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Post by chep3 on Mar 27, 2012 16:35:40 GMT -5
Wishing Hollis good luck. Hope he latches on with a roster as a second rounder and has a productive career in the league.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 27, 2012 16:36:29 GMT -5
Official announcement from Georgetown: "Georgetown University Head Men's Basketball Coach John Thompson III announced today that junior forward Hollis Thompson (Los Angeles, Calif./Loyola) will forgo his final year of eligibility and submit his name for the National Basketball Association (NBA) Draft. Thompson plans to sign with an agent." www.guhoyas.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/032712aaa.htmlCan someone explain to me how this is a good idea for Hollis? Is the argument here that Hollis will not get better at Georgetown because our system limits his NBA growth? If not our system limiting him will he not get as many hours to work on his game in the college setting?? I know its not because hollis is some monster player that cant be contained in the college game??!!!! Can someone please objectively tell me why hollis woudlnt want to work on his game with the hops of actually being a first round pick??!! This is baffeling. I think the point has been made several times. He is graduating school. Isnt that reason enough to, um, leave school?
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Post by ScreamingHoya on Mar 27, 2012 16:39:56 GMT -5
I don't understand the logic here. He's at best a late second rounder and I haven't seen him on any mock draft lists. I guess he's taking his chances since he's graduating and can make money overseas if he doesn't get picked, but don't you think an extra year at Georgetown gets you on the NBA radar next year better than playing for a random international team? With another year at Georgetown, he'd have to take Grad school classes because the kid is likely graduating. I can completely understand not wanting to do that. Plus he'll get paid to play basketball somewhere next year. I don't think staying at Georgetown is going to help his stock any. Everyone was saying the same thing last year and while Hollis did improve in certain areas, it didn't in fact help his draft stock. Without a lockout this year, he'll have several more opportunities to impress and hope to make a roster. First off- I went to grad school after Georgetown- it's not that hard. If he wanted to take an easy grad program he could. You don't think his staying will have any impact on his draft stock? Do you think I could borrow your crystal ball some time? We can all name countless players who have improved their draft stock and played their way into the NBA their senior year when they wouldn't have gone their junior year (and Henry is just one example this year). I've always liked Hollis- he seems like a genuinely good guy and he's got real talent. But if he wants the NBA, and I assume he does, I don't see how jumping this year is a better move than staying and improving for one more year at Georgetown.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 27, 2012 16:43:54 GMT -5
With another year at Georgetown, he'd have to take Grad school classes because the kid is likely graduating. I can completely understand not wanting to do that. Plus he'll get paid to play basketball somewhere next year. I don't think staying at Georgetown is going to help his stock any. Everyone was saying the same thing last year and while Hollis did improve in certain areas, it didn't in fact help his draft stock. Without a lockout this year, he'll have several more opportunities to impress and hope to make a roster. First off- I went to grad school after Georgetown- it's not that hard. If he wanted to take an easy grad program he could. You don't think his staying will have any impact on his draft stock? Do you think I could borrow your crystal ball some time? We can all name countless players who have improved their draft stock and played their way into the NBA their senior year when they wouldn't have gone their junior year (and Henry is just one example this year). I've always liked Hollis- he seems like a genuinely good guy and he's got real talent. But if he wants the NBA, and I assume he does, I don't see how jumping this year is a better move than staying and improving for one more year at Georgetown. You asked what the logic is and the poster provided it. Seems logical to me. All we are saying is that it makes sense for someone to leave college after said person graduates college. Sure, he could have stayed, but it's sensible that he would leave now. Who's to say just the fact of having to stick around and take 1-2 class is the reason he doesnt want to be there?
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Post by kchoya on Mar 27, 2012 16:44:29 GMT -5
Seems like Hollis enrolling a semester early didn't turn out the be the positive that most people thought it would be.
