Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Mar 23, 2016 14:16:57 GMT -5
Jeff Borzello @jeffborzello · 1m1 minute ago UNLV sophomore Dwayne Morgan is requesting his release and is expected to transfer, sources told ESPN. es.pn/1pIuxUo I predicted this would happen before the 2015-2016 season started. I can't remember what thread I posted this. Hoyas and twerps were in his final 3 before committing to UNLV. Was a 5 Star kid who never came close to reaching his potential during his first 2 years at UNLV. Wonder if staff will get involved again? Probably depends on how serious they are pursuing Antwan Walker. Both were very similar players in high school. IMO Morgan probably makes more sense as an insurance policy if everyone is healthy next season and if Copeland is able to put it all together next season and leaves for the Association.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 23, 2016 14:29:08 GMT -5
His efficiency was an abysmal 87.4 and he committed 6.9 fouls per 40 minutes. He turns it over a ton, too. An inefficient player who fouls too much is not what we need, unless there's reason to think he'd improve a lot over the one year he'd be sitting out. Based on those stats, I would say pass.
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Post by calhoya on Mar 23, 2016 14:35:32 GMT -5
Watched him play for the past two seasons at UNLV. Averaged around 19 minutes per game and around 5 points. His shooting percentage was in the 35%-38% range and he was an average rebounder at best. Wants to get closer to home in Baltimore and I would definitely consider him given factors such as the chaos surrounding the UNLV program the past couple of years. During that time they have had a coaching change, attitude issues on the team and a general lack of identity as to who they are and how they play. They have also had several talented players who competed for playing time. Even with slower than expected development, the kid has skills that are apparent and a year of sitting out might help him grow up and catch up.
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Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Mar 23, 2016 16:14:37 GMT -5
His efficiency was an abysmal 87.4 and he committed 6.9 fouls per 40 minutes. He turns it over a ton, too. An inefficient player who fouls too much is not what we need, unless there's reason to think he'd improve a lot over the one year he'd be sitting out. Based on those stats, I would say pass. While analytics is a solid tool, please stop using it as your only reason on whether to pursue a prospect or not. It's lazy and gives you a small picture of the players true abilities. Calhoya gives a much better argument on whether or not to pursue Morgan because he uses some analytical information with real life application. UNLV program has been a joke the last 4/5 years and it has become quite obvious that players don't improve whatsoever playing for Mike Rice. Outside of Duke and Kentucky, UNLV has brought the most 5 star and 4 Star prospects over the last few years and not one of them has developed. Anyone who's seen UNLV play over the last 2 seasons could easily tell Mike Rice couldn't coach and had no idea what he was trying to do on offense or defense. Maybe whatever offense UNLV was trying to run didn't fit Morgan's strengths and that's why he struggled. Maybe there was chemistry issues on the roster or with the coaching staff. There are so many factors that go into why a kid who was widely recognized for being tremendously talented struggles and I doubt the reason is the numbers say he can't play anymore. I'm not saying we should pursue Morgan but spewing numbers out as the only reason isn't the way to make that argument.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 23, 2016 18:18:19 GMT -5
His efficiency was an abysmal 87.4 and he committed 6.9 fouls per 40 minutes. He turns it over a ton, too. An inefficient player who fouls too much is not what we need, unless there's reason to think he'd improve a lot over the one year he'd be sitting out. Based on those stats, I would say pass. While analytics is a solid tool, please stop using it as your only reason on whether to pursue a prospect or not. It's lazy and gives you a small picture of the players true abilities. Calhoya gives a much better argument on whether or not to pursue Morgan because he uses some analytical information with real life application. UNLV program has been a joke the last 4/5 years and it has become quite obvious that players don't improve whatsoever playing for Mike Rice. Outside of Duke and Kentucky, UNLV has brought the most 5 star and 4 Star prospects over the last few years and not one of them has developed. Anyone who's seen UNLV play over the last 2 seasons could easily tell Mike Rice couldn't coach and had no idea what he was trying to do on offense or defense. Maybe whatever offense UNLV was trying to run didn't fit Morgan's strengths and that's why he struggled. Maybe there was chemistry issues on the roster or with the coaching staff. There are so many factors that go into why a kid who was widely recognized for being tremendously talented struggles and I doubt the reason is the numbers say he can't play anymore. I'm not saying we should pursue Morgan but spewing numbers out as the only reason isn't the way to make that argument. Dave Rice, bro.....other than that, great post, spot on
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Post by dense on Mar 23, 2016 18:36:00 GMT -5
His efficiency was an abysmal 87.4 and he committed 6.9 fouls per 40 minutes. He turns it over a ton, too. An inefficient player who fouls too much is not what we need, unless there's reason to think he'd improve a lot over the one year he'd be sitting out. Based on those stats, I would say pass. Ehh I wouldnt read too much into those numbers. Dave Rice just rolls the ball out and lets them play. They dont really run any structure.
