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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Mar 26, 2013 2:56:09 GMT -5
Yes. I'm REALLY frustrated with the staff's evaluation of Greg Whittington...and Otto Porter....and Jabril Trawick.... You win some, you lose some. But the staff, IMO, has recruited plenty of talent. Just have to win in the postseason true, but jtiii really needs to start using some of the players he recruits. moses and bowen namely through 3 yrs they here (2 yrs barring the injury and redshirting) and domingo. sometimes i feel like coach just brings them in without thinking far ahead about how he is actually going to use them in game plan.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 26, 2013 11:47:54 GMT -5
I felt slightly better after the FGCU, but now I just feel worse. How many days until Midnight Madness?
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 26, 2013 12:17:38 GMT -5
In all seriousness, wouldn't you agree that the four most memorable Cinderellas since George Mason are Davidson, VCU, Butler, and FGCU? Heck no because FGCU is not a Cinderella team...the committee put them at 15 for the story and $$$$ they know they're not a 15 seeded team they beat Miami, Florida and almost Duke ... know the game!!!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 26, 2013 12:18:14 GMT -5
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 26, 2013 12:19:38 GMT -5
Yes. I'm REALLY frustrated with the staff's evaluation of Greg Whittington...and Otto Porter....and Jabril Trawick.... You win some, you lose some. But the staff, IMO, has recruited plenty of talent. Just have to win in the postseason true, but jtiii really needs to start using some of the players he recruits. moses and bowen namely through 3 yrs they here (2 yrs barring the injury and redshirting) and domingo. sometimes i feel like coach just brings them in without thinking far ahead about how he is actually going to use them in game plan. yes u have to show trust and use everyone all the time or most of the time...
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Post by guru on Mar 26, 2013 12:21:42 GMT -5
In all seriousness, wouldn't you agree that the four most memorable Cinderellas since George Mason are Davidson, VCU, Butler, and FGCU? Heck no because FGCU is not a Cinderella team...the committee put them at 15 for the story and $$$$ they know they're not a 15 seeded team they beat Miami, Florida and almost Duke ... know the game!!! Uh, they didn't beat Florida. Yet. Otherwise, your post is utterly ridiculous.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 26, 2013 12:24:08 GMT -5
I feel worse now personally. It's one thing to choke each year against bad teams that have no business beating you. It's another to choke against teams you probably deserved to avoid in the first place. Why should you feel worse you should feel happy knowing this FGCU team is and was no fluke and shouldn't have been seeded 15...they are for real...
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 26, 2013 12:26:16 GMT -5
I don't really care if FGCU is over- or under-seeded. Sure, we have had some terrible luck with match-ups, but it does not change the fact that we should have beat this team, Ohio, and Davidson (not so sure about VCU). Were they tougher match-ups than they should have been? Sure, but we did not take care of business. True...we should of came out aggressive, pressssssssssssssssssssssssss and attack we would have won ...I couldn't believe they whoop our bleep's like that ...took em lightly...
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Post by deacon on Mar 26, 2013 14:00:43 GMT -5
In all seriousness, wouldn't you agree that the four most memorable Cinderellas since George Mason are Davidson, VCU, Butler, and FGCU? Heck no because FGCU is not a Cinderella team...the committee put them at 15 for the story and $$$$ they know they're not a 15 seeded team they beat Miami, Florida and almost Duke ... know the game!!! The committee put them at 15 because they deserved to be at 15. And Duke beat them by 21 points.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 26, 2013 14:03:06 GMT -5
I don't really care if FGCU is over- or under-seeded. Sure, we have had some terrible luck with match-ups, but it does not change the fact that we should have beat this team, Ohio, and Davidson (not so sure about VCU). Were they tougher match-ups than they should have been? Sure, but we did not take care of business. No one is disagreeing. What we are saying is that, besides Ohio, we are being matched up with sweet sixteen/final four/elite eight quality teams every year in the first round/first game when our play that season earned us the right to avoid them until later. Our 2008 team should never have been playing Davidson in North Carolina in the second round. VCU was clearly an underseeded 11 and FGCU is the best 15 seed in the history of the tournament is playing to the level of at least a 9 seed. So true sleepy! He's awakened lol
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 26, 2013 14:04:12 GMT -5
I don't really care if FGCU is over- or under-seeded. Sure, we have had some terrible luck with match-ups, but it does not change the fact that we should have beat this team, Ohio, and Davidson (not so sure about VCU). Were they tougher match-ups than they should have been? Sure, but we did not take care of business. No one is disagreeing. What we are saying is that, besides Ohio, we are being matched up with sweet sixteen/final four/elite eight quality teams every year in the first round/first game when our play that season earned us the right to avoid them until later. Our 2008 team should never have been playing Davidson in North Carolina in the second round. VCU was clearly an underseeded 11 and FGCU is the best 15 seed in the history of the tournament is playing to the level of at least a 9 seed. U mean more on the level of 2 seed lol
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Post by nashvillehoyas on Mar 26, 2013 14:22:37 GMT -5
Nashvillle, David Lipscomb, a poor team beat FGCU twice. They really didn't deserve anything other than that ridiculous play in game. "Winners give reasons for winning, losers make excuses for losing." Georgetown should be better than creating a ridiculous excuse for losing to an inferior team.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 26, 2013 14:23:55 GMT -5
Even if one wants to take the position that we still should have beaten those teams, the atmospherics would be very different if they'd been properly seeded and therefore by definition pulled the upset in the Sweet Sixteen rather than early when such upsets are shocking. It's very easy to say things like this in retrospect, but FGC, a 10 loss team out of one of the bottom five conferences, did not deserve anything higher than a 14 or 13 seed coming into this tournament. Now if you reseeded now, sure, maybe they bump up a few lines - but that's not how it works. On the other hand, the Hoyas could have been on the 3 line when the bracket was announced, and we may have seen them in the 3-14 game. And if you reseeded the tourney again right now, Gtown wouldn't be a 2. The only egregious seeding situation that happened with us was Davidson in 2008. Playing that team in its home state was not fair. But the Hoyas still should have won. And Florida Gulf Coast? Georgetown should beat Florida Gulf Coast 8 days a week, so let's stop sounding like a bunch of cowards and boo-hooing about the seeding. deleted they beat ACC Champ and history making Miami and Florida and ran up on Duke SAVE IT! Committee knew what they doing from the refs regular season and even now to the NCAA they stick it us all the time and I know why and you do too!!!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 26, 2013 14:24:54 GMT -5
NCAA + Refs = Backlashers from the past ...that's all it is ...
