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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 13, 2013 11:40:39 GMT -5
I think part of the problem with Hayes is that he has a lot of people ahead of him on the depth chart - certainly, Smith, Moses, and Hopkins, and possibly Lubick (not sure that John Thompson III would play Hayes in the PF role). The odds of Hayes getting playing time are really low for that reason alone.
While people criticize John Thompson for not playing enough people, the fact is he doesn't keep great players on the bench. If Hayes hasn't broken through it's because Hayes hasn't performed better than the 4 guys listed above. In the limited time Hayes did get last year, he didn't show much.
I'm sure that's why Brandon Bolden left after last year. He was also buried on the depth chart, with little to no hope of getting minutes anytime soon.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 13, 2013 11:47:27 GMT -5
the people best suited for that position (Bowen/Cameron/Domingo) are generally inexperienced and unproven.
How can anyone still think Bowen is inexperienced. His 4th year in the program with a supposed redshirt year and he still looks lost on both sides of the court. He may have a great deal of athletic ability but i have yet to see it translated with anything approaching consistency in his game. We can all get excited with his ability taking the ball to the basket when he is for the most part unguarded but when it comes to passing, on his dribble,shooting and his defense he appears to be little farther along than 24 months ago.
yes we are challenged at the 3 and with Trawick playing in 3 guard rotation we are left with Caprio to provide depth. Its really a nightmare situation with any kind of foul trouble let alone any kind of injury. We wonder why we saw defensively the ole effort on the ball. Hope we don't get used t it but not sure what the change is.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Nov 13, 2013 11:59:30 GMT -5
While I don't think we should expect a defensive team like last years -- we've replaced minutes by Otto Porter with Josh Smith, for the most part (even just looking post-Whittington ineligibility). That's not a positive. That said, the way that game was called was new -- and even if it does continue (unlikely, I think), everyone will adjust. The D will get better. The question is, Oregon fouled us a lot as well -- will the offense? We had 31 fouls in that game. Outside of two block/charge calls and maybe 2-3 perimeter fouls, the vast majority of our fouls would have been fouls last year too. The D will get better (it has to or we are in trouble), but barring vast improvement from Domingo/Cameron/Bowen/Smith, I don't see this being a defense that even approaches what we've had the last couple years. Borderline top 25 at best, and even that might have some pro-Hoya bias in it. As far as the offense, think about this - if we had gone 1-15 from 3 in a game last year and defend as poorly as we did against Oregon, we probably lose in an epic blowout. The fact that we have Smith to operate on the low block when the outside shots aren't falling is one hell of a nice security blanket. 1-15 is not going to happen very often. We know this team has capable shooters. The offense is a significantly smaller concern to me. Otto will be missed more on D than O this year I think.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 13, 2013 12:16:09 GMT -5
I think part of the problem with Hayes is that he has a lot of people ahead of him on the depth chart - certainly, Smith, Moses, and Hopkins, and possibly Lubick (not sure that John Thompson III would play Hayes in the PF role). The odds of Hayes getting playing time are really low for that reason alone. While people criticize John Thompson for not playing enough people, the fact is he doesn't keep great players on the bench. If Hayes hasn't broken through it's because Hayes hasn't performed better than the 4 guys listed above. In the limited time Hayes did get last year, he didn't show much. I'm sure that's why Brandon Bolden left after last year. He was also buried on the depth chart, with little to no hope of getting minutes anytime soon. Bingo.
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Post by goraiders93 on Nov 13, 2013 13:11:38 GMT -5
Hey Hoyas! Raider fan here. Hope we see a good clean game tonight. Billy Donlon is a very defensive coach, and the only way the Raiders hang in is that defense paying off, combined with a great shooting night from Wright State.
I see the size of your guys making it very difficult on WSU. Georgetown will dominate on the boards.
I've seen a few of you mention our injuries, and we do have a couple of question marks in senior forward Cole Darling, who went down in an exhibition, and point guard Reggie Arceneaux. It appears at least Reggie will be ready to go, if not both. Also, Butler transfer Crishawn Hopkins is not eligible until the end of fall semester.
Good luck the rest of the season! Here's to an injury-free and fun game. Go raiders!
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Post by hoyaloya on Nov 13, 2013 13:11:40 GMT -5
Is there a bit of inconsistency here? If Hayes is not getting time, it is because Coach knows best. How does that square with Coach should be playing Cameron and Domingo more? Why isn't the answer there that Coach knows best?
