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Post by JohnnyJones on Jan 4, 2015 13:07:56 GMT -5
Reggie 's stroke still looks good, he just can't quite put it in the basket with any consistency. I still have a suspicion that if he could have a breakout game where he hit 4 or 5, it could turn him around. As for now - when we have a game like we did early today, where we desperately need an outside threat - throw him in for a few minutes, see if he gets hot. If not, try someone else. Agree with both points 100%.
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Post by detmut on Jan 4, 2015 14:38:16 GMT -5
Reggie Cameron is the second best free throw shooter on the team at 85.7%. So, he could be important in tight end-of-game situations where we have a small lead.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jan 4, 2015 15:28:38 GMT -5
It seems to me, Reggie is always one or two shots away from finding his groove. What I mean by that is he stops shooting after missing one. He needs to shoot a couple just to get loose.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 4, 2015 16:52:17 GMT -5
Reggie needs to have the same attitude as 1994 NBA Finals Game Seven John Starks. Let. It. Fly. Regardless of whether the first, second, third or many more go in. If he is open and it is a good shot in the flow of the offense and game situation, it should be leaving his hands with zero hesitation.
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Post by miracles87 on Jan 4, 2015 19:34:56 GMT -5
Reggie needs to have the same attitude as 1994 NBA Finals Game Seven John Starks. Let. It. Fly. Regardless of whether the first, second, third or many more go in. If he is open and it is a good shot in the flow of the offense and game situation, it should be leaving his hands with zero hesitation. I suppose that'd be okay, so long as the Hoyas don't hire Pat Riley in the meantime...
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 4, 2015 20:19:04 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 4, 2015 20:25:00 GMT -5
Reggie needs to have the same attitude as 1994 NBA Finals Game Seven John Starks. Let. It. Fly. Regardless of whether the first, second, third or many more go in. If he is open and it is a good shot in the flow of the offense and game situation, it should be leaving his hands with zero hesitation. Didn't do Patrick any good.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 4, 2015 23:23:47 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on Jan 4, 2015 23:56:08 GMT -5
The reality seems to be that he doesn't do anything really well. At least not yet. He needs to be a knockdown shooter or be a plus defender or he will sit. I'd be very surprised if he's ever a plus defender because he's both not very agile and somewhat slow. If he bulks up and can rebound, that would be a huge plus too. I've mentioned before that I'm impressed that he actively looks to box out someone, anyone when shots go up. I love seeing that. We need more of that. There might have been some validity to the free throw argument if he had a large enough sample size to know how good he is at free throws. It would, however, be nice to have another option other than DSR to get the ball to in crunch time. As others have mentioned, while it's great for the team the more Copeland and White develop, it's not good for Cameron personally. We've been saying "he only needs to knock down a few shots" for over a year now. He's not knocking them down. His form looks OK though he doesn't seem to finish well some of the time (he tends to drift to the right) and, this year anyway, his distance doesn't seem great either. I haven't looked but I'd guess that his percentage from 3 is lower than it was last year. Again, small sample size and, from what I've seen, it looks like he's on the floor to take open threes when he comes in this year. Last year, that wasn't as much the case. At the least, that's not what he did most of the time. Now when he comes on the floor, within the first possession or two, he's shooting. That wasn't the case for most of last year. Fingers crossed that he can turn it around because a great shooter changes the complexion of this team considerably.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 4, 2015 23:58:30 GMT -5
The interesting change in course between this season and last is that Cameron started while Jabril was out injured and now he can barely garner 3 mins. a game. I would imagine that every time Reggie Cameron is on the court he feels the pressure to perform or quickly be back on the bench. Not good for the kid and his confidence...really needs to get more minutes per game than 3 mpg since Charlotte. JT3 has to find more minutes for the kid to relax and simply play and shoot.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 5, 2015 0:04:13 GMT -5
The interesting change in course between this season and last is that Cameron started while Jabril was out injured and now he can barely garner 3 mins. a game. I would imagine that every time Reggie Cameron is on the court he feels the pressure to perform or quickly be back on the bench. Not good for the kid and his confidence...really needs to get more minutes per game than 3 mpg since Charlotte. JT3 has to find more minutes for the kid to relax and simply play and shoot. This is sounding a lot like the BJ thread now. Until he earns it in practice and in the games, he doesn't deserve more if there are better options. Paul White is a better option right now.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 5, 2015 0:05:03 GMT -5
On a related note, at what point are squandered opportunities no longer the fault of the coaching staff?