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Post by whatmaroon on Mar 27, 2012 16:47:25 GMT -5
While not always being the player we wished him to be, Hollis still had a nice career on the Hilltop. Best of luck to him at the next level, be in the NBA or wherever or whatever, basketball or not, he ends up doing.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 27, 2012 16:48:05 GMT -5
If you look at it wholly from his perspective (as we must), I think it makes perfectly reasonable sense. That's not to say that staying would have been unreasonable, but going certanly is reasonable.
First, he'll (from what we know) have his degree. That doesn't mean he has to go, but it also means he does not have an educational reason to stay. Pursuing a master's degree he otherwise has no interest in would be mean's to a basketball end, rather than an end unto itself.
Second, he can't get paid to play basketball at Georgetown, but he can (and will) somewhere professionally. And probably a non-insignificant amount.
Third, although we can reasonably assume he would improve his play and maybe his draft stock by playing here, there is at least a reasonable chance that he stands a better chance of improving his professional prospects by playing elsewhere. After all, he'll be exposed to a different system, which may push him in different and important ways (since he's already been exposed to ours for three full years). And he will be able to focus solely on basketball.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Mar 27, 2012 16:49:11 GMT -5
I think when he first came to Georgetown, most on this board thought of him as a four year player, but I think Hollis always viewed himself as a two and done guy given his entry and withdrawal of his name last year. He has a lot of confidence. I think back to the Temple and Missouri games last year where he wanted to take the last shot in those important and tight games. He missed both but was bailed out by Wright in Missouri game. The young man can shoot and rebound for a possible two guard in the NBA. Although he improved his defense and handle while at Georgetown, playing the two guard position in then NBA is a different matter. Wish him all the luck in the world.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 27, 2012 16:49:57 GMT -5
If you look at it wholly from his perspective (as we must), I think it makes perfectly reasonable sense. That's not to say that staying would have been unreasonable, but going certanly is reasonable. First, he'll (from what we know) have his degree. That doesn't mean he has to go, but it also means he does not have an educational reason to stay. Pursuing a master's degree he otherwise has no interest in would be mean's to a basketball end, rather than an end unto itself. Second, he can't get paid to play basketball at Georgetown, but he can (and will) somewhere professionally. And probably a non-insignificant amount. Third, although we can reasonably assume he would improve his play and maybe his draft stock by playing here, there is at least a reasonable chance that he stands a better chance of improving his professional prospects by playing elsewhere. After all, he'll be exposed to a different system, which may push him in different and important ways (since he's already been exposed to ours for three full years). And he will be able to focus solely on basketball. Well said, totally agree. And, I hope he really does end up with that degree. That makes a huge difference for whatever else he could end up doing in the near future, if it isnt basketball.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 27, 2012 16:51:11 GMT -5
Drat! That being said, good luck to Hollis at the next level. Thanks for the memories.
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 27, 2012 16:54:38 GMT -5
With another year at Georgetown, he'd have to take Grad school classes because the kid is likely graduating. I can completely understand not wanting to do that. Plus he'll get paid to play basketball somewhere next year. I don't think staying at Georgetown is going to help his stock any. Everyone was saying the same thing last year and while Hollis did improve in certain areas, it didn't in fact help his draft stock. Without a lockout this year, he'll have several more opportunities to impress and hope to make a roster. First off- I went to grad school after Georgetown- it's not that hard. If he wanted to take an easy grad program he could. You don't think his staying will have any impact on his draft stock? Do you think I could borrow your crystal ball some time? We can all name countless players who have improved their draft stock and played their way into the NBA their senior year when they wouldn't have gone their junior year (and Henry is just one example this year). I've always liked Hollis- he seems like a genuinely good guy and he's got real talent. But if he wants the NBA, and I assume he does, I don't see how jumping this year is a better move than staying and improving for one more year at Georgetown. I think we can agree that Henry is the exception, not the rule. There is a definite NBA stigma about seniors. Secondly, it's purely MY opinion that I don't see a huge boost in his draft stock coming from staying another year, I didn't say it couldn't happen. But, at the same time, he could end up in exactly this same spot at this same time next year and look at that additional year at Georgetown as a waste. Anything could happen, he could get hurt a la Tim Abromitis or Robbie Hummel, he could fail to improve in college and enter the draft one year older and look as though he has less "potential" to NBA scouts. I just don't see why everyone thinks that staying at Georgetown is going to magically turn Hollis into a sure-fire first round pick and if it doesn't what will he have gained? How will that look to recruits who have NBA aspirations? You can say he should stay because it will make our team better, but will it definitely make him better? No one can guarantee that. It's a risk he's willing to take, degree in hand, and I for one do not fault him one bit for making that decision.