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 26, 2013 14:27:15 GMT -5
Even if one wants to take the position that we still should have beaten those teams, the atmospherics would be very different if they'd been properly seeded and therefore by definition pulled the upset in the Sweet Sixteen rather than early when such upsets are shocking. It's very easy to say things like this in retrospect, but FGC, a 10 loss team out of one of the bottom five conferences, did not deserve anything higher than a 14 or 13 seed coming into this tournament. Now if you reseeded now, sure, maybe they bump up a few lines - but that's not how it works. On the other hand, the Hoyas could have been on the 3 line when the bracket was announced, and we may have seen them in the 3-14 game. And if you reseeded the tourney again right now, Gtown wouldn't be a 2. The only egregious seeding situation that happened with us was Davidson in 2008. Playing that team in its home state was not fair. But the Hoyas still should have won. And Florida Gulf Coast? Georgetown should beat Florida Gulf Coast 8 days a week, so let's stop sounding like a bunch of cowards and boo-hooing about the seeding. Man fair is fair we're talking FGCU and the NCAA ...yes we should of beaten them and I still would be saying that team is not a 15 seed ...most of the coaches admitted some of the seeds were flawed and set by the NCAA $$$$$$ let's be foreal every year they need a Cinderella now they go out and buy one WAKE UP!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 26, 2013 14:29:30 GMT -5
I can't believe we're actually complaining we got a hot team in the tourney. It's the NCAA tournament. Here's who the three seeds got Harvard, Davidson, Northwestern St., Valparaiso Three of those programs had pulled off big tourney upsets before. Guess who hadn't? Yep, the one who won. So giving us a low major making their first appearance wasn't a screw job. We screwed ourselves. I don't think anyone thinks it was a screw job. FGCU obviously earned a 15 seed during the season. It doesn't change the fact that at their best( the way they are playing now) they are clearly one of the best 16 teams in this tourney. Usually you get to avoid those teams as a 2 seed until at least the second weekend. VCU probably shouldn't have made the stupid tournament in 2011. Yet they were one of the best teams tournament that year. There is a reason no other 15 seed has made sweet sixteen before and it's because they have never been as good as FGCU. I don't think anyone is excusing the loss so much as lamenting the fact that once again we faced a team clearly better than their seed. It was a screw job ...refs, NCAA do not like Gtown because of the past ...let's get real here...it's called backlash...
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 26, 2013 14:32:13 GMT -5
Exactly. There's a lot more compression in these seeds now as evidenced by three 15s winning the last two years. So when you go into a game, you're going to be getting a team that might be a 15 or might be an 11. It's not Georgetown-specific. There's just more parity. So be prepared to take on a good team. Marquette drew Davidson and Butler and they're playing next week. What do Davidson's and Butler's past successes have to do with anything? Is Stephen Curry playing for that Davidson team? The committee got it wrong this time. It just so happens they've also gotten it very wrong to our detriment in 2008 and 2011. That's all people are saying. The odds of being this unlucky are pretty long. But they are undeniable. This isn't some 2001 Hampton we lost to. Thank you Big Dog!
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Post by prhoya on Mar 26, 2013 14:32:36 GMT -5
And, year after year, the Selection Committee picks GU to meet that Cinderella? LOL! Another conspiracy theory with GU as the victim? Stop making excuses.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 26, 2013 14:33:46 GMT -5
Do you think we're better than FGCU? I do. So, no, I am not feeling any better. Hell yeah, we came right back ref made a bad call within 4 less than 2 mins to go in the game that quickly changed the momentum ...I was there ...
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 26, 2013 14:36:37 GMT -5
Find me one 15 seed that has beaten 3 teams that have been ranked during the season, 2 of which were top five teams at various points and you might have a point that there have been other equally good 15 seeds. Not just beat, but blew out. All three of them. The fact is we choked yesterday. No one is disputing that. However, I certainly don't think if we had to play them again tomorrow that we would win. They aren't an average 15 seed and we seem to have a pattern of drawing teams that are much better than their seed, deserved or not. I think that's all anyone is saying. This great #15 seed also lost to a bunch of crappy teams this season too. Maybe the players on those bad squads are also better than Georgetown's. Come on. If the Hoyas after playing the team once still could not beat FGCU then that's a sad indictment. But that's my opinion. Let's move past that. Let me play devil's advocate and say that FGCU is really a #7 seed or a #6. Why can't the Hoyas beat them anyway? If you are a #2 seed and have a goal to make it to the Final Four you are going to have to beat such opponents in the first place. So if you have to start it off by beating such a team, an underseeded opponent, in the first round so be it. Just do it. They are 5 to 7 seed but it fooled the kids they were stunned as the game went on!!! The committee knew what they were doing...
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