Edit: What I should have added is that I think Reggie has the ability to be a really good shooter. He just hasn't done it. If it's confidence related or something else, when does that become on him as opposed to on someone else? As stated earlier, he's been given minutes, even starts, to work it out. And he hasn't yet done it. When there are guys that shoot better than him and have more versatility, at what point does it just become coddling as opposed to what is best for the team? I'd argue that nearly every available minute that PW can play that could go to Reggie should go to PW because he's earned it. I understand the multiple weapons argument and the "Reggie is a shooter" thing but we certainly haven't seen it. Jabril is a far better 3 point shooter this year and Bril passes up looks. That's something we should talk about.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 5, 2015 0:12:37 GMT -5
Not good for the kid and his confidence...really needs to get more minutes per game than 3 mpg since Charlotte. JT3 has to find more minutes for the kid to relax and simply play and shoot. This is sounding a lot like the BJ thread now. Until he earns it in practice and in the games, he doesn't deserve more if there are better options. Paul White is a better option right now. How would we know if JT3 feels he has earned it from practice? As for games, Cameron is only getting 3 mpg. Basically it's make your shot or sit down.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 5, 2015 0:19:51 GMT -5
This is sounding a lot like the BJ thread now. Until he earns it in practice and in the games, he doesn't deserve more if there are better options. Paul White is a better option right now. How would we know if JT3 feels he has earned it from practice? As for games, Cameron is only getting 3 mpg. Basically it's make your shot or sit down. I think you just answered your own question.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 5, 2015 0:27:10 GMT -5
How would we know if JT3 feels he has earned it from practice? As for games, Cameron is only getting 3 mpg. Basically it's make your shot or sit down. I think you just answered your own question. What I've heard is that Reggie is great in practice. But, just as with other alleged great 3-pt shooters in McD, for whatever reason Reggie hasn't translated it to Verizon. Is it confidence? Would it come from more pt? Or, will he go the way of other McD legends?
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Post by tashoya on Jan 5, 2015 0:44:02 GMT -5
I think you just answered your own question. What I've heard is that Reggie is great in practice. But, just as with other alleged great 3-pt shooters in McD, for whatever reason Reggie hasn't translated it to Verizon. Is it confidence? Would it come from more pt? Or, will he go the way of other McD legends? Let's say that's true. The rotation is plenty long and this squad needs shooters to open up the offense. Yet, we're all still surprised when Reggie gets time. There aren't many reasons that that would be the case. He's been given multiple looks and hasn't capitalized. Confidence is a tricky thing and can be fleeting. The coaches have to put the team on the floor that gives the team the best chance to win. Reggie, apparently, isn't part of that mix yet. Maybe he will be but he isn't right now. Some people, even successful ones, that should have confidence, just don't. And, for some people, the smallest setback or perceived shortcoming can derail whatever confidence they have. You put the ball in the hands of the person that wants it with the game on the line. If that isn't Reggie, he shouldn't have the ball. He can beast in practice then. It's not like he hasn't gotten minutes in games. He has. He just hasn't warranted more than he's been given. If he were more versatile, I'd be more inclined to agree with you. And, to be fair, he is in better shape and has improved in terms of his mobility. But not to a level that that alone is an asset. He's better than he wss. But he's not more mobile or more skilled than PW. That's unfortunate for Reggie but it's also true. And, as far as ceiling goes, he should be worried about Isaac because if Isaac can pick up his defense (and he has better ability in that regard), Reggie will only have his shot as an argument for PT. I want to see him put up Hollis percentages from 3. This team badly needs that. Especially if DSR is still going to be figuring things out for his own game. I get the pressure aspect but, at some point, he adjusts or he doesn't. I'm not saying it's a nice situation for Reggie but this is his shot. He either makes it or doesn't (apologies for the pun).
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Post by prhoya on Jan 5, 2015 1:27:50 GMT -5
Now if only JT3 could get him 10 minutes vs MU...