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Post by nodak89 on Mar 27, 2012 16:54:54 GMT -5
I wouldn't have stayed on campus to take graduate classes instead of going straight to med school even if reapplying the next year meant maybe I could get into Harvard/Hopkins/Stanford instead of the U of Nodak.
Since Hollis is presumed to graduate this May, I completely understand his decision and wish him the best.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 27, 2012 17:01:13 GMT -5
Good luck to the fella!
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Post by superan on Mar 27, 2012 17:02:37 GMT -5
To give you guys some context: Ex-duke player John Scheyer gets paid 200k euros per year on Maccabi Tel Aviv. After tax. news.walla.co.il/?w=/151/1833017Playing overseas can be a pretty good way to make a living nowadays.
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Mar 27, 2012 17:19:27 GMT -5
I'm sure the "Thompson Connections" have enabled III to paint a pretty clear picture of what is availble out there for Hollis. Best of luck to you.
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Post by CO_Hoya on Mar 27, 2012 17:20:13 GMT -5
I have this vague recollection of Coach Thompson sending Hollis to the scorer's table to check in, then pulling him back during his first semester at school. Did I dream that? As others have said, if Hollis will graduate this May there should be no expectation that he'd return for another season. Darrel Owens was the exception, and he went into sales rather than pro ball after graduation.
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Post by smittydakid on Mar 27, 2012 17:24:16 GMT -5
Hollis was leaving, know matter what kind of junior year he had. D. Summers was the same way. When these young kids have it in their mind to leave, their leaving. I don't really fault him, cause making money is always a good thing. It's just watching him play, I don't see pro. I see a player that can shoot a little bit. He could stay one more year, sneak into the 1st round, get guarnteed contract and make a millie a yr.
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Post by calhoya on Mar 27, 2012 17:25:43 GMT -5
To give you guys some context: Ex-duke player John Scheyer gets paid 200k euros per year on Maccabi Tel Aviv. After tax. news.walla.co.il/?w=/151/1833017Playing overseas can be a pretty good way to make a living nowadays. I agree completely. Absent some burning desire to obtain another degree, graduate or otherwise, why would he stay? To those who argue that a fourth year in the same system will better enhance his NBA prospects, I would counter that it is possible that he reasonably believes that one year in a different system would be more beneficial. I am not an expert to know what is the correct approach, but I simply have no problem with this decision. People criticize kids who don't go to college to get a degree, and yet this one apparently obtained his degree early, while still fulfilling his commitment to the basketball program, both on and off of the court. Great job and someone to hold up to potential recruits as an example. Let's hope that he obtains his goal.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Mar 27, 2012 17:36:24 GMT -5
He could stay one more year, sneak into the 1st round, get guarnteed contract and make a millie a yr. Or he could stay one more year and be in the exact same position as he is now, borderline 2nd rounder and have wasted another year not making income. Point is, with Hollis, he is what he is in a lot of respects...he won't jump out of the gym or fly by you with the dribble. He will have plenty of opportunity to impress scouts with his size, smarts and shot. This was the right decision for him. Plus with Vee, Benny, now Sims and Clark gone, he may have felt that his time at Georgetown had come to an end. Best of luck to the kid -- he showed well in pre-draft workouts last year...i envision the same happening this year. Unfortunately from a fan's perspective, apart from GW shots against Marquette and Bama this year, he will always be remembered as having his best games in season ending tourney losses.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Mar 27, 2012 17:37:39 GMT -5
This is upsetting for us but good luck to Hollis!
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