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Post by calhoya on Mar 16, 2013 7:18:33 GMT -5
This team has overachieved all season and throughout it has grown to the point that reaching the Final Four and even winning it is no longer an insanely optimistic throught. Yet, looking at the team as currently configured, it is also possible that this board will be in total meltdown next week after another disappointing early exit.
Strengths--defense, Otto, the development of the guards (notwithstanding yesterday's performance), the heart and soul of Lubick and athleticism.
Weaknesses--lack of any real inside game on offense, a very thin bench that cannot withstand any significant foul trouble, rebounding and poor FT shooting.
Teams I do not want to see: Indiana, Duke, New Mexico Teams I would not mind playing: Syracuse (again), Gonzaga, North Carolina
It's Time! End it Right.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 16, 2013 7:28:57 GMT -5
This team has overachieved all season and throughout it has grown to the point that reaching the Final Four and even winning it is no longer an insanely optimistic throught. Yet, looking at the team as currently configured, it is also possible that this board will be in total meltdown next week after another disappointing early exit. Strengths--defense, Otto, the development of the guards (notwithstanding yesterday's performance), the heart and soul of Lubick and athleticism. Weaknesses--lack of any real inside game on offense, a very thin bench that cannot withstand any significant foul trouble, rebounding and poor FT shooting. Teams I do not want to see: Indiana, Duke, New Mexico Teams I would not mind playing: Syracuse (again), Gonzaga, North Carolina It's Time! End it Right. I hear your points, but again, you seem to be suggesting that its inappropriate for us to be in meltdown mode if we lose next week. We should all be extremely upset and disappointed if we lose next week. We should expect to at least play in the second weekend! We are a top 8 team for sure. Anything less than a sweet 16 appearance is disappointing.
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Mar 16, 2013 7:35:21 GMT -5
If the Hoyas lose next week I will be melting down along with everyone else. But it really is about matchups and who you draw. A pairing in the second game against an underrated team could be a problem. Think Missouri, St. Louis or Colorado State which could have seeds in the 7-10 range. Last year it was NCSU.
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Post by richfame on Mar 16, 2013 7:49:21 GMT -5
We have to face the fact that we are heavy favorites to make a deep tournament run. We most likely will be a 2 seed. Theres no excuses if this team loses in the first or second round, if they do its an awful job! I dont want to hear about matchup's or where were playing, this team must make it to the elite 8 or beyond! If we do lose early a melt down would be well deserved. Good teams have to take care of business.
Our team goes as OTTO goes. If he is aggressive and puts us on his back a la Danny Manning or Melo we are going to be fine. If hes passive and lets the game come to him to much then were in trouble. I think the best thing is too get out of the big east and stop playing teams for the 3rd time. This CUSE loss is not going to hurt us, no team will play a zone like that and the extra rest will help. Time to make it happen. Its hoya time this year.
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 16, 2013 7:59:26 GMT -5
This team has overachieved all season and throughout it has grown to the point that reaching the Final Four and even winning it is no longer an insanely optimistic throught. Yet, looking at the team as currently configured, it is also possible that this board will be in total meltdown next week after another disappointing early exit. Strengths--defense, Otto, the development of the guards (notwithstanding yesterday's performance), the heart and soul of Lubick and athleticism. Weaknesses--lack of any real inside game on offense, a very thin bench that cannot withstand any significant foul trouble, rebounding and poor FT shooting. Teams I do not want to see: Indiana, Duke, New Mexico Teams I would not mind playing: Syracuse (again), Gonzaga, North Carolina It's Time! End it Right. I hear your points, but again, you seem to be suggesting that its inappropriate for us to be in meltdown mode if we lose next week. We should all be extremely upset and disappointed if we lose next week. We should expect to at least play in the second weekend! We are a top 8 team for sure. Anything less than a sweet 16 appearance is disappointing. This. I'm weary of the whole we overachieved argument going on three seasons now. Is that a sign of bad recruiting and brilliant gameday coaching? If we lose in the first weekend for the fifth time in a row can we keep blaming it on matchups? If so maybe we don't match up well with anyone, especially double digit seeded teams. Look even if somehow we can't match up well with 90% of the teams in the field shouldn't the brilliant gameday coaching be good enough to get us past the first weekend every now and then? I have a message for Otto : be aggressive. Don't hold anything back from here on out. Your time at GU is likley coming to a close very soon and you don't want to have any regrets regarding how your time in college finished. Assert yourself at all times.
