hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Nov 24, 2013 9:40:39 GMT -5
No shortage of basketball experts around here. Bowen is improving, but apparently not to the satisfaction of some. Not certain why expectations were so high for this kid--he was never touted as the next superstar. He lost one year to injury and rode the bench another year. Last year he received limited minutes. He is not a star and not a starter, but despite some of the venom that he has evoked from many posters, he is improved and contributing. His play has been far more consistent early this year than many on this team, including starters. I view him, like several on this team, as a role player capable of contributing significant minutes, but not expected to carry the team. He is the exact type of player that every high major program recruits to support the more heralded players. Calhoya, it's the athleticism. Aaron shows a little of this and a little of that and we all say that if he can put it all together he would be a star. Unfortunately it probably wont happen as a Hoya but I wouldn't be surprised if Aaron pulled off a Glen Rice Jr........................
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 24, 2013 10:00:45 GMT -5
Unfortunately it probably wont happen as a Hoya but I wouldn't be surprised if Aaron pulled off a Glen Rice Jr........................ What, have NBA bloodlines, be a Top 40 recruit out of High School, become a starter halfway through his freshman year, score 20 points with regularity his sophomore year, have a series of double doubles his junior year, which was scarred by suspensions and injury, only go to the NDBL because of the behavioral problems, then get taken in the first round? You can't really understand the reasons for the recent Aaron backlash until you understand the depths of the delusion about his potential.
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 24, 2013 10:51:27 GMT -5
Why does Aaron Bowen have his own thread? He was a bad scholarship offer 5 years ago and has played to that level over his time on the Hilltop. He was a mid-major player at best when we recruited him. It's not his fault. If we really are a high major program (to be debated) we shouldn't be recruiting mid-major talent. That's on the staff. Don't blame the kid. You might deleted
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 24, 2013 10:58:16 GMT -5
The kid is a role player, he's not even in our top 5. His athleticism and experience makes him a candidate to impact every game but he isn't a star that will be leading the team. I am hoping for a PEJr type year for him.
So much hate on this board...not everyone is Otto Porter but they do all play their hearts out for the team we love.
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Post by dreamhoya on Nov 24, 2013 11:08:59 GMT -5
Bowen is one of those guys who needs time, coaching up, and needs the green light, he'll get better and better if he did. Maybe he'll pull a Jordan or maybe he'll pull a Brandon Bowman... Who knows. i just know he needs to be more aggressive and realize nobody can stop him. I'm thinking he'll have one of those days where he'll take the initiative and JTIII will not discourage him then he'll realize, hey, I can do this...
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Post by dreamhoya on Nov 24, 2013 11:11:32 GMT -5
...there's this thought that players can't be free within the offense; that's not true. JTIII has said over and over that it's not about who takes the shot or what type of shot it is, only that it's a smart play and an open shot. That includes the fact that if you can get past your defender and be freed up, then that's an open shot...
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 24, 2013 11:12:22 GMT -5
The kid is a role player, he's not even in our top 5. His athleticism and experience makes him a candidate to impact every game but he isn't a star that will be leading the team. I am hoping for a PEJr type year for him. So much hate on this board...not everyone is Otto Porter but they do all play their hearts out for the team we love. It's because most people on this board can't relate to student athletes and can't really put into perspective their grind.
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 24, 2013 11:13:46 GMT -5
...there's this thought that players can't be free within the offense; that's not true. JTIII has said over and over that it's not about who takes the shot or what type of shot it is, only that it's a smart play and an open shot. That includes the fact that if you can get past your defender and be freed up, then that's an open shot... That's called creating an open shot.....not taking an open shot
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Post by dreamhoya on Nov 24, 2013 11:15:34 GMT -5
I'm talking about "open shots" not "taking open shots"
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 24, 2013 11:52:23 GMT -5
I'm talking about "open shots" not "taking open shots" Well that's irrelevant cause III talks about taking open shots when he refers to freedom within the offense, not giving the green light for everyone to attack the bucket.
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 24, 2013 12:05:05 GMT -5
Aaron is currently our 4th leading rebounder after Hop, Nate, and Josh. He is also our second leading assist giver and second on the team in steals....I'd say he has a role...and he still hasn't started playing to his abilities.
