DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 21, 2005 13:24:26 GMT -5
Full steam ahead! Georgetown still needs a convocation center regardless of basketball, but the role of basketball should certainly be a consideration. Student support doesn't drive capacity. The Fine Arts Center isn't going to fill its seating right now and yet it's still going to get built because it is judged as the right thing to do. Remember, the Healy Building was built in an era where the entire student enrollment was somewhere between 150-200, but that building was certainly not built for 150 in mind.
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GUHoya07
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Post by GUHoya07 on Mar 21, 2005 13:28:22 GMT -5
I can understand not being accustomed to sell outs, but by the day before the game students ought to be buying up the last of the tickets, especially if they know any unsold by the end of the day will be made available to the general public. But they dont know that any unsold by the end of the day will be made available to the general public. So that's a major problem.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Mar 21, 2005 13:29:26 GMT -5
Full steam ahead! Georgetown still needs a convocation center regardless of basketball, but the role of basketball should certainly be a consideration. Student support doesn't drive capacity. The Fine Arts Center isn't going to fill its seating right now and yet it's still going to get built because it is judged as the right thing to do. Remember, the Healy Building was built in an era where the entire student enrollment was somewhere between 150-200, but that building was certainly not built for 150 in mind. I agree with your first point, as my initial post reflected. I see the Healy Building example as inapplicable because, to my knowledge, student enrollment is not going to increase by factors of 30 to the degree that students could grow into a renovated and expanded McDonough. Unless something changes dramatically, the most you'll get for an on-campus game in McD is 1000-2000 in terms of students, and the question becomes whether you can transplant 4000-5000 of the 6000-8000 fans, who pay to go to the MCI, into a renovated McD without public transportation nearby and without most major DC places of employment nearby.
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Post by fsohoya on Mar 21, 2005 13:31:18 GMT -5
That's big! How does the school plan to let the students know they are going to open sales of student tickets up to the general public?
$5 tickets...McDonough...post-season...ES-frickin-PN...How much more do these students need!?!?
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PhillyHoya
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Post by PhillyHoya on Mar 21, 2005 15:07:44 GMT -5
FL, if you need a ticket, let us know. Don't worry, I've got FL's ticket sitting right here
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Mar 21, 2005 15:44:05 GMT -5
I really don't get this - why does someone need a freakin' e-mail or flyer or banner to prompt them to get down to McD and buy a ticket. I realize my time at GU was way before the internet and laptops and e-mail and the like, but we never had any trouble finding out when a game started or how to get a ticket and the like. We would have given a limb to have any post season game in the mid sixties and we would have had McD sold out in a heartbeat (with bleachers on both ends of the court and no numbers on the seats in the side court bleachers so you could squeeze as many in as humanly possible) and if you arrived late and the only place to sit was up top and there was only one possible way to get up there - we took it - they would pick you up an pass you over the tops of everyone's heads till you got to the open spot. The fire marshall's counter would have overheated going past 4000. And there were a lot less of us then.
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Post by hoyabinx on Mar 21, 2005 15:50:55 GMT -5
Right on - there are NO exams, NO vacations, NO excuses. This is everything people complain about NOT having, and here it is laid out at their feet and this is the student response? Yikes. I mean I know they aren't playing Syracuse, Duke, Illinois, Stanford, whoever, but c'mon... Jeez, chill out. As a student I am offended. Don't forget the strides that the students have made this year. Most kids are generally fair weather fans and a game against Cal-state fullerton is not exactly appetizing to the average student. I think a lot of you are forgetting what the average student at georgetown is like; or, you were here during a time not considered the worst 4 years in modern Hoya Bball history. Yeah we showed up big time for illinois, nova, even Rutgers, but that was when we were a Big East contender and NCAA tourney prospect. I bet about 1,000 students will be there. I was told 1,500 tickets were being held for students and some have been quoted that 50% have been sold (yesterday?). So lay off of us. That being said, ill be there at 4 to grill out.....
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tgo
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Post by tgo on Mar 21, 2005 15:53:38 GMT -5
very sad that students arent excited about the game.
anybody know what the stats were for the NIT game vs UTEP in 93, how many student tix were sold for that because it seemed like the whole place was students at the time.
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Post by hoyabinx on Mar 21, 2005 15:57:03 GMT -5
very sad that students arent excited about the game. anybody know what the stats were for the NIT game vs UTEP in 93, how many student tix were sold for that because it seemed like the whole place was students at the time. All the students i know are excited for the game
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Post by NickSixers on Mar 21, 2005 15:59:45 GMT -5
I'm an undergrad right now. I don't mean this to be offensive or controversial, but there really isn't a LARGE sports culture here. There are the guys/gals that post on here, and there are others, but it really isn't as big as I wish that it would be. I agree that this was a great example of how and on-campus arena would get people excited, but we pretty much blew it. I got my ticket on Friday, and I'll be there tomorrow. I think that to avoid disaster we need to sell out with non-students buying the student tickets. At least we'll be full on ESPN. Then we need to get loud and convince ESPN to book us more (at all) next year.
Did I really write gals? Wow. It's been a long day.
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Post by fsohoya on Mar 21, 2005 16:00:08 GMT -5
The problem here is that the students who are reading these posts are almost by definition not part of the problem. I don't think anyone means offense to any of them. But for the students who won't get off their duffs to go to this game because it somehow isn't a big enough game for them, or because they're just SO depressed because G-town hasn't been that good over the last four years, gimme a break! Now there is no excuse for being in the doldrums -- this coach and group of players are going to be terrific! Give 'em the support they deserve, and don't start with some collective depression garbage!
