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Post by hoyatmf02 on Feb 28, 2013 13:07:13 GMT -5
yeah. any IU fan telling you they wouldn't trade oladipo for porter is either lying or delusion. plus, i love our team, but zeller was pre-season national player of the year, so it's fair to say otto is doing as much with "less."
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 28, 2013 13:10:01 GMT -5
kcmsports.com/index/?p=11360One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preparation. - Arthur Ashe
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Feb 28, 2013 13:28:34 GMT -5
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Post by nathanhm on Feb 28, 2013 13:30:57 GMT -5
He's totally trying to jinx us, we play them again, no way this isn't some mind game. DON'T LISTEN TO HIM OTTO!!!!!
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Post by swhoya on Feb 28, 2013 14:29:04 GMT -5
As I recall Jeff had a sophomore slump and was fabulous thereafter. Let's hope that happens with Otto. Otto is our best player but right now that says as much about the team as about him. He's a #2 or #3 guy on a really elite team. HA. HAHAHAHAHAHA.
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Post by hoyatmf02 on Feb 28, 2013 14:36:14 GMT -5
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Post by 2ndRyan on Feb 28, 2013 15:33:21 GMT -5
He's totally trying to jinx us, we play them again, no way this isn't some mind game.
Absolutely- don't you think he has told MCW "You think I'm wrong? Prove it."
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Post by Filo on Feb 28, 2013 15:38:00 GMT -5
He's totally trying to jinx us, we play them again, no way this isn't some mind game. Absolutely- don't you think he has told MCW "You think I'm wrong? Prove it." That also works in our favor though. A chucking MCW is a beneficial-for-Hoyas MCW.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 28, 2013 15:57:47 GMT -5
Didn't MCW basically say as much himself before last game? How did that work out for him? Stick to the bathrobes kid!
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Post by EasyEd on Feb 28, 2013 19:49:46 GMT -5
To me the most impressive thing about Otto this year is the massive improvement he has made on his outside shooting compared to last year.
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 28, 2013 23:48:23 GMT -5
Otto is definitely deserving but it is annoying the heck out of me that on almost every (local) radio show and on every blog and every message board, people keep claiming that Porter isn't playing with any talent and is carrying the team single-handedly. Did these folks only catch the Syracuse game? Some of the talent is young and some are still raw but the Hoyas aren't a one-man team.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 1, 2013 0:05:00 GMT -5
Otto is definitely deserving but it is annoying the heck out of me that on almost every (local) radio show and on every blog and every message board, people keep claiming that Porter isn't playing with any talent and is carrying the team single-handedly. Did these folks only catch the Syracuse game? Some of the talent is young and some are still raw but the Hoyas aren't a one-man team. Thank you! Jesus, it's frustrating. I honestly think the only game people watched was the Syracuse game. It's hard to make this point without sounding like you are diminishing Porter though so I have tried to stay away from it, but no one else on our team has gotten any credit from anyone but Georgetown people. People still really have no knowledge about this team even with all the recent press. Porter is our best player, but our offense has never been and will never be, stand around and watch him. Yet that seems to be storyline most want to write for this team. It's inaccurate because one, we have some other good scorers, and two Porter simply isn't that type of player or creator. Not to mention, it's our defense that usally carries us, and that's a reflection of the whole team.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 1, 2013 0:49:54 GMT -5
Otto is definitely deserving but it is annoying the heck out of me that on almost every (local) radio show and on every blog and every message board, people keep claiming that Porter isn't playing with any talent and is carrying the team single-handedly. Did these folks only catch the Syracuse game? Some of the talent is young and some are still raw but the Hoyas aren't a one-man team. Thank you! Jesus, it's frustrating. I honestly think the only game people watched was the Syracuse game. It's hard to make this point without sounding like you are diminishing Porter though so I have tried to stay away from it, but no one else on our team has gotten any credit from anyone but Georgetown people. People still really have no knowledge about this team even with all the recent press. Porter is our best player, but our offense has never been and will never be, stand around and watch him. Yet that seems to be storyline most want to write for this team. It's inaccurate because one, we have some other good scorers, and two Porter simply isn't that type of player or creator. Not to mention, it's our defense that usally carries us, and that's a reflection of the whole team. I can see it both ways. I think in another thread somewhere I actually did use the term "carrying." But it's not carrying in the same fashion as Kemba Walker that year. The rest of our guys have been really good that's certainly a fact (and DSR has definitely gotten some recognition for his play recently). But at any various points through out these last 13 games, everyone has had off games and slumps. Otto hasn't. His consistency has been nothing short of remarkable. In this sense, I do think there's a little merit to the idea that he's carrying us. He is bringing it every single game. It's really been incredible to watch. And his habit of making huge plays at huge moments in huge games certainly fuels that argument. But no, in a "give the ball to Otto and let him make plays on his own" sense, he is not carrying us. Our guys have done a really good job of getting him the ball in good spots and they should get credit more for that. Yes, he should be POY. He is better than Oladipo.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 1, 2013 0:54:21 GMT -5
It will come as a great shock to everyone when the Hoyas are yet again pretty good next year, without Otto.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 1, 2013 0:56:22 GMT -5
It will come as a great shock to everyone when the Hoyas are yet again pretty good next year, without Otto. I'll take another year of unranked to Top 5 ;D
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Post by sleepy on Mar 1, 2013 1:13:03 GMT -5
