EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 26, 2014 19:31:19 GMT -5
For those who have seen him....IS Derrickson similar to Sweetney coming out of high school? BTW...at that time, he was quite a prospect and talent. Sweetney was a man-child who put up monster numbers in high school by living in the paint. Derrickson hasn't been nearly as dominant but is more versatile and may have more upside because of that versatility (although I highly doubt he'll ever put up the numbers Sweetney did when he was at Georgetown). Derrickson has a faceup game to go along with his post game. He may even be better able to keep his weight under control than Sweetney was able to (and I think Sweetney tried on that front). If Derrickson has more upside than Sweetney, we'll be in for a fun ride starting in 2015 Sweetney is very very underrated imo, mainly due to being a part of the Esh years but he was an absolute beast! Sweetney was a better college player than anyone in the JT3 era, not even close.. www.hoyabasketball.com/features/top100/m_sweetney.htm
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 23:01:12 GMT -5
Sweetney was a man-child who put up monster numbers in high school by living in the paint. Derrickson hasn't been nearly as dominant but is more versatile and may have more upside because of that versatility (although I highly doubt he'll ever put up the numbers Sweetney did when he was at Georgetown). Derrickson has a faceup game to go along with his post game. He may even be better able to keep his weight under control than Sweetney was able to (and I think Sweetney tried on that front). If Derrickson has more upside than Sweetney, we'll be in for a fun ride starting in 2015 Sweetney is very very underrated imo, mainly due to being a part of the Esh years but he was an absolute beast! Sweetney was a better college player than anyone in the JT3 era, not even close.. www.hoyabasketball.com/features/top100/m_sweetney.htmAn absolute beast… Averaging 20 10 in college is not easy...
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Post by hoyainspirit on Sept 26, 2014 23:39:32 GMT -5
For those who have seen him....IS Derrickson similar to Sweetney coming out of high school? BTW...at that time, he was quite a prospect and talent. The upside comp I like is Draymond Green. If he can rebound like Draymond, we'll be set.
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Post by Talos on Sept 27, 2014 10:40:04 GMT -5
If Derrickson has more upside than Sweetney, we'll be in for a fun ride starting in 2015 Sweetney is very very underrated imo, mainly due to being a part of the Esh years but he was an absolute beast! Sweetney was a better college player than anyone in the JT3 era, not even close.. www.hoyabasketball.com/features/top100/m_sweetney.htmAn absolute beast… Averaging 20 10 in college is not easy... Even more so when you factor in a mediocre supporting cast...
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Post by daymondmyles on Sept 27, 2014 11:45:39 GMT -5
I loved Sweetney but to some extent his numbers were helped by a mediocre supporting cast and coach. The offense was simply get the ball to Sweetney and let him score. It's a tribute to him that he could still beat double teams but you are going to score more when the ball goes through you unlike JT3's offense which is predicated on sharing the ball.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 27, 2014 12:14:35 GMT -5
Mike was an amazing offensive player -- better than people give him credit for. Having crappy teammates will often let you inflate your counting numbers (pts, rebs, etc) but the lack of quality teammates will hurt your efficiency/rate stats. And Sweetney's were incredible. I did something on HP a few years ago: linkWhile I came down on the side of Jeff as "Player of the Decade" for his whole career, a lot of that was team performance, defense and minutes. Look at Sweetney's junior year: he took 33% of the shots and maintained a 62% True Shooting %. Jeez.
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Post by dreamhoya on Sept 27, 2014 13:37:50 GMT -5
I loved Sweetney but to some extent his numbers were helped by a mediocre supporting cast and coach. The offense was simply get the ball to Sweetney and let him score. It's a tribute to him that he could still beat double teams but you are going to score more when the ball goes through you unlike JT3's offense which is predicated on sharing the ball. Well I will throw out that defenses knew to focus on him mainly and he STILL averaged that. Now if he was taking a ton of shots averaging that then I'd agree. Mike was great. One of the greatest disappointments was his pro career. Could've at least been a Big Baby Davis type.
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Post by Highsmith on Sept 27, 2014 14:20:46 GMT -5
A big part of Mike's troubles in the NBA was related to a parent or close family member passing away, right? I remember hearing that and then that was when the weight struggles really kicked in. He is still one of my favorites....had one of the best combinations of great footwork and soft hands I've seen.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Sept 27, 2014 15:02:20 GMT -5
His father passed away I believe the year he was drafted. I also always had a suspicion that had something to do with his issues in the NBA.