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Post by dreamhoya on Nov 24, 2013 12:09:24 GMT -5
Not irrelavent at all. Double check.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Nov 24, 2013 12:09:36 GMT -5
Bowen is a great athlete who can jump out of the gym. I can understand the potential the staff saw when they recruited him. The disappointment for me is his lack of progress in the two areas he most needed to improve in since he became a Hoya; his handle and his mid-range jump shot. It's hard if not impossible to become a great 3pt shooter in four years if you did not have that accuracy before. However, improving your mid-range jump shooting ability and your ball handling skills can be done with hours of practice in the gym. He is a slasher who has the ability, once given the path to the basket to finish acrobatically around the basket with either hand and great dunks. Unfortunately the path to the basket is rarely given, so you have to work your way to the basket with a handle that allows you to beat your defender to the hoop. Bowen never takes more than two dribbles when he recieives the ball out front or at the wings for fear of being stripped of the ball. I can't count the times he has been called for traveling while attempting to make his first move to the basket. He reminds me of Shenard Long who played for JT2. He also was a great athlete with limited shooting skills and handle, but by his senior year he was leading the Hoyas in scoring and had improved his handle to enable him to get to the basket when it was initially blocked. Bowen, like so many players today, do not seem to improve on their weaknesses, they just work on the strengths they already have. When I first saw Charles Smith play I wondered why JT2 had wasted a scholarship on a clumsy skinny guard like him but by his senior year he was my hero who became an NBA pick.
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Post by dreamhoya on Nov 24, 2013 12:10:58 GMT -5
4th leading rebounder in less the time.
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Post by dreamhoya on Nov 24, 2013 12:18:52 GMT -5
His handle is fine, he just doesn't show aggression and try to blow by his guy. He passes along the perimeter and does cleanup work. It's almost like he defers. Seems like he needs encouragement.
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 24, 2013 12:28:06 GMT -5
Bowen is a great athlete who can jump out of the gym. I can understand the potential the staff saw when they recruited him. The disappointment for me is his lack of progress in the two areas he most needed to improve in since he became a Hoya; his handle and his mid-range jump shot. It's hard if not impossible to become a great 3pt shooter in four years if you did not have that accuracy before. However, improving your mid-range jump shooting ability and your ball handling skills can be done with hours of practice in the gym. He is a slasher who has the ability, once given the path to the basket to finish acrobatically around the basket with either hand and great dunks. Unfortunately the path to the basket is rarely given, so you have to work your way to the basket with a handle that allows you to beat your defender to the hoop. Bowen never takes more than two dribbles when he recieives the ball out front or at the wings for fear of being stripped of the ball. I can't count the times he has been called for traveling while attempting to make his first move to the basket. He reminds me of Shenard Long who played for JT2. He also was a great athlete with limited shooting skills and handle, but by his senior year he was leading the Hoyas in scoring and had improved his handle to enable him to get to the basket when it was initially blocked. Bowen, like so many players today, do not seem to improve on their weaknesses, they just work on the strengths they already have. When I first saw Charles Smith play I wondered why JT2 had wasted a scholarship on a clumsy skinny guard like him but by his senior year he was my hero who became an NBA pick. Aaron has improved in the years he's played here...if you don't see it then you're blind. And I can't even recall him traveling on the first step you can't just cite that he's done that countless times when he hasn't....
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 24, 2013 12:28:51 GMT -5
His handle is fine, he just doesn't show aggression and try to blow by his guy. He passes along the perimeter and does cleanup work. It's almost like he defers. Seems like he needs encouragement. +++1
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dreamhoya
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Post by dreamhoya on Nov 24, 2013 13:25:39 GMT -5
Remember Kenner?
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Post by This Just In on Nov 24, 2013 18:41:04 GMT -5
His handle is fine, he just doesn't show aggression and try to blow by his guy. He passes along the perimeter and does cleanup work. It's almost like he defers. Seems like he needs encouragement. I think Aaron Bowen defers a lot due to fear of getting pulled, as JTIII had a quick hook for him last year.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 24, 2013 19:09:06 GMT -5
Bowen has traveled at least twice in this tourney and once today with the same move while unchallenged. For every great dunk or drive and rebound he comes up with 3 more negative plays with or without the ball or on defense. Does a defense need to pay much attention to him. Don't think so. Not that he was the only reason when he went in for jabril with his third they were up 4 when he went out down 7. There is a spot for him but why he hasn't developed some kind of shot as a 3 within this system is a problem.From what i have seen he has a significant problem executing the offense which requires a pass catch dribble set of skills. It appears that his teamates have recognized this because he is not getting the ball in positions that others usually would. there will be games when he get 15 to 20 mins others where he will get much less than 10. If he is around next year he has a lot of work to do.
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