SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Mar 12, 2013 15:03:43 GMT -5
Over the weekend, Morgan was at Georgetown for a visit and he's become plenty familiar with campus. "He's been on campus and gotten a chance to play up there a few times," said Wise. "He's been able to go up there three times. Georgetown doesn't do a lot of offering unless you come on campus so he came on campus and Coach Thompson fell in love him." In addition to a growing familiarity with the staff, Morgan is impressed by the development of players similar to him. "He sees the success of an Otto Porter," said Wise. "He sees freedom within that offense where he could be successful and he appreciates that John Thompson can always get the most out of his players." Much more in article, specifically on other schools involved: rivalshoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1482471&PT=4&PR=2Thanks for posting that Tony... I just read over his comments on all three schools. Sounds to me like we have a darn good shot. Morgan & Copeland could be the second coming of Whittington and Porter. I hope this happens. Then we need to add a top level PG.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 15:13:31 GMT -5
1st Quarter
Morgan #15 in Yellow Booth #23 in Purple
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Post by hoyafan23 on Mar 12, 2013 15:31:54 GMT -5
if and a big if we get dwayne morgan, would we have room for kevon looney?
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Post by dense on Mar 12, 2013 16:00:16 GMT -5
if and a big if we get dwayne morgan, would we have room for kevon looney? we'd have room schollie wise but I doubt Looney would do it. But thats not a bad thing. Morgan has a big toolshed just doesn't put it together consistently. What I do like is away from his High school team he seems to show out better from what I'm reading and seeing.
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Post by idhoya on Mar 12, 2013 23:53:44 GMT -5
I'd hate for Looney to go to Buzz.
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Post by hoyadestroya87 on Mar 13, 2013 0:58:32 GMT -5
Morgan-Copeland would certainly seem like another version of Otto and GWhitt. Not saying either player is Otto just that that would be a great combo. Great versatility and off-the-charts potential. I for one am very interested in seeing how much influence Under Armor has. Great to hear Broadus in on the case...he's the guy who can give us somewhat of a fighting chance.
Remember the the best Hoya teams had B-more kids. There has been a lot of nostalgia around the program recently...this would be icing on the cake.
And yes, I'd really like a strong lead guard (PG).
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 13, 2013 1:15:00 GMT -5
Good god. People are making major leaps to compare Morgan to Otto or even Whittington. Whittington was ultra productive in HS and led his team. Otto was also very productive and is clearly the kind of player that comes around once in a decade.
Morgan is one of those kids who if you ask recruiting experts, they'll rave about his potential, but if you ask kids who have played against him, they're shocked to hear he's as highly regarded as he is.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Mar 13, 2013 7:58:16 GMT -5
I've now watched several of these game videos on Morgan, and recognizing their severe limitations, there are long stretches where #0 and #24 lead that team. I'm not sure what that says about Morgan's ultimately ability in college, but I wouldn't say it is a positive thing. It's at least a neutral flag to consider before giving him a schollie with other talent out there. He does appear to have plus athleticism for the college game.
If we lock down Copeland and Bentil, then I think the focus is on PG/SG with a handle.
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Post by SirSaxa on Mar 13, 2013 8:01:29 GMT -5
Morgan-Copeland would certainly seem like another version of Otto and GWhitt. Not saying either player is Otto just that that would be a great combo. Great versatility and off-the-charts potential. This was exactly my point. Neither I, nor anyone else, is suggesting either of these guys -- or anyone - is the next Otto. We are talking about a highly talented pair of versatile forwards.
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Post by Filo on Mar 13, 2013 8:21:07 GMT -5
Good god. People are making major leaps to compare Morgan to Otto or even Whittington. Whittington was ultra productive in HS and led his team. Otto was also very productive and is clearly the kind of player that comes around once in a decade. Morgan is one of those kids who if you ask recruiting experts, they'll rave about his potential, but if you ask kids who have played against him, they're shocked to hear he's as highly regarded as he is. LOL. And if you were posting back then, odds are high that you would have been one of those saying "Do.Not.Want" about Whit and pointing to his lack of competition and "reputation" since he was not one of your boys.
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Post by chep3 on Mar 13, 2013 8:55:39 GMT -5
POD is right on about production meaning something though. One of the things that always stuck out about Otto is that he put up ridiculous stats. Greg too (and DSR for that matter). And though they didn't play against the greatest of competition, it did indicate that both were willing to to be aggressive and dominate games. With Otto, that's clearly played out on the college level, and hopefully with Greg that will too. Not saying that kids with potential don't develop that, but would like some kids who put up numbers, even though stats themselves aren't that significant in HS.
