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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 17, 2014 12:54:42 GMT -5
Of course, the hallmark of SJU has been their incredible inconsistency, so who knows. I thought our Hoyas had a stranglehold on that title this year.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 17, 2014 12:57:27 GMT -5
We need to give Spivey more time if we want to make the tourney.
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 17, 2014 13:00:53 GMT -5
Somehow, this mess of a thread is cheering me up after last night's pounding. If the thread gets locked up, which seems likely at this point, I hope Glide and Sky will PM me the rest of their argument. I especially want to hear more about this bus trip a few years ago. It's like your superhero/villain origin story. LOL bus trip?...you mean when I was invited by Mike and Spivey to ride up to the Garden? I didn't really know the fellas but I was appreciative of the ride up and back from NYC... You got me. I wasn't actually reading all those posts. In fact, I don't even know who Spivey is. I guess I have to go back to the beginning and read them all to get the whole story. I'll either do that or bang my head against a wall for 20 minutes. Equally productive activities.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 17, 2014 13:01:01 GMT -5
There's a lot of overreacting to one game. Yesterday's game was fairly simple: they were super hot from outside, and when a team that's naturally athletic and good at driving is hot from outside, they are hard to stop. Then, when we went to make a run -- every single time we made a dumb mistake, usually by the frontcourt and often on defense, where none of them could seem to gauge the proper time to close on a shooter or play back. We had a lot of chances to win this game, but couldn't get stops. We really need to get more than 0-3, 4 TOs and 4 fouls out of TEN minutes of our starting center. It doesn't mean we can't make the NCAAs or go one a run. It doesn't make Lavin a good coach that his team was hitting from three yesterday. How dare you make an actual point here. I felt like we were on the cusp of learning about what really went down with Spivey. hm I humbly apologize to the entire board for breaking up the important discussion. If I may make an excuse for myself, I have both of them on ignore, so I wasn't following how entertaining the catfight was.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 17, 2014 14:42:07 GMT -5
Powered primarily by DSR and Starks, the Hoyas continue their stretch of excellent free throw shooting. Over the previous 10 games, we are 160-204, 78.4%. Starks is 36-44, 81.8%, while DSR is 56-60, a blistering 93.3%. Those two have shot just over half of our FTs over that span.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Feb 17, 2014 17:46:43 GMT -5
It has been known from the very beginning that the Hoyas front court was none existent this year, therefore any team with talented bigs would give them problems. Last night was no exception. Even though these same players did not play well in the first meeting, SJ nevertheless has multitalented front court players, unfortunately the Hoyas do not. Now don't get me wrong the Hoyas have big men who have a talent(rebounding,passing, athleticism, etc.), but are not multitalented. Hopkins must have played in a league that had no players over 6'5", because he thinks he can turn around and show the ball to a defender as he is going up for a shot and not get it blocked. I know he is not a center but you have to have some moves like Otto to get your shot off under the basket without getting it stuffed down your throat. Moses bless his heart, tries but just can't move laterally to either play good defense or get by his man on offense. Nate plays hard and probably is the best option at center, but is limited on offense. So when an opposing teams talented big men are playing well, the Hoyas are at a serious disadvantage like last night. All that being said, I don't usually fault the refs for a loss and I won't now, but last nights game was called differently on the Hoyas defensive end than on the SJ defensive end. It was ticky tacky fouls called on Hoya big men whereas holding and shoves were allowed on SJ defensive end in the paint. Whenever a SJ guard drove to the hoop the refs anticipated a foul even if rather offensive man initiated the contact, however when DSR or Markel did the same drive, no such anticipation was there.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 17, 2014 18:13:13 GMT -5
Powered primarily by DSR and Starks, the Hoyas continue their stretch of excellent free throw shooting. Over the previous 10 games, we are 160-204, 78.4%. Starks is 36-44, 81.8%, while DSR is 56-60, a blistering 93.3%. Those two have shot just over half of our FTs over that span. Don't forget Jabril who after coming back is 17 out of 20 for 85%.