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HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 24, 2016 5:23:10 GMT -5
His efficiency was an abysmal 87.4 and he committed 6.9 fouls per 40 minutes. He turns it over a ton, too. An inefficient player who fouls too much is not what we need, unless there's reason to think he'd improve a lot over the one year he'd be sitting out. Based on those stats, I would say pass. turns it over - check inefficient - check fouls too much - check sounds like a perfect fit for this team
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 24, 2016 9:54:19 GMT -5
His efficiency was an abysmal 87.4 and he committed 6.9 fouls per 40 minutes. He turns it over a ton, too. An inefficient player who fouls too much is not what we need, unless there's reason to think he'd improve a lot over the one year he'd be sitting out. Based on those stats, I would say pass. While analytics is a solid tool, please stop using it as your only reason on whether to pursue a prospect or not. It's lazy and gives you a small picture of the players true abilities. Calhoya gives a much better argument on whether or not to pursue Morgan because he uses some analytical information with real life application. UNLV program has been a joke the last 4/5 years and it has become quite obvious that players don't improve whatsoever playing for Mike Rice. Outside of Duke and Kentucky, UNLV has brought the most 5 star and 4 Star prospects over the last few years and not one of them has developed. Anyone who's seen UNLV play over the last 2 seasons could easily tell Mike Rice couldn't coach and had no idea what he was trying to do on offense or defense. Maybe whatever offense UNLV was trying to run didn't fit Morgan's strengths and that's why he struggled. Maybe there was chemistry issues on the roster or with the coaching staff. There are so many factors that go into why a kid who was widely recognized for being tremendously talented struggles and I doubt the reason is the numbers say he can't play anymore. I'm not saying we should pursue Morgan but spewing numbers out as the only reason isn't the way to make that argument. I never meant to imply that an evaluation should be based solely on numbers, I realize that the way I wrote that post was unclear. Let me put it more clearly: I have not evaluated Morgan and I have not studied his game. So, the only basis for me to make a judgment right now is his stats. So far, they have been underwhelming: he turns it over a lot, he fouls a lot, and he doesn't shoot particularly well, and he's inefficient. On a normal team, the fouling too much might not be a huge deal, but given how much our team has collectively struggled with fouling, I think it's more pertinent. I realize that UNLV has been a total mess, and maybe that's why Morgan has not excelled, but it's also possible he's just a 5 star recruit who is a bust. It happens. I would just approach it with caution. If the staff evaluates him and thinks he has the tools to help the team, then that's fair. But, if we are going to take a chance on somebody like that, there has to be a strong feeling that he'll improve on his last two years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 10:26:37 GMT -5
Morgan, a native of Baltimore, intends to look at Maryland among a handful of other schools in an attempt to transfer closer to his mother on the East Coast, who has recently been dealing with health problems, the source also confirmed. That news was first reported by Josh Stirn of InsideMDSports.com.
In addition to Maryland, other schools Morgan will likely be taking a look at include Virginia Commonwealth, Georgetown, St. John’s, and Seton Hall, the source told CSN.
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Hoyas have a good relationship with his trainer/handler, Tyler and Andre Rafus come out of that camp so probably will get a look not sure how serious...
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Post by deacon on Mar 24, 2016 11:34:10 GMT -5
Pass.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Mar 24, 2016 19:58:01 GMT -5
While analytics is a solid tool, please stop using it as your only reason on whether to pursue a prospect or not. It's lazy and gives you a small picture of the players true abilities. Calhoya gives a much better argument on whether or not to pursue Morgan because he uses some analytical information with real life application. UNLV program has been a joke the last 4/5 years and it has become quite obvious that players don't improve whatsoever playing for Mike Rice. Outside of Duke and Kentucky, UNLV has brought the most 5 star and 4 Star prospects over the last few years and not one of them has developed. Anyone who's seen UNLV play over the last 2 seasons could easily tell Mike Rice couldn't coach and had no idea what he was trying to do on offense or defense. Maybe whatever offense UNLV was trying to run didn't fit Morgan's strengths and that's why he struggled. Maybe there was chemistry issues on the roster or with the coaching staff. There are so many factors that go into why a kid who was widely recognized for being tremendously talented struggles and I doubt the reason is the numbers say he can't play anymore. I'm not saying we should pursue Morgan but spewing numbers out as the only reason isn't the way to make that argument. Dave Rice, bro.....other than that, great post, spot on Dave Rice, Mike Rice....doesn't matter neither one of them can coach. Appreciate you catching that. I actually realized I confused the 2 shortly after posting but didn't get a chance or felt like going back making the corrections.
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Post by turbohoya on Aug 30, 2017 7:41:27 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 30, 2017 9:26:48 GMT -5
We can trade Tre for Morgan!😁
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 9:57:51 GMT -5
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Aug 30, 2017 10:40:36 GMT -5
I hope that he gets things straightened out and makes the most of his opportunities.
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