Thank you! Jesus, it's frustrating. I honestly think the only game people watched was the Syracuse game. It's hard to make this point without sounding like you are diminishing Porter though so I have tried to stay away from it, but no one else on our team has gotten any credit from anyone but Georgetown people. People still really have no knowledge about this team even with all the recent press. Porter is our best player, but our offense has never been and will never be, stand around and watch him. Yet that seems to be storyline most want to write for this team. It's inaccurate because one, we have some other good scorers, and two Porter simply isn't that type of player or creator. Not to mention, it's our defense that usally carries us, and that's a reflection of the whole team. I can see it both ways. I think in another thread somewhere I actually did use the term "carrying." But it's not carrying in the same fashion as Kemba Walker that year. The rest of our guys have been really good that's certainly a fact (and DSR has definitely gotten some recognition for his play recently). But at any various points through out these last 13 games, everyone has had off games and slumps. Otto hasn't. His consistency has been nothing short of remarkable. In this sense, I do think there's a little merit to the idea that he's carrying us. He is bringing it every single game. It's really been incredible to watch. And his habit of making huge plays at huge moments in huge games certainly fuels that argument. But no, in a "give the ball to Otto and let him make plays on his own" sense, he is not carrying us. Our guys have done a really good job of getting him the ball in good spots and they should get credit more for that. Yes, he should be POY. He is better than Oladipo. Well, to be nit picky, he barely played in the DePaul game and we still won by twenty. I do agree with your point though. I also think you did a good job highlighting the issue. There is a difference between carrying a team and being the team's best player. I think Porter is our best player and we depend on him to play well so we win. In 2007 we needed Green to "bring it" or we would most likely lose. 2008 Hibbert. In 2011 we clearly needed Chris. Past years we have needed a few different players to really play well every game. You can argue the different degrees to which we needed certain players but it's not unusual for a team to need certain players to play well to win. People outside this message board and program make is sound as if Porter is an NBA all-star leading a bunch of D2 level talent through these ten wins. That's simply not the case. Porter needs his teammates just as much as they need him, for a variety of different reasons. It's also already tiring to hear/read because anyone who could look at a box-score of more than just the Syracuse game would see that's inaccurate.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 1, 2013 1:27:51 GMT -5
I can see it both ways. I think in another thread somewhere I actually did use the term "carrying." But it's not carrying in the same fashion as Kemba Walker that year. The rest of our guys have been really good that's certainly a fact (and DSR has definitely gotten some recognition for his play recently). But at any various points through out these last 13 games, everyone has had off games and slumps. Otto hasn't. His consistency has been nothing short of remarkable. In this sense, I do think there's a little merit to the idea that he's carrying us. He is bringing it every single game. It's really been incredible to watch. And his habit of making huge plays at huge moments in huge games certainly fuels that argument. But no, in a "give the ball to Otto and let him make plays on his own" sense, he is not carrying us. Our guys have done a really good job of getting him the ball in good spots and they should get credit more for that. Yes, he should be POY. He is better than Oladipo. Well, to be nit picky, he barely played in the DePaul game and we still won by twenty. I do agree with your point though. I also think you did a good job highlighting the issue. There is a difference between carrying a team and being the team's best player. I think Porter is our best player and we depend on him to play well so we win. In 2007 we needed Green to "bring it" or we would most likely lose. 2008 Hibbert. In 2011 we clearly needed Chris. Past years we have needed a few different players to really play well every game. You can argue the different degrees to which we needed certain players but it's not unusual for a team to need certain players to play well to win. People outside this message board and program make is sound as if Porter is an NBA all-star leading a bunch of D2 level talent through these ten wins. That's simply not the case. Porter needs his teammates just as much as they need him, for a variety of different reasons. It's also already tiring to hear/read because anyone who could look at a box-score of more than just the Syracuse game would see that's inaccurate. Yea, I mean I really can't disagree with your general sentiment here. It's certainly not just Otto, and like you said, our D has as much to do with this streak as he does and that's certainly a team effort.
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Post by Buckets on Mar 1, 2013 7:25:14 GMT -5
I think the Kemba Walker UConn team is a good comparison in some ways, as that team the next season had preseason All Big East first team, second team, and honorable mention guys in Lamb, Oriakhi, and Napier. Also, with the addition of Drummond, they were picked tops in the Big East and #4 in the AP. Saying that someone "carried the team" is not saying that the rest of the guys are devoid of talent.
To the defense point, just take a look at conference individual D Ratings on Hoya Prospectus. Defense is a team stat, but our team defense seems to be a good deal better when he's on the floor.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 1, 2013 8:00:28 GMT -5
It will come as a great shock to everyone when the Hoyas are yet again pretty good next year, without Otto. Exactly
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Post by rosslynhoya on Mar 1, 2013 8:18:00 GMT -5
I think the Kemba Walker UConn team is a good comparison in some ways, as that team the next season had preseason All Big East first team, second team, and honorable mention guys in Lamb, Oriakhi, and Napier. Also, with the addition of Drummond, they were picked tops in the Big East and #4 in the AP. Saying that someone "carried the team" is not saying that the rest of the guys are devoid of talent. To the defense point, just take a look at conference individual D Ratings on Hoya Prospectus. Defense is a team stat, but our team defense seems to be a good deal better when he's on the floor. I think this hits the nail on the head. These are good talking points for those of us who have to deal with low-awareness yappers.
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