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Post by FLHoya on Feb 17, 2014 19:53:38 GMT -5
MOD NOTE: Please try to stay on point with discussion about the St. John's game. There is always the Blue & Gray board for manhood competition posts and discussions about bus and car trips. Oops, sorry hoops. stop drinking beer and moderating lol... #FreeSpivey #123fireballs
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 19:54:33 GMT -5
Powered primarily by DSR and Starks, the Hoyas continue their stretch of excellent free throw shooting. Over the previous 10 games, we are 160-204, 78.4%. Starks is 36-44, 81.8%, while DSR is 56-60, a blistering 93.3%. Those two have shot just over half of our FTs over that span. Don't forget Jabril who after coming back is 17 out of 20 for 85%. I get on Brill a lot for yapping so it's only fair I give him his due when it's deserved. His FT shooting has been great.
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Post by FLHoya on Feb 17, 2014 19:56:00 GMT -5
I still think the double T was called after the play was over. Both players venting/ running their mouths. I didn't record the game, but maybe someone else can confirm. Any video review was likely to see if there was a flagrant foul for the elbow Jabril received. Didn't appear to be any intent. We've been on the receiving end of many rough plays and gotten the worst of them. This is almost certainly how it went down IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 20:07:37 GMT -5
I still think the double T was called after the play was over. Both players venting/ running their mouths. I didn't record the game, but maybe someone else can confirm. Any video review was likely to see if there was a flagrant foul for the elbow Jabril received. Didn't appear to be any intent. We've been on the receiving end of many rough plays and gotten the worst of them. This is so telling. For the premier brand/program/coach in the league, and the university that essentially made this whole league happen with its leadership, we get absolutely no respect from the refs. I can't remember a year where we've been on the wrong end of so many poorly ref'd games. I know there are a lot of reasons we don't get calls like Duke in the ACC but I would think there's a similar dynamic going on on a smaller scale with the new BE. The fact that, if anything, the opposite is going on is perplexing to me. I really don't understand why we have no pull in this league...
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Post by dreamhoya on Feb 17, 2014 20:28:41 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerened I'm done with this mess...I'm not your wife or girlfriend, so I don't need to be arguing over a keyboard about something so stupid ...enjoy the rest of the season and be happy...damn Mike here's a video for you It's all good, glide - love your enthusiasm for the team here and on twitter. do you, my friend.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 17, 2014 20:29:03 GMT -5
I don't think it was a good call (obviously) but I also don't think there's any conspiracy either. This group has a small margin of error. Any disadvantage, or perceived disadvantage, is going to be more glaring to us as fans. For the record, I couldn't see what happened on the floor from where I was sitting and they didn't play a replay at MSG. That's infuriating too. They don't play any replays that aren't in favor of the opposing team at the Garden. Anyway... St. John's was shooting lights out and DSR was double-teamed all game. He likely couldn't have done much more if he wanted to. Our bigs played stupid yesterday. Hop picking up cheap fouls were horrible for us. Going inside early (as they did last game against the Johnnies) wasn't working from the jump but the adjustment was slow. DSR's and Markel's reticence to shoot the 3 was glaring. Nate taking that first shot of the game was also glaring. This team can't dig a 15 point hole, pick up stupid fouls, and not get back on D against a running team and expect to win. While the Johnnies played better than they are yesterday, they also are better than many here are giving them credit for. They can play stifling defense at times and, against a team with zero inside presence because their most productive 5 picks up bad fouls, they are a better team than our Hoyas. Sampson and Obekpa developing their midrange game since last we played them is going to pay big dividends for them. If they can ever learn to shoot foul shots, not one team in the tourney is going to want to see them. I would love to see them match up with Cuse again. They do a really nice job against the zone now and we saw that yesterday. Without Hop being on the floor and productive, this group of Hoyas is a horrible matchup for them. Especially when Harrison plays under control and doesn't force shots that we're used to seeing him force. Because other guys have stepped up, he doesn't have to and, as much as I hate him, he's improved immensely in that regard during this season. We needed to play really well to win that game and we didn't. Yes, we got within 7 but it never felt that close. Even the Johnnies fan that I was sitting next to, who is very much used to late-game meltdowns, never worried once. On to Seton Hall.
