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Post by mfk24 on Jan 27, 2015 11:55:34 GMT -5
I'm not even knocking the kid. I want him to succeed. I'd love to see him start raining threes on people. Maybe he gets a chance to break out tonight if we're short handed. All I'm saying is that it's a little weird that our last two recruits who were brought in to basically just make open 3s haven't be able to do that and it's a little strange considering that it would seem to be an easily translatable skill. It's merely an observation, not even a criticism. I also said it's more likely that Cameron breaks out of the slump eventually because his mechanics are sound and his release is quick, whereas Domingo's mechanics were a mess everytime he decided to shoot. The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to think it's a result of JTIII not expecting them to just[/i] shoot 3s. The open shots they get are in the flow of the offense not necessarily plays designed for them to get open shots whether that's coming off screens or around curls etc.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 27, 2015 12:23:12 GMT -5
I'm not even knocking the kid. I want him to succeed. I'd love to see him start raining threes on people. Maybe he gets a chance to break out tonight if we're short handed. All I'm saying is that it's a little weird that our last two recruits who were brought in to basically just make open 3s haven't be able to do that and it's a little strange considering that it would seem to be an easily translatable skill. It's merely an observation, not even a criticism. I also said it's more likely that Cameron breaks out of the slump eventually because his mechanics are sound and his release is quick, whereas Domingo's mechanics were a mess everytime he decided to shoot. I don't disagree with any of this. Just saying it's not a uncommon occurrence.
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 27, 2015 12:31:50 GMT -5
I resisted clicking into this thread for so, so long, because I was totally uninterested in any discussion about Reggie Cameron. Now that I've seen what's here--yep, shouldn't have done it.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 27, 2015 13:16:43 GMT -5
I'm not even knocking the kid. I want him to succeed. I'd love to see him start raining threes on people. Maybe he gets a chance to break out tonight if we're short handed. All I'm saying is that it's a little weird that our last two recruits who were brought in to basically just make open 3s haven't be able to do that and it's a little strange considering that it would seem to be an easily translatable skill. It's merely an observation, not even a criticism. I also said it's more likely that Cameron breaks out of the slump eventually because his mechanics are sound and his release is quick, whereas Domingo's mechanics were a mess everytime he decided to shoot. The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to think it's a result of JTIII not expecting them to just shoot 3s. The open shots they get are in the flow of the offense not necessarily plays designed for them to get open shots whether that's coming off screens or around curls etc. Reggie Cameron has taken 24 shots this year (not including free throws). 22 of 24 have been three point shots. When he comes in, he's there to shoot threes.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 27, 2015 13:19:54 GMT -5
I'm not even knocking the kid. I want him to succeed. I'd love to see him start raining threes on people. Maybe he gets a chance to break out tonight if we're short handed. All I'm saying is that it's a little weird that our last two recruits who were brought in to basically just make open 3s haven't be able to do that and it's a little strange considering that it would seem to be an easily translatable skill. It's merely an observation, not even a criticism. I also said it's more likely that Cameron breaks out of the slump eventually because his mechanics are sound and his release is quick, whereas Domingo's mechanics were a mess everytime he decided to shoot. I don't disagree with any of this. Just saying it's not a uncommon occurrence. I guess you're right. It probably happens all over the country.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 27, 2015 13:45:33 GMT -5
I don't disagree with any of this. Just saying it's not a uncommon occurrence. I guess you're right. It probably happens all over the country. Always hard to tell on these sorts of things. Looking at his high school stats he averaged 24 pts, 8 reb, 4 assts. The 8 rebounds in particular might mean that he was facing significantly smaller opponents since he's not a rebounding machine at the college level. Some high schools, 6-7 might be tall enough to be center. He might have simply been able to shoot over opposing shooting guards with his height, who knows. At the college level the size, quickness and defensive ability of his opponents is alot better so it may take more time to adjust to that level and create the space or opening for his shot. So while the shooting form may be the same, it isn't always an easily translatable skill from high school to college because there are alot of variables.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 27, 2015 13:48:08 GMT -5
Well said, Professor. It is not as easy it is might seem to some folks.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 27, 2015 15:41:57 GMT -5
To move this thread in a positive direction, if Peak and Trawick are out Cameron will certainly play at least a ew minutes and likely take a few threes. Let's hope they go in.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 27, 2015 15:47:35 GMT -5
Perhaps his best game was on the road versus Xavier last year.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 27, 2015 16:21:06 GMT -5
I guess you're right. It probably happens all over the country. Always hard to tell on these sorts of things. Looking at his high school stats he averaged 24 pts, 8 reb, 4 assts. The 8 rebounds in particular might mean that he was facing significantly smaller opponents since he's not a rebounding machine at the college level. Some high schools, 6-7 might be tall enough to be center. He might have simply been able to shoot over opposing shooting guards with his height, who knows. At the college level the size, quickness and defensive ability of his opponents is alot better so it may take more time to adjust to that level and create the space or opening for his shot. So while the shooting form may be the same, it isn't always an easily translatable skill from high school to college because there are alot of variables. I live right down the street from our local High school so I go to a lot of games. Our HS plays in a top (quad a) division. I swear a 6'7" HS player can easily put up Reggies stats and not be that good a Div 1 player. That height is very unusual for many HS bball teams and allows you to look on paper a lot better than you will look when you play in Div 1 against guys as big and as quick as you every night. Look at Hopkins. On paper his HS numbers look great. But he never showed the strength, speed, and leaping ability (except on D) at GU that you would have expected. At times he just looks surprised that the shots he took at DeMatha are being blocked at GU. Face it, at 6'9" he hardly ever had to go hard to the hoop in HS. Yes he played in a tough league but was still probably the biggest guy on the court in most of his games. If I were Reggie and I wanted to play college ball I'd transfer to a D2 school where I could start and see some real playing time.
