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Post by dreamhoya on Jan 25, 2014 9:28:32 GMT -5
Or at least give this guy some run... Ooops! I think u are touching a sore spot...Brandon Bolden left because: 1. Due to lack of PT 2. JTIII recruited Josh Smith over him, Bolden saw the writing on the wall; he is probably laughing right now at the situation 3. If Bradley Hayes does not play this year, it is a 50/50 shot that he will be back next year 4. For a player who goes to class and does his work to be eligible, I wonder how he feels about seeing Josh Smith practicing and given the starting Center position again for next year? smh if Bolden had no academic or extracurricular activities, why do you let an athletic big man go? Also, Bolden isn't a center is he? Anyway, re: Hayes I know and I think JTIII isn't flexible enough to win it all right now.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jan 25, 2014 9:54:32 GMT -5
gillery actually played one season for the kings in the nba. as for hayes, i say play him 5-10 minutes a game the rest of the way. give hopkins a bunch of minutes at the 4-5 spots. play moses a bunch and fill in hayes and lubick for the remaining minutes. the rate our bigs foul, hayes is going to have to see minutes eventually. if hayes and domingo don't see an increase in minutes then i can't imagine they'd want to return next year.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 25, 2014 10:43:40 GMT -5
Agree 100% on Gillery, but he was raw and low skilled on arrival but had that one great quality, height. Hayes is big and you can't teach tall. With this season about to go up in smoke, it's time to see if that height can be put to use.
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Post by This Just In on Jan 25, 2014 11:10:13 GMT -5
I think u are touching a sore spot...Brandon Bolden left because: 1. Due to lack of PT 2. JTIII recruited Josh Smith over him, Bolden saw the writing on the wall; he is probably laughing right now at the situation 3. If Bradley Hayes does not play this year, it is a 50/50 shot that he will be back next year 4. For a player who goes to class and does his work to be eligible, I wonder how he feels about seeing Josh Smith practicing and given the starting Center position again for next year? smh if Bolden had no academic or extracurricular activities, why do you let an athletic big man go? Also, Bolden isn't a center is he?Anyway, re: Hayes I know and I think JTIII isn't flexible enough to win it all right now. If the team plays Nate Lubick at Center, they could play the more athletic Brandon Bolden at Center.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Jan 25, 2014 11:20:13 GMT -5
Contrary to popular wisdom especially the media pundits, III's winning record at Georgetown is based more on his defense than his Princeton System offense. Playing minutes are directly tied to how well you can grasp and implement his defensive schemes in man-to-man and zone. Both schemes require knowledge of where your teammates are on the floor and the ability to cover for that teammate that is in your area of the court. Many of you have the advantage of seeing a player during the Kenner games and may have seen some offensive prowess of Bradley that his limited time on the floor during the season has not shown, but defense is not stressed at the Kenner games especially III's defense. Bradley has not shown that he is remotely ready to play defense in III's man-to-man or his zone. I know you can not walk until you crawl but if you are limited in how many points your team will score then you better try to limit the points your team gives up on defense, unless you scrap this year and let the remaining games on the schedule get treated as pre-conference games, then I don't see Bradley getting much more pt.
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Post by This Just In on Jan 25, 2014 11:33:12 GMT -5
Contrary to popular wisdom especially the media pundits, III's winning record at Georgetown is based more on his defense than his Princeton System offense. Playing minutes are directly tied to how well you can grasp and implement his defensive schemes in man-to-man and zone. Both schemes require knowledge of where your teammates are on the floor and the ability to cover for that teammate that is in your area of the court. Many of you have the advantage of seeing a player during the Kenner games and may have seen some offensive prowess of Bradley that his limited time on the floor during the season has not shown, but defense is not stressed at the Kenner games especially III's defense. Bradley has not shown that he is remotely ready to play defense in III's man-to-man or his zone. I know you can not walk until you crawl but if you are limited in how many points your team will score then you better try to limit the points your team gives up on defense, unless you scrap this year and let the remaining games on the schedule get treated as pre-conference games, then I don't see Bradley getting much more pt. I have a question for you... Reggie Cameron's defensive stats do not show that he as grasp or the ability to play good defense.. Yet Cameron is getting 20 minutes a game plus starting and giving us 1 reb, 0 assts, 0 blocks, 0 stls. The question is in your eyes, how is Cameron able to put up those numbers but Hayes can't see the court?