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Post by dreamhoya on Feb 17, 2014 20:33:25 GMT -5
yeah that's when DSR could've gone off for 12 assists the lack of production from the bigs really hurt too.
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Post by bicentennial on Feb 17, 2014 20:34:11 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on Feb 17, 2014 20:39:21 GMT -5
yeah that's when DSR could've gone off for 12 assists the lack of production from the bigs really hurt too. The problem is assisting who exactly? I would have liked for Bowen to push it a bit more (as nothing else was really working) but there aren't many other options. The drives to the lane were met with LOTS of opposition and the Redmen were pretty good at keeping their hands up and in the passing lanes. We only win that game with a big drawing attention and our guards knocking down 3's because DSR and Markel couldn't get by their defenders easily and, when they did, they were met with shot blockers. I don't think it's a coincidence that we were trying to go inside early and for too long. Had to spread the defense. Once Hop picked up his third, that game was basically over.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 20:39:33 GMT -5
Well that's another example of our program having less pull that we should. Our AD shoulda vetoed that pick from the jump.....
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Post by tashoya on Feb 17, 2014 20:57:46 GMT -5
One thing I kept wondering yesterday when we were down big in the second was why was Reggie pretty much nailed to the bench? I know that we were getting beaten badly on the athleticism side of things but our defense was getting shredded anyway. Why not put as much potential offense on the floor as possible? It's not like Nate was having one of his better games. If Nate had been adding an inside option on offense or a big presence on defense, I guess that would make sense but that wasn't my impression yesterday. Nothing against Nate but we needed points and he wasn't really providing any.
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Post by dreamhoya on Feb 17, 2014 21:13:29 GMT -5
yeah that's when DSR could've gone off for 12 assists the lack of production from the bigs really hurt too. The problem is assisting who exactly? I would have liked for Bowen to push it a bit more (as nothing else was really working) but there aren't many other options. The drives to the lane were met with LOTS of opposition and the Redmen were pretty good at keeping their hands up and in the passing lanes. We only win that game with a big drawing attention and our guards knocking down 3's because DSR and Markel couldn't get by their defenders easily and, when they did, they were met with shot blockers. I don't think it's a coincidence that we were trying to go inside early and for too long. Had to spread the defense. Once Hop picked up his third, that game was basically over. i agree. as i wrote it i thought, who would he get it to. this should have been a breakout game for Bowen.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 17, 2014 21:20:32 GMT -5
The problem is assisting who exactly? I would have liked for Bowen to push it a bit more (as nothing else was really working) but there aren't many other options. The drives to the lane were met with LOTS of opposition and the Redmen were pretty good at keeping their hands up and in the passing lanes. We only win that game with a big drawing attention and our guards knocking down 3's because DSR and Markel couldn't get by their defenders easily and, when they did, they were met with shot blockers. I don't think it's a coincidence that we were trying to go inside early and for too long. Had to spread the defense. Once Hop picked up his third, that game was basically over. i agree. as i wrote it i thought, who would he get it to. this should have been a breakout game for Bowen. Bowen matches up best with the Johnnies in terms of athleticism but his game isn't to a point where he was going to break out against a team of guys that are about as athletic as he is. If he's going to have a breakout game, it's going be against a less athletic squad where he realizes he can blow by his man and the man after that. Blowing by his man yesterday would have led to him to shot blockers. We needed a productive 5 yesterday and someone to be a threat from distance. We had neither.
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