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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 3, 2015 19:10:54 GMT -5
On the heels on Domingo, how did we recruit ANOTHER guy who actually can't shoot like most people expected?
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 3, 2015 19:19:29 GMT -5
POD you are reaching. Reggie isn't in the same category of bad shooting as Domingo. I saw Reggie take 2 shots, both were dead on but short. Domingo looked like Hop shooting. I don't think there is much PT available for Reggie if PW and LJ continue playing like they have thus far but Reggie isn't a bad shooter.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 3, 2015 19:25:43 GMT -5
Well he's cumulatively shooting about 30% since he's been at Georgetown. That's terrible. Small sample size, but for a guy whose role was supposed to be "dead eye shooter" that is way off.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 3, 2015 19:32:43 GMT -5
Reggie 's stroke still looks good, he just can't quite put it in the basket with any consistency. I still have a suspicion that if he could have a breakout game where he hit 4 or 5, it could turn him around.
As for now - when we have a game like we did early today, where we desperately need an outside threat - throw him in for a few minutes, see if he gets hot. If not, try someone else.
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 3, 2015 19:47:19 GMT -5
I think we are seeing a crisis of confidence with Cameron. His playing time is dependent upon hitting that shot, and the emergence today of Tre Campbell (who brings additional abilities in running the point beyond what Cameron presents) may well cut into (a) the limited amount of court time he sees and (b) the amount of rope that JT3 is willing to give him.
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Post by Eurostar on Jan 3, 2015 20:07:41 GMT -5
Doesn't help that on defense he frequently loses his man. That being said, he's not the only one on the team to do this.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 3, 2015 20:47:23 GMT -5
I think we are seeing a crisis of confidence with Cameron. His playing time is dependent upon hitting that shot, and the emergence today of Tre Campbell (who brings additional abilities in running the point beyond what Cameron presents) may well cut into (a) the limited amount of court time he sees and (b) the amount of rope that JT3 is willing to give him. I would like to see Tre put together at least 2 good games in a row before I sm ready to anoint him. He has had a few where he was pretty invisible. Like many freshmen. That said, if he can give us half of what he gave us today - not just points, but intensity, energy, spark - we will be a much better team.
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Post by This Just In on Jan 3, 2015 22:18:27 GMT -5
Athletically Domingo and Cameron seem to be the same caliber of player.
Both players are slow-footed and need to work on lateral movement.
The interesting change in course between this season and last is that Cameron started while Jabril was out injured and now he can barely garner 3 mins. a game. I would imagine that every time Reggie Cameron is on the court he feels the pressure to perform or quickly be back on the bench.
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Post by justsaying on Jan 3, 2015 22:40:58 GMT -5
Reggie can give quality minutes if consistently get quality minutes. Confidence comes from knowing you will get those minutes on a regular basis.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 3, 2015 23:22:37 GMT -5
But how did we miss on our evaluation of both Domingo and Cameron by so much. At the very least, we expected them to be knockdown shooters. Neither was close to our best shooter at any point, probably not top 5.
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Post by jester on Jan 3, 2015 23:33:13 GMT -5
Reggie had a better performance than Trevor Cooney his first year, another "shooter" (32% vs 27% in limited minutes). The next year Cooney got tons of minutes and performed, while Reggie has not gotten the minutes. It could be Reggie lost his stroke, and perhaps has other liabilities, but it could also just be he needs to get over a hump. Unfortunately, large minutes might not be there for the taking, and it may be tough to get Reggie comfortable.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 0:52:45 GMT -5
Somebody has to be 10th man on this year's team.
When our 4 seniors leave and the freshmen come in to take their place, we'll see where he is in the pecking order. I think he'll be a contributor next year, especially if we have to go to smaller/non-traditional frontcourt lineups to cover our 5-spot deficiencies.