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Post by idhoya on Mar 13, 2013 9:16:58 GMT -5
Apparently, it's rep over reality and while I'm sure he's a fit; I'd rather have Looney or a Bentil or a lead guard. That said, getting back into B-more is imperative going forward.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 10:27:23 GMT -5
Not every player on your roster has to be a big time scorer… There are other elements to the game and looking at our roster moving forward it’s littered with good offensive players who may not be the best individual defenders..
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Post by bkhoya on Mar 13, 2013 10:44:56 GMT -5
I think I'm with ID in a sense that maintaining a presence in Baltimore is important, so if there's a good talent there, they'd get the benefit of the doubt over someone from somewhere else unless the talent differential is too great.
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Post by hoyadestroya87 on Mar 13, 2013 11:22:57 GMT -5
At this time of year every program believes they have their pick of players because they make it on to a recruits "list." I imagine that many programs lament amount not taking recruit A because they were waiting for recruit B to pop. The reverse is also true.
Regarding high school team performance and stats - I completely understand this argument. In fact, I think one could argue that the top recruited kids for College are not the best "performers" (stat-sheet-guys) in high school. The same goes for the transition from College to the pros.
I'm not the professional but JT3 is. If he's recruiting Morgan hard -- which certainly seems to be the case -- then I have to believe that the kid is big-time. FWIW, there are some who have said that he had tendenitis earlier in the year so this may be why is play was lower than expected. Regardless, we haven't seen him play against the current squad in pick-up games behind the sealed doors at McDonough gym but JT3 and Broadus have. Scouting is part production and potential. It is an art...and, JT3 is more qualified to make these judgements than I am so I'll trust his choice.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 13, 2013 11:52:37 GMT -5
Not every player on your roster has to be a big time scorer… There are other elements to the game and looking at our roster moving forward it’s littered with good offensive players who may not be the best individual defenders.. I don't think POD or others are talking about his scoring, it sounds to me like they're speaking on his overall impact in games. When I watch the clips I don't get "wow'd" in anyway. I liked the clips of Jared Nickens more than Morgans to be honest. To me he's another 3-4 type like Cameron & Copeland. I'd rather see a 4-5 or 1-2 type get the next scholarship offer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 12:08:32 GMT -5
Not every player on your roster has to be a big time scorer… There are other elements to the game and looking at our roster moving forward it’s littered with good offensive players who may not be the best individual defenders.. I don't think POD or others are talking about his scoring, it sounds to me like they're speaking on his overall impact in games. When I watch the clips I don't get "wow'd" in anyway. I liked the clips of Jared Nickens more than Morgans to be honest. To me he's another 3-4 type like Cameron & Copeland. I'd rather see a 4-5 or 1-2 type get the next scholarship offer. Wow is not a reaction I get as well but anyone can see the talent is there.. At 6’7 he can still be coming into his own as far as what he can do on the court. To lock up a player like Copeland and a talent like Morgan this early in 2014 is a welcome sight IMO. Everybody loves Looney but how realistic is that?? It’s not a draft the kids have to say yes..
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 13, 2013 12:36:08 GMT -5
I've now watched several of these game videos on Morgan, and recognizing their severe limitations, there are long stretches where #0 and #24 lead that team. I'm not sure what that says about Morgan's ultimately ability in college, but I wouldn't say it is a positive thing. It's at least a neutral flag to consider before giving him a schollie with other talent out there. He does appear to have plus athleticism for the college game. If we lock down Copeland and Bentil, then I think the focus is on PG/SG with a handle. Exactly. Watch a St Frances game and tell me that Morgan is their best player. You won't. It's exactly what Phil Booth was talking about when they were going back and forth at each other on Twitter.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 13, 2013 12:51:39 GMT -5
Oh right i forgot that we have the pick of whoever we want as recruits. Carry on
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 13, 2013 12:59:38 GMT -5
I don't think POD or others are talking about his scoring, it sounds to me like they're speaking on his overall impact in games. When I watch the clips I don't get "wow'd" in anyway. I liked the clips of Jared Nickens more than Morgans to be honest. To me he's another 3-4 type like Cameron & Copeland. I'd rather see a 4-5 or 1-2 type get the next scholarship offer. Wow is not a reaction I get as well but anyone can see the talent is there.. At 6’7 he can still be coming into his own as far as what he can do on the court. To lock up a player like Copeland and a talent like Morgan this early in 2014 is a welcome sight IMO. Everybody loves Looney but how realistic is that?? It’s not a draft the kids have to say yes.. I get where you're coming from Yabs and DM is definitely gifted but he's seems more luxury than need to me. I know I sound like a broken record but Bentil & Booth will fill needs for the program going forward more than DM imo. Btw I'm not a Looney fan at all, he's a little overrated in my opinion. Nice player with good but not off the charts potential. I'd take Morgan over him without hesitation.
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