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Post by drquigley on Jan 25, 2014 11:50:17 GMT -5
Plus, Smith was a godawful defender. If defense was so important why would he come in and immediately start? Of course 6'10" 350 is impressive but it was embarrassing watching Smith play defense when he was more than 3 feet from the basket.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 25, 2014 11:51:56 GMT -5
Contrary to popular wisdom especially the media pundits, III's winning record at Georgetown is based more on his defense than his Princeton System offense. Playing minutes are directly tied to how well you can grasp and implement his defensive schemes in man-to-man and zone. Both schemes require knowledge of where your teammates are on the floor and the ability to cover for that teammate that is in your area of the court. Many of you have the advantage of seeing a player during the Kenner games and may have seen some offensive prowess of Bradley that his limited time on the floor during the season has not shown, but defense is not stressed at the Kenner games especially III's defense. Bradley has not shown that he is remotely ready to play defense in III's man-to-man or his zone. I know you can not walk until you crawl but if you are limited in how many points your team will score then you better try to limit the points your team gives up on defense, unless you scrap this year and let the remaining games on the schedule get treated as pre-conference games, then I don't see Bradley getting much more pt. Again, it's not rocket science. First, don't play him in man-to-man. As for zone defense, let's see Bradley in a zone when the team is playing defense on the side next to our bench. Coach him during the game. Have Hops/Cameron, Nate, DSR and Markel with him. Nate and Hops can bark instructions to him too. But, let's not make it sound as if it's such a special zone scheme that the kid cannot grasp. It makes the kid sound like an unathletic moron. Let's try it and see if it works. At this point, nothing bad can come out of it.
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Post by dreamhoya on Jan 25, 2014 12:07:50 GMT -5
Contrary to popular wisdom especially the media pundits, III's winning record at Georgetown is based more on his defense than his Princeton System offense. Playing minutes are directly tied to how well you can grasp and implement his defensive schemes in man-to-man and zone. Both schemes require knowledge of where your teammates are on the floor and the ability to cover for that teammate that is in your area of the court. Many of you have the advantage of seeing a player during the Kenner games and may have seen some offensive prowess of Bradley that his limited time on the floor during the season has not shown, but defense is not stressed at the Kenner games especially III's defense. Bradley has not shown that he is remotely ready to play defense in III's man-to-man or his zone. I know you can not walk until you crawl but if you are limited in how many points your team will score then you better try to limit the points your team gives up on defense, unless you scrap this year and let the remaining games on the schedule get treated as pre-conference games, then I don't see Bradley getting much more pt. Good points. Question is: why isn't he "remotely ready to play defense" as far as some can tell? If JTIII keeps referring to "next man up" (next man gotta be ready) then ok... Hopkins is NOT a center.
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Post by dreamhoya on Jan 25, 2014 12:09:59 GMT -5
Contrary to popular wisdom especially the media pundits, III's winning record at Georgetown is based more on his defense than his Princeton System offense. Playing minutes are directly tied to how well you can grasp and implement his defensive schemes in man-to-man and zone. Both schemes require knowledge of where your teammates are on the floor and the ability to cover for that teammate that is in your area of the court. Many of you have the advantage of seeing a player during the Kenner games and may have seen some offensive prowess of Bradley that his limited time on the floor during the season has not shown, but defense is not stressed at the Kenner games especially III's defense. Bradley has not shown that he is remotely ready to play defense in III's man-to-man or his zone. I know you can not walk until you crawl but if you are limited in how many points your team will score then you better try to limit the points your team gives up on defense, unless you scrap this year and let the remaining games on the schedule get treated as pre-conference games, then I don't see Bradley getting much more pt. Again, it's not rocket science. First, don't play him in man-to-man. As for zone defense, let's see Bradley in a zone when the team is playing defense on the side next to our bench. Coach him during the game. Have Hops/Cameron, Nate, DSR and Markel with him. Nate and Hops can bark instructions to him too. But, let's not make it sound as if it's such a special zone scheme that the kid cannot grasp. It makes the kid sound like an unathletic moron. Let's try it and see if it works. At this point, nothing bad can come out of it. BINGO!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 12:15:33 GMT -5
Contrary to popular wisdom especially the media pundits, III's winning record at Georgetown is based more on his defense than his Princeton System offense. Playing minutes are directly tied to how well you can grasp and implement his defensive schemes in man-to-man and zone. Both schemes require knowledge of where your teammates are on the floor and the ability to cover for that teammate that is in your area of the court. Many of you have the advantage of seeing a player during the Kenner games and may have seen some offensive prowess of Bradley that his limited time on the floor during the season has not shown, but defense is not stressed at the Kenner games especially III's defense. Bradley has not shown that he is remotely ready to play defense in III's man-to-man or his zone. I know you can not walk until you crawl but if you are limited in how many points your team will score then you better try to limit the points your team gives up on defense, unless you scrap this year and let the remaining games on the schedule get treated as pre-conference games, then I don't see Bradley getting much more pt. Good points. Question is: why isn't he "remotely ready to play defense" as far as some can tell? If JTIII keeps referring to "next man up" (next man gotta be ready) then ok... Hopkins is NOT a center. Are you suggesting that Hayes should play over Hopkins?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 25, 2014 12:16:26 GMT -5
I'd love to see more of Bradley Hayes. There's potential there and especially if the next few games don't go well, I'd like to see him get time. He's not going to be better than Moses or Hopkins right now (though I'd doubt he'd wreck the O) but I think by the time he hits Moses' age, he could be a better version of him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 12:18:17 GMT -5
I think u are touching a sore spot...Brandon Bolden left because: 1. Due to lack of PT 2. JTIII recruited Josh Smith over him, Bolden saw the writing on the wall; he is probably laughing right now at the situation 3. If Bradley Hayes does not play this year, it is a 50/50 shot that he will be back next year 4. For a player who goes to class and does his work to be eligible, I wonder how he feels about seeing Josh Smith practicing and given the starting Center position again for next year? smh if Bolden had no academic or extracurricular activities, why do you let an athletic big man go? Also, Bolden isn't a center is he? Anyway, re: Hayes I know and I think JTIII isn't flexible enough to win it all right now. Because he’s not very good right now. He barely played on his HS team as a Senior and looked to be a long ways away in Kenner and other playing opportunities… Needs a year away from the game to get stronger and develop his skills so transferring and having to sit out should help him...