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Post by richfame on Jan 4, 2015 7:06:06 GMT -5
Somebody has to be 10th man on this year's team. When our 4 seniors leave and the freshmen come in to take their place, we'll see where he is in the pecking order. I think he'll be a contributor next year, especially if we have to go to smaller/non-traditional frontcourt lineups to cover our 5-spot deficiencies. Edited. See the board rules. No transfer talk, please.-Admin
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Post by calhoya on Jan 4, 2015 8:23:06 GMT -5
First, his defense is noticeably improved from last year and he is quicker, though still not quick, in his lateral movement. Additionally, he has a very natural shooting stroke and this is completely different than Domingo. Finally, his brief appearances in the game might as well come with an announcement that he is being brought in to shoot the 3. This only ramps up the pressure. I think the kid will be fine with some confidence and playing time. No matter how delirious the Hoya Nation is today after the breakout game for Tre yesterday, fact is that this team is not a good shooting team and you simply do not toss aside one of the few kids who can actually stroke the ball--even if he has yet to show that under the glare of the spotlight.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Jan 4, 2015 8:26:08 GMT -5
At the risk of stating the obvious, recruiting is not an exact science. Attributes a player appears to have in high school don't always translate to college. For whatever reason, it happens. Like not every high school star becomes a star in college. People are paid big bucks to evaluate and draft players into the NBA, NFL, MLB, etc. Everybody whiffs from time to time. Seems the best, tho, keep their mistakes to a minimum. Not an excuse, but the facts are what they are. But I'm sure there's a HoyaTalker who could correct me on this.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 4, 2015 10:06:38 GMT -5
Here's the great thing about actually playing a larger rotation. Maybe Reggie isn't a big contributor this year but he's not rotting on the bench as a 10th man with no hope of ever playing because we only play 7 guys who aren't going anywhere. Jabril, Hopkins, Smith, and Bowen all have minutes that Reggie can get next year. So maybe he doesn't have a way to crack the rotation now but he has hope because our depth doesn't end at 4 freshmen, DSR, and one of the incoming bigs next year.
Right now Reggie looks like his scholarship depends on every shot. He just needs to relax. He has time to grow as a player.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 4, 2015 10:36:45 GMT -5
Here's the great thing about actually playing a larger rotation. Maybe Reggie isn't a big contributor this year but he's not rotting on the bench as a 10th man with no hope of ever playing because we only play 7 guys who aren't going anywhere. Jabril, Hopkins, Smith, and Bowen all have minutes that Reggie can get next year. So maybe he doesn't have a way to crack the rotation now but he has hope because our depth doesn't end at 4 freshmen, DSR, and one of the incoming bigs next year. Right now Reggie looks like his scholarship depends on every shot. He just needs to relax. He has time to grow as a player. I agree, Giga. But we know from experience that III is willing to play as small or large of a rotation as he has deserving players. He is not going to play guys as a means to further development. So, the reality for Cameron is that he does need to develop this year. Because III won't be opposed to an eight man rotation next year (the four freshman, the two newcomers, DSR, and a bit of Hayes as needed). Or something even smaller than that if Cameron hasn't developed further.
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Post by nychoya3 on Jan 4, 2015 10:45:08 GMT -5
I don't put Cameron in the category of Domingo, though they're both frustrating. Domingo's shot was broken - it looked different every time and he had a slingshot motion. On the other end, Cameron's shot is generally smooth, repeatable, and with little wasted effort. He just isn't hitting them at a high enough percentage to justify playing him over other guys who do more in other areas. I don't know what JT3 or the staff could do differently about it because I'm not at practice. Sometimes you recruit guys and the things they were able to do in high school sometimes they can't do in the pros.
I would wager that Cameron shoots lights out in practice.
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 4, 2015 11:15:24 GMT -5
I also would not compare Cameron to Domingo. I think Cameron has a much more natural shot and can probably do more all around than Domingo could, at least he is physically more rugged. I am frustrated that he is unable to make the shots he gets, yesterday he had 2 wide open looks. However, I agree with the folks who said, there is probably way too much pressure on him to make every single shot he takes. He knows his role is to shoot and if it does not fall, he will get pulled. That has to be a tough place to be. This is one case where I wish III would have given him more time in the preseason to develop a confidence, even if it is only at the Verizon, to take and make open shots.
Next season, I think Cameron will get much more PT. I see an opportunity for him for sure. The Hoyas will still lack shooters, if he could get his confidence, he would be a real weapon for next year's team. Also his size would allow him to play in the frontcourt, and who knows what we will have with the freshmen next season. I though Copeland/Leak would be our dominant frosh this season, and that is not the case.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 4, 2015 11:39:43 GMT -5
Right now Reggie looks like his scholarship depends on every shot. He just needs to relax. He has time to grow as a player. You can see him clap his hands on the defensive end after he misses a shot with a look like "I can't believe I missed another one". I'm sure nobody is more frustrated than he is. I thought he'd get going when hit hit those 2 free throws but yesterday wasn't the day. He has improved defensively - the shots need to keep coming when he is in there and open. They'll start falling but you're right: relaxing and playing without worrying if the shot is going to fall is key.
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