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 13, 2013 13:12:36 GMT -5
I think part of the problem with Hayes is that he has a lot of people ahead of him on the depth chart - certainly, Smith, Moses, and Hopkins, and possibly Lubick (not sure that John Thompson III would play Hayes in the PF role). The odds of Hayes getting playing time are really low for that reason alone. While people criticize John Thompson for not playing enough people, the fact is he doesn't keep great players on the bench. If Hayes hasn't broken through it's because Hayes hasn't performed better than the 4 guys listed above. In the limited time Hayes did get last year, he didn't show much. I'm sure that's why Brandon Bolden left after last year. He was also buried on the depth chart, with little to no hope of getting minutes anytime soon. Moses played 9 minutes a game last season and Avg'd 1.3 ppg, 2.5 rpg & 0.3 blocks per game. This was after 3 years in the program.. Against Oregon he played 6 minutes and had 0 points, 0 rebounds & 0 blocks to start the year.. Why can't the staff give Hayes a shot at those minutes? What's the downside? So why does JT3 recruit these kids if they aren't talented & can't play? Btw, I'm all for seeing Hopkins get some of Nate's minutes too.. I'm for Domingo getting Bowen's minutes ect.. I say get the underclassmen as much experience as possible..
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Post by jester on Nov 13, 2013 13:13:02 GMT -5
Unfortunately Moses hasnt done that much either. No reason to think Hayes at least on the defensive end can contribute. All those guys could still be here next year.
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Post by goraiders93 on Nov 13, 2013 13:21:51 GMT -5
Additionally, big man Tavares Sledge is suspended and Matt Vest and Miles Dixon are banged up, which I think you mentioned here already.
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Post by whipple on Nov 13, 2013 13:25:50 GMT -5
No need to worry about going 10 deep--imminent foul trouble will dictate a deep bench for the foreseeable future. These new foul rules were written to restrain top-defenses and the refs automatically have a quota for a team like Georgetown who keeps their opponents to low scores and FG%.
My biggest worry about seeing the Wright St. game in person is that I'm going to act like a child at his first game with all my semi-rhetorical "what foul did they call there?"-questions.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 13, 2013 13:49:56 GMT -5
My biggest worry about seeing the Wright St. game in person is that I'm going to act like a child at his first game with all my semi-rhetorical "what foul did they call there?"-questions. Funny! Enjoy your first home game of the season.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 13, 2013 14:04:46 GMT -5
Unfortunately Moses hasnt done that much either. No reason to think Hayes at least on the defensive end can contribute. All those guys could still be here next year. Or not. If Josh has a hell of a season, he might be gone after this season. With Nate's graduation, we could be left with a frontcourt of Moses, Hopkins and Hayes, with Copeland having to contribute at the 4. Will that make Moses the starter or will Hopkins want/need to go back to the 5? BTW, that does not even consider the possibility that Moses might not return for his 5th year. Shouldn't Hayes be playing some minutes now instead of waiting until he has to play because there is no one else? I'm all for you earn your time in practice, but at the same time the only way to shake the deer-caught-in-headlights look is with game playing time.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 13, 2013 15:23:11 GMT -5
[Moses played 9 minutes a game last season and Avg'd 1.3 ppg, 2.5 rpg & 0.3 blocks per game. This was after 3 years in the program.. Against Oregon he played 6 minutes and had 0 points, 0 rebounds & 0 blocks to start the year.. Why can't the staff give Hayes a shot at those minutes? What's the downside? So why does JT3 recruit these kids if they aren't talented & can't play? Btw, I'm all for seeing Hopkins get some of Nate's minutes too.. I'm for Domingo getting Bowen's minutes ect.. I say get the underclassmen as much experience as possible.. Regarding last year, I actually agree that Moses should have had more time because Hopkins was so bad at times that there was no way that Moses could be worse. He did get more time toward the end of the season, when John Thompson III realized that we needed more size against the Big East teams, and when he saw that Hopkins was not doing well. Again, I don't mean to knock Hopkins, and think he could be a valuable contributor this year, but he struggled last year. As far as Hayes is concerned, I don't think there's much room for him to get minutes at the 5. Smith will probably take at least 20-25 a game if he can stay in shape. Figure that Moses might get 5-10, and Hopkins might get another 5 minutes at center, depending on rotations and/or fouls. That's almost the full 40 minutes right there, which means there's really no room for Hayes. Why Moses over Hayes? I don't know, but apparently John Thompson III feels Moses is better equipped to provide that time. Last year, Moses definitely looked better than Hayes did in his limited time playing. It's true that we could end up with a front court next year that only has Hopkins and Hayes (which would be very thin), but there's a possibility Smith and/or Moses will come back, so we may be fine. If Smith and Moses do leave after this year, then Hayes is pretty much guaranteed to get time next year. If Hayes isn't ready, that's not necessarily a bad thing. Henry Sims barely played as a sophomore and made a big jump in his junior year, and an even bigger one during his senior year.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 13, 2013 18:18:45 GMT -5
