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Post by daymondmyles on Apr 10, 2016 13:56:08 GMT -5
Pretty cool of Coach K to pressure Thornton into reclassifying and then pretty much give up on him midway through his first year and recruit over him. Yuck.
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Post by hoyainla on Apr 10, 2016 14:00:10 GMT -5
Thornton is a pipe dream but it's weird to see him transfer. He's a big time talent and it's not like he had a bad year. Maybe it's academics but if he truly was told to leave that's a bad look for coach K.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 10, 2016 14:21:35 GMT -5
Thornton is a pipe dream but it's weird to see him transfer. He's a big time talent and it's not like he had a bad year. Maybe it's academics but if he truly was told to leave that's a bad look for coach K. Can't be academic as you typically have to transfer to another D1 in good academic standing. Now if he transfers to a JUCO then the academic theory would be more credible. I'm actually surprised that Chase Jeter hasn't announced he's transferring as well as Duke has recruited over him as well. Maybe Jeter's waiting to see if they get Marques Bolden. I also expect to see Javin DeLaurier's name on the transfer list next year as they recruited over him in his own class, especially with Amile Jefferson returning. I do agree that it reflects poorly on Coach K. but I guarantee you he doesn't care. Added Note: I just checked out Duke's scholarship situation, and they were a scholarship over the limit before the announcement of Thornton's transfer so someone was going to be transferring. I'm very very surprised it was Thornton that is leaving. I actually expect someone else will be leaving soon if they are to add Marques Bolden who they pursuing hard into the fold as Duke is now at the scholarship limit of 13 after Thornton's transfer.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 10, 2016 14:39:16 GMT -5
The great majority of the fan base realizes the program needs to add another ball handler for next season.. I'm not confident at all in them landing a 5th year guy so I'm hoping the staff starts beating the bushes for leftover 2016 kids.. Lead guard types like Dmitrik Trice or Leland Green or Godwin Bohean.. Combo types like Eron Gordon or Marcus Ottey.. There's also Alpha Diallo & Deshawn Corprew but they're longer shots bottom line is kick the tires on anyone at this point.. If folks want explosiveness check out Ottey.. He has offers from schools like VCU, DePaul, Wichita State and interest from some P5 schools too.. www.hoopseen.com/index.php/news/headlines/itemlist/tag/Marcus%20OtteyI like Godwin Bohean also.. This team could be a tough out in a couple of years..
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 10, 2016 14:46:58 GMT -5
I like Godwin Bohean also.. This team could be a tough out in a couple of years.. I agree! Will be a team in a couple years that will scare the day lights out of a HM team when they see them as their matchup in the first round of the NCAA Tournament.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 16:38:08 GMT -5
Thornton is a pipe dream but it's weird to see him transfer. He's a big time talent and it's not like he had a bad year. Maybe it's academics but if he truly was told to leave that's a bad look for coach K. Can't be academic as you typically have to transfer to another D1 in good academic standing. Now if he transfers to a JUCO then the academic theory would be more credible. I'm actually surprised that Chase Jeter hasn't announced he's transferring as well as Duke has recruited over him as well. Maybe Jeter's waiting to see if they get Marques Bolden. I also expect to see Javin DeLaurier's name on the transfer list next year as they recruited over him in his own class, especially with Amile Jefferson returning. I do agree that it reflects poorly on Coach K. but I guarantee you he doesn't care. Added Note: I just checked out Duke's scholarship situation, and they were a scholarship over the limit before the announcement of Thornton's transfer so someone was going to be transferring. I'm very very surprised it was Thornton that is leaving. I actually expect someone else will be leaving soon if they are to add Marques Bolden who they pursuing hard into the fold as Duke is now at the scholarship limit of 13 after Thornton's transfer. If you go on the Unc board all the info is there..lol... they were reporting Thornton transferring for about a week fwiw
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 10, 2016 17:09:33 GMT -5
