 1/2. Definitely doable. Good shots, solid defense, limit turnovers. Let's move back toward that bubble.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 4, 2014 9:38:01 GMT -5
Yeah, I think we will have decent leads at points during this game. Even though we have lost 3 times, that's been the case in every home game this season. The problem is that Creighton is more dangerous than any other BE team at scoring in bunches. They did it against Xavier the other night, but Xavier held them off late. I think you just have to play the game of making other guys than McDermott beat us. If Wragge goes back to his 90% 3 pt shooting, so be it. We did a good job on McDermott in the first game in that regard.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 4, 2014 10:00:16 GMT -5
On another note, I saw on the main page that Aaron Bowen is eligible for a medical red-shirt for 2014-2015, I'm curious as to why Moses Ayegba is not eligible for the same consideration? I apologize if this question has been asked and answered before. When Bowen went out with injury, the GU press release specifically mentioned he was eligible for a medical redshirt, Ayegba's did not. He still could be, of course. www.guhoyas.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/080811aab.htmlIsn't the difference that Bowen played a few minutes the season for which he would be a medical redshirt, whereas Moses did not play at all one season? Since Moses didn't play (and didn't use a year of eligibity as Bowen did) wouldn't he be eligible for a normal redshirt? Either way, Moses should have one year of eligibility remaining.
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