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 27, 2014 16:00:14 GMT -5
Sweetney was a man-child who put up monster numbers in high school by living in the paint. Derrickson hasn't been nearly as dominant but is more versatile and may have more upside because of that versatility (although I highly doubt he'll ever put up the numbers Sweetney did when he was at Georgetown). Derrickson has a faceup game to go along with his post game. He may even be better able to keep his weight under control than Sweetney was able to (and I think Sweetney tried on that front). If Derrickson has more upside than Sweetney, we'll be in for a fun ride starting in 2015 Sweetney is very very underrated imo, mainly due to being a part of the Esh years but he was an absolute beast! Sweetney was a better college player than anyone in the JT3 era, not even close.. www.hoyabasketball.com/features/top100/m_sweetney.htmI certainly don't underrate Sweetney. Five years ago I picked him as one of the five best Hoyas of all time. I was in the minority. There were far more folks who chose Jeff Green. For many the argument goes that Sweetney's teams didn't accomplish much in comparison and that Sweetney wasn't an elite defender. Others seemed to think only III's system kept guys like Green and Monroe from putting up similar monster numbers. All I know is that it is hard to discount Sweetney's output, not to mention there was a rarely a game in which he was a no-show.
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 27, 2014 19:35:12 GMT -5
I've said before that Sweetney, in my view, was the best offensive big man the Hoyas have ever had.
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Post by Cambridge on Sept 30, 2014 11:26:40 GMT -5
To describe the defensive schemes employed against Sweetney as merely a "double-team" is disingenuous. He had two big defenders on his hip (if not draped over his back or hugging his waist) and two more guards actively hacking his arms the second he received the ball just about each and every one of those possessions. The fact that we were surprised the few times when he missed it, despite that level of defense, is a testament to just how incredible he was offensively. I've never seen anything like it.
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Post by nychoya3 on Sept 30, 2014 12:07:04 GMT -5
Sweetney was a better defender than people think. He averaged an amazing 3.2 blocks a game (second in the conference behind Okafor) as a junior, despite having no vertical leap whatsoever. He was an incredible player and it saddens me that he's remembered by fans who didn't see him play in college as a bust and a punchline.
To Derrickson, if he has half of Sweetney's post game I'll be thrilled. I love to the fact that he can step out and hit the three and I think that will add an interesting dimension and some options to our offensive sets.
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Post by Filo on Sept 30, 2014 12:39:09 GMT -5
To describe the defensive schemes employed against Sweetney as merely a "double-team" is disingenuous. He had two big defenders on his hip (if not draped over his back or hugging his waist) and two more guards actively hacking his arms the second he received the ball just about each and every one of those possessions. The fact that we were surprised the few times when he missed it, despite that level of defense, is a testament to just how incredible he was offensively. I've never seen anything like it. I'll bet you would have paid the way to Washington, D.C. of any official to sit down and watch a game and see what Mike Sweetney had to put up with.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Sept 30, 2014 13:05:06 GMT -5
Hahaha! Great classic Esh rant. While the presentation of those sentiments may not have been as eloquent as possible, he was 100% correct: Sweetney was getting killed, and it was past time that somebody said something like that about it.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Sept 30, 2014 14:12:19 GMT -5
Sweetney very likely would have passed Sleepy Floyd to become the Hoyas all-time leading scorer if he had stayed for his senior season, assuming he stayed healthy and played a full season of games.
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Post by beenaround on Sept 30, 2014 14:54:07 GMT -5
In this day and age, where virtually no stars stay past their junior year, cannot imagine anyone will pass Sleepy. And that is fine with me! One of my favorites. Speaking of the old timers..I always felt that Duren would have been a very good pro, if not for his injury early in his career..but i digress.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 9:55:46 GMT -5
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 13, 2014 12:45:16 GMT -5
In this day and age, where virtually no stars stay past their junior year, cannot imagine anyone will pass Sleepy. And that is fine with me! One of my favorites. Speaking of the old timers..I always felt that Duren would have been a very good pro, if not for his injury early in his career..but i digress. If anyone is going to do it, it's probably DSR, but I wouldn't say its very likely. He'd have to average 720 points a season (about 21-24 ppg) this year and next. To put that in context, he'd basically have to match Sweetney's scoring as a junior for two more years. Iverson (926 pts in 1996) and Reggie Williams (802 pts in 1987) are the only two other Hoyas to crack 700 points in a season. Of course, if Iverson had stayed until his junior year, he'd likely have broken Sleepy's record.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 3:55:19 GMT -5
20 and 7, 6-8 from the floor, 7-7 from the line, 1-2 from 3
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