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Post by calhoya on Jan 25, 2014 13:55:22 GMT -5
When Josh was still playing, Georgetown kept opponents at or below 1.0 ppp in 10 of 13 games. Since Josh has been ineligible, we've kept opponents at or below 1.0 exactly once in five tries, and that was by one point, versus Butler. There's differences in competition, but the team with Josh still defended well against VCU, K State and St. John's. And yes, Trawick has been out for the last three debacles. Josh may have been slow, poor at rebounding and may have missed assignments, but he's large, tall and takes up space. And the defense was much better before he went out. Really hard to make these statements as there are many reasons to explain the poor defense, including exhaustion late in games, the absence of one post player and the loss of players due to foul trouble. As you note Trawick has been missing too. This is a big factor as defense is what Jabril offers most. Also, when Smith played we had 5 more fouls in the paint and that makes a big difference in terms of the aggressiveness of the defense. Finally, the loss of Smith and Trawick has added Cameron to the defense and this has been a defensive liability too. The Hoyas certainly could use Smith now as a presence in the paint on offense, but I do not see him as the asset on defense that you and some others do. Moreover, the lack of defense played a major part in his benching at UCLA.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 25, 2014 14:11:49 GMT -5
When Josh was still playing, Georgetown kept opponents at or below 1.0 ppp in 10 of 13 games. Since Josh has been ineligible, we've kept opponents at or below 1.0 exactly once in five tries, and that was by one point, versus Butler. There's differences in competition, but the team with Josh still defended well against VCU, K State and St. John's. And yes, Trawick has been out for the last three debacles. Josh may have been slow, poor at rebounding and may have missed assignments, but he's large, tall and takes up space. And the defense was much better before he went out. So this would mean that Moses playing more hasn't made G'town a better defensive team right? Which pokes a big hole in the reason many folks want Moses in the game.. You know, I don't know. Josh often looked terrible on defense, but he didn't always look terrible. And there are times that both Moses and Hopkins look great. But defense is a team effort -- the spectacular plays are often less important than just being in the right place. Communication is vital; help D is vital. I don't think Josh is necessarily a better defender than either of those guys, but I also don't think he was nearly as bad as people made him out to be. Like DSR or Henry Sims before him, people tend to pick on individuals on D when good D and bad D are the result of team play much more than offense. It's one reason why Otto was such a brilliant defender -- he controlled passing and driving lines by knowing where to be and how to stifle the opponents' offense by not allowing holes, by always being close enough to close out but not so close that a player could get easily get past him or force contact and a foul. People love flashy blocks, but it's much more effective to be Roy Hibbert and alter shots without leaving your feet. And as fun as it is to watch someone lock down a guy trying to drive on the outside, someone that plays like Otto -- blocking multiple lanes at once -- has a much larger impact.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 25, 2014 14:13:50 GMT -5
When Josh was still playing, Georgetown kept opponents at or below 1.0 ppp in 10 of 13 games. Since Josh has been ineligible, we've kept opponents at or below 1.0 exactly once in five tries, and that was by one point, versus Butler. There's differences in competition, but the team with Josh still defended well against VCU, K State and St. John's. And yes, Trawick has been out for the last three debacles. Josh may have been slow, poor at rebounding and may have missed assignments, but he's large, tall and takes up space. And the defense was much better before he went out. Really hard to make these statements as there are many reasons to explain the poor defense, including exhaustion late in games, the absence of one post player and the loss of players due to foul trouble. As you note Trawick has been missing too. This is a big factor as defense is what Jabril offers most. Also, when Smith played we had 5 more fouls in the paint and that makes a big difference in terms of the aggressiveness of the defense. Finally, the loss of Smith and Trawick has added Cameron to the defense and this has been a defensive liability too. The Hoyas certainly could use Smith now as a presence in the paint on offense, but I do not see him as the asset on defense that you and some others do. Moreover, the lack of defense played a major part in his benching at UCLA. Well, yeah, my point is that not Josh was an asset on D. I don't believe that. But I think there's lots of ways to accommodate weaknesses on D and I don't think he's the giant sieve people make him out to be.
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Post by dreamhoya on Jan 25, 2014 14:52:47 GMT -5
Good points. Question is: why isn't he "remotely ready to play defense" as far as some can tell? If JTIII keeps referring to "next man up" (next man gotta be ready) then ok... Hopkins is NOT a center. Are you suggesting that Hayes should play over Hopkins? No - Ayegba and Hayes would be interesting to play together with hopkins in front counrt
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 25, 2014 14:54:58 GMT -5
Are you suggesting that Hayes should play over Hopkins? No - Ayegba and Hayes would be interesting to play together with hopkins in front counrt I don't think so.
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Post by dreamhoya on Jan 25, 2014 14:55:13 GMT -5
smh if Bolden had no academic or extracurricular activities, why do you let an athletic big man go? Also, Bolden isn't a center is he? Anyway, re: Hayes I know and I think JTIII isn't flexible enough to win it all right now. Because he’s not very good right now. He barely played on his HS team as a Senior and looked to be a long ways away in Kenner and other playing opportunities… Needs a year away from the game to get stronger and develop his skills so transferring and having to sit out should help him... Yes I know this - he wasn't very good last year - but WHY wasn't he very good last year? Is it possible that he could have gotten better with some coaching over the course of the year? Just a question.
