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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 10, 2013 14:57:49 GMT -5
How do we know for sure that the defense would be terrible if DSR were to start? Obviously, he's not our best defender, but is he going to be so bad that he will cause the team to collapse? I imagine many of you would say yes, but I think you are overestimating DSR's problems on defense. And if he falls into bad habits, the coaching staff needs to fix it, and bench him if necessary, but that doesn't mean you don't give it a try.
I'm not even asking DSR to start or play 40 minutes a game, but I would like to see a lineup play together at one point that maximizes our ability to score, which is really what this team needs.
What's the worst that can happen? You put in the Starks-DSR-Whittington-Porter-Big Man lineup, the defense gets destroyed, and we never try it again. Contrarily, we could use this lineup, and maybe spark some offense and get out of our doldrums. Austin Freeman was not a good defender, but he was an effective piece of our puzzle. I'm not saying DSR is at that level now, but the definition of putting a square peg in a round whole is trying the same thing over and over again without it working.
I find it amusing that people here give people like Trawick and Whittington a free pass (despite poor offense all year), yet they'll pile onto DSR, who has one of the best offensive ratings on the team, and who is tied with Otto Porter for 4th best turnover rate in the Big East. I love Trawick and Whittington, and we need them for defense, but I think we need some perspective here.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 10, 2013 15:01:46 GMT -5
I would turn this around. Why do you want him to start? I dont see anything about DSR that makes me think he will spark our offense.
In reading this thread, I am not sure what people are talking about with DSR's "efficiency." I have watched all the games this year, and what does that mean exactly?
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Post by prhoya on Jan 10, 2013 15:04:17 GMT -5
At this moment, we need to give everything a try and not close our options.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 10, 2013 15:06:06 GMT -5
At this moment, we need to give everything a try and not close our options. If that is the point, I agree. But, im not seeing that we are bottling up an offensive force. I see DSR being just as tentative, if not more so, than anyone out there.
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 10, 2013 15:07:14 GMT -5
Just to get us back on to the Moses conversation.
In my mind, Hopkins has had an extended audition at the 5 in which he has failed. Time for someone new. Moses is next in line and should start, not sure how this could even be a debate anymore? The only person who is likely to disagree is III, because he does not want to lose Hopkins mentally. Could Moses fail? Sure, but Moses has more potential at the 5 and Hopkins is just wasting so many chances right now.
Also, what is the long term plan here? Next year, after Dec 15th, Mr Smith will be manning the 5 for the rest of Hopkins eligibility. Time to give Hop more balanced playing time at the 4 and the 5, both in a back-up role to Moses and Nate. For now, he can be the first big off the bench. His playing time may not even change so much, it is more about getting Moses some extended minutes in my mind.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 10, 2013 15:15:02 GMT -5
NC, I agree on Moses. Let him know that he will play 20 mins no matter what vs. SJU so that he feels comfortable and does not feel he'll be yanked out of the game after his first TO or positioning mistake. If Hopkins gets his feelings hurt for sitting after his poor performances, then he needs to grow cojones and learn from his mistakes.
Long term? Even if Smith gets under 300 pounds, I don't see him playing more than 20 mins a game. We need to continue developing Moses, Hopkins and Hayes to rotate capable players in and out of the 5 next year. Also, senior captain Nate will get a tons of minutes at the 4 and help at 5.
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Post by dreamhoya on Jan 10, 2013 15:19:21 GMT -5
Not out of desperation, only just to TRY some things.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 10, 2013 15:59:38 GMT -5
Just to be clear, I don't think DSR should start.
I'd do Markel, Jabril, Greg, Otto and Nate, with Moses coming as a backup, Hopkins getting defensive possessions and DSR the first guard off the bench.
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Post by idhoya on Jan 10, 2013 16:19:57 GMT -5
If we're recruiting Schilling for '13; more than Tyler and Otto have to be off scholarship.
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Post by nychoya3 on Jan 10, 2013 17:00:59 GMT -5
id, you don't know who has a commit-able offer. It's dumb not to continue recruiting possible spring signees whether you have spots or not, since you never know what can happen in terms of early departures or transfers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 17:01:59 GMT -5
If we're recruiting Schilling for '13; more than Tyler and Otto have to be off scholarship. Probably a backup backup option if Josh Smith went elsewhere..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 17:03:48 GMT -5
I would turn this around. Why do you want him to start? I dont see anything about DSR that makes me think he will spark our offense. In reading this thread, I am not sure what people are talking about with DSR's "efficiency." I have watched all the games this year, and what does that mean exactly? It means that he has a low usage so the numbers are skewed in his favor. Not enough data to take anything real from those numbers...
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Post by dreamhoya on Jan 10, 2013 17:05:00 GMT -5
SF, I'd do that lineup as well.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Jan 10, 2013 17:16:07 GMT -5
Weren't we at schilling's game(s) after Josh committed? I am assuming if we sre still looking at shilling, it isn't as a back up plan to josh.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 17:29:39 GMT -5
Weren't we at schilling's game(s) after Josh committed? I am assuming if we sre still looking at shilling, it isn't as a back up plan to josh. Because there was a ton of talent on that floor, including other players Gtown has been mentioned by and would be frankly stupid not to recruit including 3 stud Soph’s that play for Gorman. Also JYD is a coach at Findlay and the always have a ton of talent, no reason not to strengthen that relationship.. If not then idk what to say...
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Jan 10, 2013 17:34:27 GMT -5
Don't disagree, but that isn't the same as looking for a backup option for josh smith.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 17:41:02 GMT -5
Don't disagree, but that isn't the same as looking for a backup option for josh smith. Huh? I’m not saying we are looking for a backup for Josh Smith...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 10, 2013 18:50:23 GMT -5
In reading this thread, I am not sure what people are talking about with DSR's "efficiency." I have watched all the games this year, and what does that mean exactly? It means that he has a low usage so the numbers are skewed in his favor. Not enough data to take anything real from those numbers... Offensive efficiency, as measured by KenPom (and others) is a statistic that figures out the amount of points scored every 100 possessions. This is not the same thing as usage. Usage refers to the frequency with which you "use" a possession. For example, let's say you have a game with two players. One player is 2-4 on three point shots, and another was 2-4 on two point shots. The player making the three point shots would have a higher offensive rating (or efficiency) because he would score more points per possession than the player who made the two point shots. It's true that a small sample size of statistics can skew somebody up or down, but DSR has played a decent amount. It's not like he's played 5 minutes, and he has a 150 offensive efficiency rating or something. The fact is, right now, DSR is the 4th best when it comes to offensive efficiency.
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Post by gujake on Jan 10, 2013 19:20:07 GMT -5
Yes but (a) it's easier to have a decent efficiency with low usage, (b) as you mention, the sample size is small, and (c) a 102.3 ORtg is ok but nothing to write home about.
Personally, I have been disappointed with DSR's offense but he hasn't been awful or anything. I still think he will figure out how to contribute more on offense. He is talented.
But he needs to be more than "ok" on offense to make up for his defense. I know you think people are overestimating how bad he is on defense, but I don't think that's the case. His defense is really, really bad.
I'm with you on the idea of trying different things to see if anything works, though.
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Post by idhoya on Jan 10, 2013 20:52:17 GMT -5
I know that obviously, I'm saying I think somebody else is coming off the books. Imo
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