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Post by calhoya on Jan 25, 2014 12:20:44 GMT -5
Plus, Smith was a godawful defender. If defense was so important why would he come in and immediately start? Of course 6'10" 350 is impressive but it was embarrassing watching Smith play defense when he was more than 3 feet from the basket. Smith did not play even decent defense. The real issue is that many times he simply did not try. Many of us in Socal had watched his act before and questioned whether the problem was the coach or the player. I was pleasantly surprised at some of the progress Smith made but truth be told he never made sense for a team coached by JT III. JT III had talked about recruiting long and lean players who were interchangeable at several positions. Whittington, Porter and Kyle Anderson all fit this bill. So too do Hopkins, Bowen and even Trawick, despite some of their limitations. Smith does not. He can only play one position at this time and then only for offense. Give Hayes a try and see if he can contribute a few minutes a game. Best to find out what he is right now and what he might become. This is the year to take the risk.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 25, 2014 12:31:18 GMT -5
When Josh was still playing, Georgetown kept opponents at or below 1.0 ppp in 10 of 13 games. Since Josh has been ineligible, we've kept opponents at or below 1.0 exactly once in five tries, and that was by one point, versus Butler.
There's differences in competition, but the team with Josh still defended well against VCU, K State and St. John's. And yes, Trawick has been out for the last three debacles.
Josh may have been slow, poor at rebounding and may have missed assignments, but he's large, tall and takes up space. And the defense was much better before he went out.
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Post by seaweed on Jan 25, 2014 12:41:55 GMT -5
Best to find out what he is right now and what he might become. This is the year to take the risk. This is the most frustrating aspect of all this speculation - I am pretty sure III'S know exactly what he's got, since he has worked the kid through a season and a half. Just because we don't know and want to believe, we shouldn't forget that the staff does know and doesn't believe*. * this assumes, as the common sentiment around here takes as a given, that Hayes sits because III'S doesn't trust his ball. There could be any number of other, contributing factors like injury, discipline, etc about which we would have no idea. We don't know for sure.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 25, 2014 13:08:07 GMT -5
When Josh was still playing, Georgetown kept opponents at or below 1.0 ppp in 10 of 13 games. Since Josh has been ineligible, we've kept opponents at or below 1.0 exactly once in five tries, and that was by one point, versus Butler. There's differences in competition, but the team with Josh still defended well against VCU, K State and St. John's. And yes, Trawick has been out for the last three debacles. Josh may have been slow, poor at rebounding and may have missed assignments, but he's large, tall and takes up space. And the defense was much better before he went out. +1
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 25, 2014 13:34:13 GMT -5
When Josh was still playing, Georgetown kept opponents at or below 1.0 ppp in 10 of 13 games. Since Josh has been ineligible, we've kept opponents at or below 1.0 exactly once in five tries, and that was by one point, versus Butler. There's differences in competition, but the team with Josh still defended well against VCU, K State and St. John's. And yes, Trawick has been out for the last three debacles. Josh may have been slow, poor at rebounding and may have missed assignments, but he's large, tall and takes up space. And the defense was much better before he went out. So this would mean that Moses playing more hasn't made G'town a better defensive team right? Which pokes a big hole in the reason many folks want Moses in the game..
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Post by bmartin on Jan 25, 2014 13:40:06 GMT -5
Being tall and relatively "athletic" does not mean a player is ready to play major college basketball.
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Post by TC on Jan 25, 2014 13:53:04 GMT -5
Being tall and relatively "athletic" does not mean a player is ready to play major college basketball. Ding ding ding, right thread to say it in too.
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