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Post by dreamhoya on Jan 25, 2014 14:59:25 GMT -5
When Josh was still playing, Georgetown kept opponents at or below 1.0 ppp in 10 of 13 games. Since Josh has been ineligible, we've kept opponents at or below 1.0 exactly once in five tries, and that was by one point, versus Butler. There's differences in competition, but the team with Josh still defended well against VCU, K State and St. John's. And yes, Trawick has been out for the last three debacles. Josh may have been slow, poor at rebounding and may have missed assignments, but he's large, tall and takes up space. And the defense was much better before he went out. +1 Josh got in the way only. What happened to him at Kansas? That's where he got exposed.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 25, 2014 15:02:00 GMT -5
Coaching and developing players isn't as easy as it seems. Every time somebody is stuck on the bench people always say they should be developed. That's easier said than done. As I have said, you can't coach up talent that doesn't exist.
People also assume that our players aren't developing. I'm sure Hayes is much better than he was 2 years ago but that doesn't mean he's ready for much game time.
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Post by bicentennial on Jan 25, 2014 15:03:21 GMT -5
Agree EMBID showed Smith's weaknesses. Not sure that he doesn't show a lot of other center's weaknesses. Suspect he will have a very long NBA career.
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Post by dreamhoya on Jan 25, 2014 15:04:30 GMT -5
Being tall and relatively "athletic" does not mean a player is ready to play major college basketball. Of course it doesn't mean that! Sigh... I'm not coach so I don't see what he sees but there's a history of players "getting it" within the offensive system. But isn't there a way of speeding up the process through coaching and reinforcement? Sims (GU's only other center) got NO run during Julian Vaughn's starting at center campaign and it hurt GU. All good points and I agree in theory but guess I just subscribe to getting players coached up and teaching players while giving them opportunities where they won't hurt the team. JTIII seems to not have that kind of patience.
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Post by dreamhoya on Jan 25, 2014 15:08:04 GMT -5
No - Ayegba and Hayes would be interesting to play together with hopkins in front counrt I don't think so. thanks for your opinion. I suspect many others don't think so either.
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Post by dreamhoya on Jan 25, 2014 15:09:35 GMT -5
Coaching and developing players isn't as easy as it seems. Every time somebody is stuck on the bench people always say they should be developed. That's easier said than done. As I have said, you can't coach up talent that doesn't exist. People also assume that our players aren't developing. I'm sure Hayes is much better than he was 2 years ago but that doesn't mean he's ready for much game time. I know, but some coaches do it and some coaches don't.
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Post by dreamhoya on Jan 25, 2014 15:11:02 GMT -5
Also, I don't think he should get more than 3-5 mins per game right now.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 25, 2014 15:17:48 GMT -5
Coaching and developing players isn't as easy as it seems. Every time somebody is stuck on the bench people always say they should be developed. That's easier said than done. As I have said, you can't coach up talent that doesn't exist. People also assume that our players aren't developing. I'm sure Hayes is much better than he was 2 years ago but that doesn't mean he's ready for much game time. Asking that we see Hayes for 5-7 minutes isn't much game time.. I don't think he should start or play 20+ minutes just get him a few mins, the folks who are playing in front of him are not high production players.. If this were Henry in his Sr. year you wouldn't read anyone clamoring to see Hayes but given the fact that it's Moses who'd most likely lose time I don't see the harm.. I have to ask again if JT3 didn't/doesn't think he's ready to play then why did he bother to play him at all this year? Why waste the kid's eligibility?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 25, 2014 15:42:17 GMT -5
thanks for your opinion. I suspect many others don't think so either. Correct. Unless we are playing twin towers, having Moses and Bradley on the floor at the same time would be a huge fail. IMO.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 25, 2014 16:14:10 GMT -5
Being tall and relatively "athletic" does not mean a player is ready to play major college basketball. Of course it doesn't mean that! Sigh... I'm not coach so I don't see what he sees but there's a history of players "getting it" within the offensive system. But isn't there a way of speeding up the process through coaching and reinforcement? Sims (GU's only other center) got NO run during Julian Vaughn's starting at center campaign and it hurt GU. All good points and I agree in theory but guess I just subscribe to getting players coached up and teaching players while giving them opportunities where they won't hurt the team. JTIII seems to not have that kind of patience. Henry Sims averaged 14 minutes a game as a junior (when Vaughn was a senior), and he was a valuable player that year. The idea often stated here that Sims was a bust until senior year isn't true and ignores his fairly productive junior season. Of course, his senior season was even better.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 25, 2014 16:15:19 GMT -5
Josh got in the way only. What happened to him at Kansas? That's where he got exposed. Better than being exposed versus Providence or Seton Hall or Marquette.
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Post by bmartin on Jan 25, 2014 16:30:48 GMT -5
One thing Smith did was draw a lot fouls. He fouled out a few opposing centers and forced others to sit with foul trouble. Our interior defense benefited by playing more minutes against backups.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 25, 2014 16:35:48 GMT -5
The way this season is spiraling, is there really a huge downside to giving this kid a few (5-10) minutes to see if he can add anything?
Loae by 5 or lose by 15, you still lose.
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Post by bmartin on Jan 25, 2014 16:36:56 GMT -5
Hopkins just had 26 rebounds and 7 blocks in two games. Moses just had 4 blocks against Marquette and is playing more minutes without committing the bad fouls and turnovers. I don't see any need for a Hayes experiment. If he was better than the players playing he would be playing.
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