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Post by TC on Mar 16, 2013 8:36:08 GMT -5
I hear your points, but again, you seem to be suggesting that its inappropriate for us to be in meltdown mode if we lose next week. We should all be extremely upset and disappointed if we lose next week. We should expect to at least play in the second weekend! We are a top 8 team for sure. Anything less than a sweet 16 appearance is disappointing. I'm fine with people being disappointed but anyone questioning the coach, the system, or the program if we lose next weekend can go jump off a bridge. JT3 is COY for a reason, and as disappointed as you are with a crapshoot tournament performance, what he does continually gets us to this point.
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Post by petabdoubleg on Mar 16, 2013 8:37:43 GMT -5
Do not want to see VCU or Ohio State
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Post by Filo on Mar 16, 2013 8:40:29 GMT -5
I hear your points, but again, you seem to be suggesting that its inappropriate for us to be in meltdown mode if we lose next week. We should all be extremely upset and disappointed if we lose next week. We should expect to at least play in the second weekend! We are a top 8 team for sure. Anything less than a sweet 16 appearance is disappointing. I'm fine with people being disappointed but anyone questioning the coach, the system, or the program if we lose next weekend can go jump off a bridge. JT3 is COY for a reason, and as disappointed as you are with a crapshoot tournament performance, what he does continually gets us to this point. Amen. It's been a really great season. Really, no one in the country matched what the Hoyas have done since the USF loss. You know what the best part of it is, though? It ain't over yet.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 16, 2013 9:33:26 GMT -5
I think we have a great squad for a tourney run. This may be JT3s hardest team to scout. Everyone's still so young and relatively inexperienced that opposing coaches from other conferences will have trouble preparing for us because of limited tape to dissect. This group still has more tricks in its bag.
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 16, 2013 9:52:56 GMT -5
I hear your points, but again, you seem to be suggesting that its inappropriate for us to be in meltdown mode if we lose next week. We should all be extremely upset and disappointed if we lose next week. We should expect to at least play in the second weekend! We are a top 8 team for sure. Anything less than a sweet 16 appearance is disappointing. I'm fine with people being disappointed but anyone questioning the coach, the system, or the program if we lose next weekend can go jump off a bridge. JT3 is COY for a reason, and as disappointed as you are with a crapshoot tournament performance, what he does continually gets us to this point. At almost every level of every sport coaches are judged by what they do in the post season, TC. I'll give III all the credit in the world for making Gtown relevant again. When it comes to the regular season he always has his teams doing better than expected. But as a fan I can't be satisfied alone with wins during November through February. And if III is the coach that many of us think he is he can't be satisfied with that either. And I'm sure he isn't satisfied. The post season matters.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 16, 2013 10:16:37 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't buy the matchup rationale. We are a top 10 for a reason, and we can't blame matchup for losing to a barely top 25 team in the second round. In the sweet 16, as the lowest 2nd seed, we will likely play a team about a good as us. That's a different story.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 16, 2013 10:20:50 GMT -5
This is all moot because we'll make a deep run, but for me this is JTIII's second year of postseason play, at least from the standpoint of grading his performance. He started with a team led by two players he inherited and took them to the Final Four. Then he recruited his team of wildly talented offensive players, probably underestimating how much his defensive success was the result of Roy and as our defense suffered, the flame outs ensued.
But this appears to be the real JTIII and I for one couldn't be happier or more optimistic. Last year we lost a close game to major conference team, but we dominated Belmont the way we should. Despite their kenpomtastic offense, the Hoyas made them chronically uncomfortable all game. That's a team that can be successful in the postseason; one that can get stops and dictate the game. Last night is a perfect example. It took our worst offensive performance in two months to lose in overtime to a top 20 team.