Can't be academic as you typically have to transfer to another D1 in good academic standing. Now if he transfers to a JUCO then the academic theory would be more credible. I'm actually surprised that Chase Jeter hasn't announced he's transferring as well as Duke has recruited over him as well. Maybe Jeter's waiting to see if they get Marques Bolden. I also expect to see Javin DeLaurier's name on the transfer list next year as they recruited over him in his own class, especially with Amile Jefferson returning. I do agree that it reflects poorly on Coach K. but I guarantee you he doesn't care. Added Note: I just checked out Duke's scholarship situation, and they were a scholarship over the limit before the announcement of Thornton's transfer so someone was going to be transferring. I'm very very surprised it was Thornton that is leaving. I actually expect someone else will be leaving soon if they are to add Marques Bolden who they pursuing hard into the fold as Duke is now at the scholarship limit of 13 after Thornton's transfer. If you go on the Unc board all the info is there..lol... they were reporting Thornton transferring for about a week fwiw What are the UNC boards suspected reasons for Thornton's transfer? What I find funny is how it's being spun by college basketball media and recruiting gurus as a positive with Frank Jackson coming in. Thornton was a higher rated prospect by most recruiting outlets then Jackson when they were in the same class. #FirstWorldProblems
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 17:18:01 GMT -5
If you go on the Unc board all the info is there..lol... they were reporting Thornton transferring for about a week fwiw What are the UNC boards suspected reasons for Thornton's transfer? What I find funny is how it's being spun by college basketball media and recruiting gurus as a positive with Frank Jackson coming in. Thornton was a higher rated prospect by most recruiting outlets then Jackson when they were in the same class. #FirstWorldProblems Been unhappy for a while supposedly add Frank coming in and when he let the staff know his concerns and that he might transfer they didnt exactly ask him to stay and yes Jeter might be on his way out too according to them
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 10, 2016 17:45:39 GMT -5
What are the UNC boards suspected reasons for Thornton's transfer? What I find funny is how it's being spun by college basketball media and recruiting gurus as a positive with Frank Jackson coming in. Thornton was a higher rated prospect by most recruiting outlets then Jackson when they were in the same class. #FirstWorldProblems Been unhappy for a while supposedly add Frank coming in and when he let the staff know his concerns and that he might transfer they didnt exactly ask him to stay and yes Jeter might be on his way out too according to them I would hope we'd be all over Jeter if he were to come available. Thornton worth a call as well.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 10, 2016 18:20:36 GMT -5
Derryck Thornton's trainer not too happy with Duke...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 10, 2016 20:34:33 GMT -5
I'm not surprised one bit by Thornton's trainer and people in his corner feeling that way about their experiences with the Duke staff. I'm sure Chase Jeter's people and Sean Obi's people have very similar feelings about Coach K. and his staff.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 23:40:43 GMT -5
Been unhappy for a while supposedly add Frank coming in and when he let the staff know his concerns and that he might transfer they didnt exactly ask him to stay and yes Jeter might be on his way out too according to them I would hope we'd be all over Jeter if he were to come available. Thornton worth a call as well. Ot a little bit I guess but I've never really paid much attention to him. Think they (Gtown) sent an asst out there his Soph year to watch him and the kid that went to UNLV Zimmerman... However out here when he committed to Duke a lot of people were commenting about how he plays soft and was overrated... Like I said I have no idea
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Apr 10, 2016 23:50:03 GMT -5
If you go on the Unc board all the info is there..lol... they were reporting Thornton transferring for about a week fwiw What are the UNC boards suspected reasons for Thornton's transfer? What I find funny is how it's being spun by college basketball media and recruiting gurus as a positive with Frank Jackson coming in. Thornton was a higher rated prospect by most recruiting outlets then Jackson when they were in the same class. #FirstWorldProblems Thornton isn't close to Jackson as a talent. Frank is real. That dude is a lottery pick waiting to happen
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 11, 2016 1:05:13 GMT -5
I would hope we'd be all over Jeter if he were to come available. Thornton worth a call as well. Ot a little bit I guess but I've never really paid much attention to him. Think they (Gtown) sent an asst out there his Soph year to watch him and the kid that went to UNLV Zimmerman... However out here when he committed to Duke a lot of people were commenting about how he plays soft and was overrated... Like I said I have no idea Yeah I thought Jeter and Zimmerman were both soft and both overrated. I remember watching on TV the 2 of them play against Ivan Rabb in a high school game in Vegas early in the season during their junior year and Ivan Rabb who was the #1 overall ranked player at that time, went right at the 2 of them and destroyed them. ATE THEM UP!!! He must have dunked on Jeter 3 or 4 times in that game. Not just drive by dunks but full on grown