[Moses played 9 minutes a game last season and Avg'd 1.3 ppg, 2.5 rpg & 0.3 blocks per game. This was after 3 years in the program.. Against Oregon he played 6 minutes and had 0 points, 0 rebounds & 0 blocks to start the year.. Why can't the staff give Hayes a shot at those minutes? What's the downside? So why does JT3 recruit these kids if they aren't talented & can't play? Btw, I'm all for seeing Hopkins get some of Nate's minutes too.. I'm for Domingo getting Bowen's minutes ect.. I say get the underclassmen as much experience as possible.. Regarding last year, I actually agree that Moses should have had more time because Hopkins was so bad at times that there was no way that Moses could be worse. He did get more time toward the end of the season, when John Thompson III realized that we needed more size against the Big East teams, and when he saw that Hopkins was not doing well. Again, I don't mean to knock Hopkins, and think he could be a valuable contributor this year, but he struggled last year. As far as Hayes is concerned, I don't think there's much room for him to get minutes at the 5. Smith will probably take at least 20-25 a game if he can stay in shape. Figure that Moses might get 5-10, and Hopkins might get another 5 minutes at center, depending on rotations and/or fouls. That's almost the full 40 minutes right there, which means there's really no room for Hayes. Why Moses over Hayes? I don't know, but apparently John Thompson III feels Moses is better equipped to provide that time. Last year, Moses definitely looked better than Hayes did in his limited time playing. It's true that we could end up with a front court next year that only has Hopkins and Hayes (which would be very thin), but there's a possibility Smith and/or Moses will come back, so we may be fine. If Smith and Moses do leave after this year, then Hayes is pretty much guaranteed to get time next year. If Hayes isn't ready, that's not necessarily a bad thing. Henry Sims barely played as a sophomore and made a big jump in his junior year, and an even bigger one during his senior year. Moses really could have helped us vs Florida Gulf Coast with his defense, rebounding, athleticism and size. There was nobody on Florida Golf Coast that could physically match up with his strength. The worst thing that happened was when Hopkins had that big game towards the end of the season because that reasserted him as the primary 5 for the NCAA tournament and put Moses on the bench.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 13, 2013 18:31:51 GMT -5
I actually think that the best tandem is Joshua Smith at center and Moses at power forward. This would be a Bill Laimbeer and Rick Mahorn/John Sally symbiotic relationship where Laimbeer played power forward and grabbed defensive boards on defense while Mahorn/Salley played center patrolling the paint and blocking shots and then on offense Laimbeer would be the post up center and Mahorn/Salley would be looking for offensive boards.
On offense Joshua Smith would be the post up center and either score or kick out pass to the 3pt shooters which would leave Moses free to grab the offensive rebounds around the space eating Joshua. Defensively Moses would be the shot blocking force while Joshua would create a defensive wall and seal his man off. Lubick can provide a similar rebounding role just like Moses but he lacks the shot blocking presence and defensive intimidation factor that Moses has on the defensive end.
I don't see this happening that much because Moses is the backup 5 while Lubick & Hopkins are slated at the 4 but if I had my druthers the Joshua/Moses unit would be the unit I would play alot.
As far as Josuha Smith in his best year (freshman year) he averaged 1 shot block a game. So I don't see him ever being a Hibbert-Mutombo-Mourning-Ewing type shotblocking force. That's not his game.
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 13, 2013 19:06:09 GMT -5
Markel feeling good early, lets hope he keeps it up.
Need to feed Josh down low more though.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 13, 2013 19:07:29 GMT -5
Why is maryland showing on fs1 in CT
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 13, 2013 19:09:48 GMT -5
yeah getting the maryland game here in philly too wtf!
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 13, 2013 19:11:07 GMT -5
Josuha Smith . . . Need Help! Vitaly Potapenko where are you? - Wright State
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Post by 3xhoya on Nov 13, 2013 19:11:47 GMT -5
Is FS1 really playing an ACC game!?
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