So forget the flame outs and forget the Final Four, this team is the Georgetown of the future. It's different than both those teams and will be successful going forward. See you Atlanta ;D
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Post by bmartin on Mar 16, 2013 10:30:29 GMT -5
That dismissal of the Final Four team is ridiculous. Jeff and Roy were not complete players destined for a Final Four run when they were recruited. They were coached up quite a bit. And the rest of the team was built by JTIII.
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Post by EasyEd on Mar 16, 2013 10:41:09 GMT -5
I'm fine with people being disappointed but anyone questioning the coach, the system, or the program if we lose next weekend can go jump off a bridge. JT3 is COY for a reason, and as disappointed as you are with a crapshoot tournament performance, what he does continually gets us to this point. At almost every level of every sport coaches are judged by what they do in the post season, TC. I'll give III all the credit in the world for making Gtown relevant again. When it comes to the regular season he always has his teams doing better than expected. But as a fan I can't be satisfied alone with wins during November through February. And if III is the coach that many of us think he is he can't be satisfied with that either. And I'm sure he isn't satisfied. The post season matters. Judging by what they do in the post season is crazy. Tournaments are a one and out thing and all you need to do is to have a bad outing for one or more of your players and/or hot hands by the opponent. I believe the best judge of a team and its coaches is the overall success during the entire season and post season. I give the team and the coaches an A+, so matter how much success they have in the tourneys.
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Post by rustyshackleford on Mar 16, 2013 11:04:22 GMT -5
We're going to be a top 10 team going into the tourney (probably and deservedly top 8). I expect to be rooting for the hoyas (at least) in a sweet sixteen game and if they don't make it there it's a disappointment.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 16, 2013 11:10:20 GMT -5
That dismissal of the Final Four team is ridiculous. Jeff and Roy were not complete players destined for a Final Four run when they were recruited. They were coached up quite a bit. And the rest of the team was built by JTIII. Let's get this out of the way: "How can you dismiss the (Final Four/flameouts), don't you know tourney success (is random chance/is the measuring stick in the media whether we like it or not)?" All I am saying is this team and last year's team have a very different identity than those teams, one I think that positions us better to avoid upsets, especially against plucktastic shooting teams. Maybe we land a 7'2 future nba all-star someday which would be great. But I used to think we HAD to to repeat the success of '07, but I've reversed my thinking on that. If we play team defense like this, we could make a run with serviceable bigs. And we are more likely to be in a situation where we have serviceable big men in any given year, than we are having a dominant center.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Mar 16, 2013 11:18:54 GMT -5
In most respects, I agree with you, Ed.
This is not pro basketball. For anyone to entertain the idea that JT III has not done a outstanding job this season because we don't make it to the Final Four or even the Elite Eight is ridiculous to me. I hope he's the coach for many seasons to come -- no matter what happens in the NCAAs.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 16, 2013 11:26:55 GMT -5
Keep in mind that good luck is part of the equation. The by game was close in that run, the vandy game came down to one shot, and the unc game had a huge comeback. Conversely against the Florida team the prior year we were right in it and we had Davidson all but beat. Ohio was the only time we took a dump in the tourney. Jtiii is great
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Post by hoyadestroya on Mar 16, 2013 11:49:23 GMT -5
In years past I'd have to say we lived and died by the 3. This year we still are a form of that makeup but we have many shooters now. If 1 is cold we have 2 or 3 others that can step up. We'll need Hop/Moses/Lubick to bang the boards and anything from them on the offensive end will be a bonus. I have more confidence this year than years past due to our D. If our O is suffering for stretches our D won't let it get out of hand. We're going to the Sweet 16 at a minimum, book it!
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Post by detmut on Mar 16, 2013 12:17:29 GMT -5
in the big east era, we have never made the final four without first winning the big east tournament
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