man, hurt your feelings, your family is covering their face and don't look at you the same no more getting dunked on. The funny part about that is even though Chase was manhandled by Rabb, he actually did a better job guarding him then Zimmerman did as Zimmerman had no chance and Rabb scored on him at will. Right then and there I hoped there was some way the Hoyas could get Rabb and was happy the staff wasn't on the Jeter or Zimmerman because they looked Charmin soft. I mean CAPITAL S O F T...SOFFFFTTTT! I was really surprised when Duke barely recruited Rabb and rolled out the red carpet for Jeter and Zimmerman. IMO both Jeter and too a lesser degree Zimmerman had very underwhelming freshmen seasons. Revisionist history but it is funny what some coaches see when they recruit kids. If Jeter does transfer, the year away from playing will only help him in terms of mentally and physically maturing because he needs it. Now back to our regularly scheduled program...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 11, 2016 1:07:43 GMT -5
What are the UNC boards suspected reasons for Thornton's transfer? What I find funny is how it's being spun by college basketball media and recruiting gurus as a positive with Frank Jackson coming in. Thornton was a higher rated prospect by most recruiting outlets then Jackson when they were in the same class. #FirstWorldProblems Thornton isn't close to Jackson as a talent. Frank is real. That dude is a lottery pick waiting to happen Everyone said the same thing about Thornton a year ago...
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 11, 2016 9:04:26 GMT -5
Can someone please explain to me what is meant by over recruiting a player? I don't quite get it because it seems like our fanbase is asking for a better recruit to pop each off season. I mean aren't we technically over recruiting TY if Keldon pops? If Chris pops should we stop recriting PGs for 2 years? IMO there is no such thing as over recruiting. I am no Coach K fan but he probably thought Grayson was gone and was thrown off by him coming back. And the games I saw I wasn't impressed at all with Thornton............
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Post by trillesthoya on Apr 11, 2016 9:14:17 GMT -5
Thornton isn't close to Jackson as a talent. Frank is real. That dude is a lottery pick waiting to happen Everyone said the same thing about Thornton a year ago... Not from what I remember. A lot of people were pointing out that he probably needed another year in high school to develop before college and he was a little too soft/didn't have that killer instinct just yet.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 11, 2016 10:31:19 GMT -5
Can someone please explain to me what is meant by over recruiting a player? I don't quite get it because it seems like our fanbase is asking for a better recruit to pop each off season. I mean aren't we technically over recruiting TY if Keldon pops? If Chris pops should we stop recriting PGs for 2 years? IMO there is no such thing as over recruiting. I am no Coach K fan but he probably thought Grayson was gone and was thrown off by him coming back. And the games I saw I wasn't impressed at all with Thornton............ I think this is a very good question, actually, I would be curious to hear other people's thoughts. I always thought of "recruiting over" as this type of situation: Team recruits Player X in high school. Player X turns out to not be that good. Team recruits Player Y at the same position to fulfill the same role, from the same class. I mean, when guys are in different classes, how can it be "recruiting over"? Is a staff expected to stop recruiting at a position simply because someone highly skilled is already there? I mean, at a school like Georgetown or Villanova, the roster tends to be stable so it's easy to make a decision like that. In contrast, for a one-and-done type of school like Duke, it seems like that type of recruiting is pretty common. For example, is recruiting Mulmore and Pryor "recruiting over" Campbell? I suppose it would be since they're in the same class. I would genuinely be interested in how others define that term, especially our resident recruiting gurus.
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 11, 2016 10:43:31 GMT -5
To me, "recruiting over" involves a scholarship crunch and the coaches pushing out another player at the position of the prospect coming in.
Having multiple players from various years competing for a position is standard in any college sport. A player may come in younger then you that is better but that's why you work hard and make the most of your greater experience.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Apr 11, 2016 11:15:21 GMT -5
Thornton isn't close to Jackson as a talent. Frank is real. That dude is a lottery pick waiting to happen Everyone said the same thing about Thornton a year ago... Nobody not once ever pegged Derrick as a lottery pick. Duke significantly upgraded talent wise with Frank. Derrick may be a more natural point guard than Frank, but he's not close to him in sheer talent
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