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Post by krukster201 on Jan 27, 2015 16:47:10 GMT -5
Watching Reggie in H.S here in Jersey , My main concerns have always been :
1.) speed at the next level 2.) defense 3.) confidence
There is no question Reggie can shoot the rock and I haven't figured out what his problem may be. In AAU he played against the top comp and was successful and he also played very good comp throughout his entire H.S career. I was hoping with the weight loss and strength program he receives at GU it would've increased his level of play. My guess is #3 .. He needs more confidence and has to earn his time and JTIII's trust as well as his teammates. I for one , will not give up on the kid nor bash him. I hope he takes that next step sooner or later. We can use another shooter on that perimeter.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 27, 2015 17:22:15 GMT -5
Always hard to tell on these sorts of things. Looking at his high school stats he averaged 24 pts, 8 reb, 4 assts. The 8 rebounds in particular might mean that he was facing significantly smaller opponents since he's not a rebounding machine at the college level. Some high schools, 6-7 might be tall enough to be center. He might have simply been able to shoot over opposing shooting guards with his height, who knows. At the college level the size, quickness and defensive ability of his opponents is alot better so it may take more time to adjust to that level and create the space or opening for his shot. So while the shooting form may be the same, it isn't always an easily translatable skill from high school to college because there are alot of variables. I live right down the street from our local High school so I go to a lot of games. Our HS plays in a top (quad a) division. I swear a 6'7" HS player can easily put up Reggies stats and not be that good a Div 1 player. That height is very unusual for many HS bball teams and allows you to look on paper a lot better than you will look when you play in Div 1 against guys as big and as quick as you every night. Look at Hopkins. On paper his HS numbers look great. But he never showed the strength, speed, and leaping ability (except on D) at GU that you would have expected. At times he just looks surprised that the shots he took at DeMatha are being blocked at GU. Face it, at 6'9" he hardly ever had to go hard to the hoop in HS. Yes he played in a tough league but was still probably the biggest guy on the court in most of his games. If I were Reggie and I wanted to play college ball I'd transfer to a D2 school where I could start and see some real playing time. First of all, Hopkins played in the best HS league in the country, so I don't think it was an issue of competition. Secondly, this is not Reggie's problem, as I noted before, because there isn't much of a transition from the high school level to the college level for a good outside shooter. It's an easily translatable skill.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 27, 2015 17:22:41 GMT -5
I hear you but I don't think AAU ball is a good test. Not enough focus on D. Kids aren't trying to impress college coaches with their D. They are all about offense. When they get to a good D1 program and face tough, aggressive man and zone defenses they don't have the time (and therefore the confidence) to shoot like they did in HS. I just don't think Reggie will get much more playing time. Too many good forwards on the team and more coming.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 27, 2015 17:33:01 GMT -5
Secondly, this is not Reggie's problem, as I noted before, because there isn't much of a transition from the high school level to the college level for a good outside shooter. It's an easily translatable skill. So who exactly are you blaming?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 17:33:35 GMT -5
I hear you but I don't think AAU ball is a good test. Not enough focus on D. Kids aren't trying to impress college coaches with their D. They are all about offense. When they get to a good D1 program and face tough, aggressive man and zone defenses they don't have the time (and therefore the confidence) to shoot like they did in HS. I just don't think Reggie will get much more playing time. Too many good forwards on the team and more coming. Reggie Cameron has not been very good but the dude is not a D2 player. He played in a very competitive high school league, showed out in AAU and was a consensus top 75 player. Yes, we get it, he shouldn't be getting a lot of minutes with the roster we have right now, but why run him off if he doesn't want to go? Let's be real. People were saying the same thing about Bowen and Sims their sophomore years also. Let the kid develop and lets see where he is next year or senior year. He might still wind up being a key player that wins us games someday, in which case I suspect there won't be much complaining. And if not, he'll sit the bench. I've yet to see him actually lose us a game yet so all this harping is all hypothetical....
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 27, 2015 18:41:39 GMT -5
To move this thread in a positive direction, if Peak and Trawick are out Cameron will certainly play at least a ew minutes and likely take a few threes. Let's hope they go in. This. A few 3's and this thread will go in a much different direcrion .
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 27, 2015 20:33:15 GMT -5
Secondly, this is not Reggie's problem, as I noted before, because there isn't much of a transition from the high school level to the college level for a good outside shooter. It's an easily translatable skill. So who exactly are you blaming? The OP was suggesting that the transition to this level of play was the reason for his poor play. I don't believe that's a valid excuse for a shooter.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 27, 2015 21:05:31 GMT -5
Hard to see how Reggie could have played any worse than almost every guy on our squad tonight.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 28, 2015 0:09:18 GMT -5
To suggest that Reggie transfer to a D2 school is outrageous.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 28, 2015 13:28:21 GMT -5
Hard to see how Reggie could have played any worse than almost every guy on our squad tonight. Not even the token 3 minutes/1 shot try?
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