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 5, 2015 8:01:00 GMT -5
What I've heard is that Reggie is great in practice. But, just as with other alleged great 3-pt shooters in McD, for whatever reason Reggie hasn't translated it to Verizon. Is it confidence? Would it come from more pt? Or, will he go the way of other McD legends? Let's say that's true. The rotation is plenty long and this squad needs shooters to open up the offense. Yet, we're all still surprised when Reggie gets time. There aren't many reasons that that would be the case. He's been given multiple looks and hasn't capitalized. Confidence is a tricky thing and can be fleeting. The coaches have to put the team on the floor that gives the team the best chance to win. Reggie, apparently, isn't part of that mix yet. Maybe he will be but he isn't right now. Some people, even successful ones, that should have confidence, just don't. And, for some people, the smallest setback or perceived shortcoming can derail whatever confidence they have. You put the ball in the hands of the person that wants it with the game on the line. If that isn't Reggie, he shouldn't have the ball. He can beast in practice then. It's not like he hasn't gotten minutes in games. He has. He just hasn't warranted more than he's been given. If he were more versatile, I'd be more inclined to agree with you. And, to be fair, he is in better shape and has improved in terms of his mobility. But not to a level that that alone is an asset. He's better than he wss. But he's not more mobile or more skilled than PW. That's unfortunate for Reggie but it's also true. And, as far as ceiling goes, he should be worried about Isaac because if Isaac can pick up his defense (and he has better ability in that regard), Reggie will only have his shot as an argument for PT. I want to see him put up Hollis percentages from 3. This team badly needs that. Especially if DSR is still going to be figuring things out for his own game. I get the pressure aspect but, at some point, he adjusts or he doesn't. I'm not saying it's a nice situation for Reggie but this is his shot. He either makes it or doesn't (apologies for the pun). Absolutely agree. If he is showing the ability to be a dead-eye shooter in practice, then I'm all for giving him a few (and I do mean just a few) minutes of PT in the first half of every game, with the express instruction to let it fly when he's got an opening for a three. Ten minutes is, simply, too much. A game that is winnable could easily be lost in ten minutes of time with an 0-6 shooting performance and poor defense. I'm never willing to lose a winnable game due to lineup experimentation. (Sure, a game can be lost in two minutes of PT, too, but in that scenario, he's getting pulled after he's 0-2 and the damage is more limited, while there's actual upside possibility.) On this team, under a reasonable best-case scenario, he'd never be over 15 minutes anyway. So, by definition, he's got to be able to come in cold off the bench and perform, since that's always going to be the context for his PT. He's no different than any reserve player since the beginning of time. EDIT: Oh, and in the "cupcake" portion of the schedule, Coach did give Reggie appreciable minutes. Against non-conference foes not named Florida, Wisconsin, Butler, or Indiana (so, six overall games), Reggie averaged 12 minutes per game. He didn't shoot horribly in those games at all (5-15 from three if my math is right), but he certainly wasn't lights out either (even more to the point, he wasn't lights-out in any single game). I think those performances, coupled with what I imagine are his practice abilities, are sufficient to earn him a few minutes a game against better competition to see what he can do, particularly given our permimeter need. And, basically, that's exactly what Coach has done. We've had seven other games. In two, he didn't play. In the other five, he's gotten 6, 4, 4, 3, and 3. He was 0-4 from three in those five games. I think Coach basically has handled this one exactly correctly, with the possible exception of not getting him two minutes in those other two games (which, I think, were Indiana and Kansas).
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Post by 71hoya on Jan 5, 2015 9:49:28 GMT -5
Unlike every team that plays us, we very rarely get wide-open threes. It seems that most ofour three point shots are rushed. It also seems that instead of taking the three point shot in rhythm,we always fake the shot first. It also seems that we rarely have set plays to give our guys an open three point shot. It seems that we never have a player just sitting in the corner waiting for the ball so that he can take his three point shot. Our motion offense really doesn't allow for that. Thompson still has his team always looking for the back door cut for the easy two point shot. I think Reggie's game suffers because of this. He may get the open look but he always fakes it first, looks for the cut, and by then the true open shot is gone. It seems that most of our players do this. I'm often screaming at the TV telling the player to take the shot. In reverse, Thompson's defense always seems to be always looking to defend the inside game. Then, when the open man in the corner gets a clean look for a three, we have someone running out after him. It's always too late and it makes the defender look like he does not know what he's doing. At times I am not sure if Thompson appreciates the value of the three point shot. We don't shoot it well and we don't defend it well. The college game of basketball is all about the three. How can we bring in all of these great three-point shooters who can not shoot when they get here. Yet every other team has their best three-point shooting game against us. We know Reggie can shoot the three. Let's design some set plays to get him open so he can take it.
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Post by Jack on Jan 5, 2015 10:13:13 GMT -5
An admittedly selective list of alleged "shooters" at GU in the 3-pt era:
A. Stoudamire 31.2%, 48 attempts I. Church 30%, 94 attempts J. Nichols 30%, 120 attempts J. Thornton 50%, 4 attempts O. Wattad 29.6%, 54 attempts N. Mescheriakov 25.5%, 47 attempts S. Domingo, 11%, 27 attempts R. Cameron, 31%, 97 attempts
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