Oh, and did anyone mention the game WILL BE ON NATIONAL TELEVISION? Doesn't that alone make it big enough for students to get to McDonough and to fill it to capacity?
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hoyabinx
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Post by hoyabinx on Mar 21, 2005 16:03:14 GMT -5
How do we know that craploads of students aren't going to be there? The game is tommorow and NickSixers is talking about how this was a blown opportunity. I am confused.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Mar 21, 2005 16:04:47 GMT -5
Honestly, I think the biggest thing is just habit, and to be honest, up until now, there hasn't been any sense of urgency to get student tickets for a game. There has been, to my knowledge, one, maybe two sellouts of the student secition this year, and I would guess that many of the students who are, in fact, interested in going to the game, are quite confident that if they want to go, there will be tickets available at the door.
If it's not Rangila or the Cherry Tree Massacre (or occasionally Cabaret), Georgetown students are not generally used to having to plan ahead for social activities.
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Post by fsohoya on Mar 21, 2005 16:07:41 GMT -5
I just called the ticket office to buy two more tickets for some friends of mine, and they told me they still haven't started clearing the waiting list. That means there might stil be a good student turnout. However, when I called earlier today I was told there were lots of student tickets left and that GU would soon be dipping into the waitlist.
The jury, I guess, is still out, but the outlook's been pretty bleak so far.
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Cambridge
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 21, 2005 16:14:59 GMT -5
I think students will creep up to 700-900...which is more than enough loud people to rock McDonough.
Remember, McDonough is tiny and if you just have 200 loud people and a good start to the game you willl get most of the crowd going. Students who have never been to a game at McDonough will be shocked at how close they are to the action...even up at the top row...that will get them excited when Jeff posterizes someone.
Of course, this assumes that they open up the waitlist and the game sells out to alumni and community fans...2200 people in the gym with 800 of them students will be loud.
If you could imagine students filling a third of MCI...5,000+ students by the recent limits on MCI...you can imagine how loud McDonough will be with just 800 students...
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HoyaChris
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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 21, 2005 16:18:06 GMT -5
I just called the ticket office to buy two more tickets for some friends of mine, and they told me they still haven't started clearing the waiting list. That means there might stil be a good student turnout. However, when I called earlier today I was told there were lots of student tickets left and that GU would soon be dipping into the waitlist. The jury, I guess, is still out, but the outlook's been pretty bleak so far. The ticket office is not being straight with you (potentially out of ignorance). I and at least two other posters have reported being cleared off of the wait list.
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Post by fsohoya on Mar 21, 2005 16:20:48 GMT -5
Hmm. Maybe they're doing it in stages, gradually decreasing the number of tickets being reserved for students.
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Post by Loki on Mar 21, 2005 17:01:13 GMT -5
I went to McDonough Sunday to get on the waiting list (as #33). Was told there was a good chance of getting tix because A) GU expected CSF would not use its full allotment, and B) it was possible there would be some unsold student tix. Got a phone message early this afternoon cfmg my tix are at will-call, and am really eager to see the inside of McDonough for the first time in 30+ yrs.
I can second the recollections posted earlier by From the Beginning. You don't have to worry about us contributing our share of the noise.
Any idea how early the place fills up, or what the pre-/post-game scene is like in the McDonough vicinity (I'll have a teenager with me, and don't want to corrupt him too much)?
Thanks to all who will rock McDonough tomorrow!
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Post by PhillyHoya on Mar 21, 2005 17:38:43 GMT -5
Jeez, chill out. As a student I am offended. Don't forget the strides that the students have made this year. Most kids are generally fair weather fans and a game against Cal-state fullerton is not exactly appetizing to the average student. I think a lot of you are forgetting what the average student at georgetown is like; or, you were here during a time not considered the worst 4 years in modern Hoya Bball history. Yeah we showed up big time for illinois, nova, even Rutgers, but that was when we were a Big East contender and NCAA tourney prospect. I bet about 1,000 students will be there. I was told 1,500 tickets were being held for students and some have been quoted that 50% have been sold (yesterday?). So lay off of us. That being said, ill be there at 4 to grill out..... I'm offended by that too. Because well there are excuses. I have a midterm early Wednesday morning and I have to leave class early tomorrow night to go to the game, but at least I'm going. Tons of kids will already be gone for Easter break (since they made travel plans long before the game was scheduled) so we should be lucky this many have chosen to show up.
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 21, 2005 18:34:57 GMT -5
The important thing to remember is that were not the ones to be angry at. The people reading these forums are probably all going to the game, so its important to distinguish between the students who want to cheer on the team, and the larger portion of the student population who are not making the effort.
The responsibility is on all of us collectively, as diehard Hoya fans, to improve student turnout and fan participation. It wont happen overnight, but its a goal that we all want to see reached, and I dont doubt that by putting the heads of a bunch of Georgetown students/alums together we cant make a very sizeable impact.
All that said, some of the alumni have to bear in mind that things ARENT just like they used to be. Im only a freshman, so really, what the hell do I know, but I would guess that the student body was quite different back in the old days (hate to refer to it as that--no offense). The alternative forms of entertainment may not have been what they are now. Maybe the basketball program had a different significance to students then, or some other missing factor. While past successes in terms of fan participation are great as a reference in helping us to try to get the program's fan base BACK on track, its also imperative that we remember that times are different now, so all external factors are not held equal.
But if we all work together, we WILL get back on track here. There will be many months between tomorrow night and our next home game, and in that time we have to pull together to make it work, rather than sit on our hands and complain.
Lets Go Hoyas-- No worries, we diehard students will be extra extra loud tomorrow.
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