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Post by kchoya on Apr 18, 2012 10:15:23 GMT -5
Maybe one reason: because we are setting up a home and home series with Duke
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Post by jgalt on Apr 18, 2012 11:46:40 GMT -5
Maybe one reason: because we are setting up a home and home series with Duke Think Otto is referring to Gbinje.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 18, 2012 12:05:52 GMT -5
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Post by flyoverhoya on Apr 18, 2012 12:29:42 GMT -5
Kind of ironic, given how Wisco recruits QBs.
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Post by jgalt on Apr 18, 2012 12:34:11 GMT -5
But Gtown doesnt recruit white guys, remember!! ;D
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 18, 2012 16:54:29 GMT -5
But Gtown doesnt recruit white guys, remember!! ;D The Uthoff kid is actually a pretty interesting prospect - we could do a lot worse. Most likely is at least worth a phone call. FWIW, Duke fans seem to think Rodney Hood is theirs to lose.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Apr 19, 2012 11:31:09 GMT -5
Colin Cowherd just interviewed Jim B on this subject for 10+ minutes and as dirty as I feel for agreeing with Magoo, I hope Bo Ryan feels even more shame for being so terribly in the wrong on this. Next step: get Bernie Fine to tell Bo to stop Editeding the kid already. On a weird aside, Boeheim claimed that he hasn't had a player ask to transfer in 5-6 years. If he was telling the truth, should we assume that the players that have left, e.g. Dash Riley, were all forced out? ;D
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Post by kchoya on Apr 19, 2012 14:15:43 GMT -5
Colin Cowherd just interviewed Jim B on this subject for 10+ minutes and as dirty as I feel for agreeing with Magoo, I hope Bo Ryan feels even more shame for being so terribly in the wrong on this. Next step: get Bernie Fine to tell Bo to stop Editeding the kid already. On a weird aside, Boeheim claimed that he hasn't had a player ask to transfer in 5-6 years. If he was telling the truth, should we assume that the players that have left, e.g. Dash Riley, were all forced out? ;D Bo Ryan on Mike & Mike this morning: espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/58140/video-debate-bo-ryan-vs-mike-mikeDig... dig... dig...
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Post by geedell on Apr 19, 2012 14:18:12 GMT -5
Wisconsin is gonna allow the kid to transfer anywhere outside of the big ten per Andy Katz
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 20, 2012 9:08:37 GMT -5
I only listened to a small part of the bo ryan on Mike and Mike, but I don't have a problem with all of what Ryan did. 1) Intra-conference transfers already are pretty much off the table. No one can have a problem with that. 2) the portion I caught said that he could transfer to all the other schools as long as he explained his reasoning. That doesn't seem to harsh. All you have to do is explain why you want to transfer to a school. That hardly seems unfair to me. 3) I have no problem with limiting what schools a player can transfer too if you suspect tampering. Not sure if this happened in this case, but if it did I'm fine with that concept. 4) What was the reasoning for limiting him from transferring to the ACC?
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Post by BigmanU on Apr 20, 2012 9:18:05 GMT -5
I only listened to a small part of the bo ryan on Mike and Mike, but I don't have a problem with all of what Ryan did. 1) Intra-conference transfers already are pretty much off the table. No one can have a problem with that. 2) the portion I caught said that he could transfer to all the other schools as long as he explained his reasoning. That doesn't seem to harsh. All you have to do is explain why you want to transfer to a school. That hardly seems unfair to me. 3) I have no problem with limiting what schools a player can transfer too if you suspect tampering. Not sure if this happened in this case, but if it did I'm fine with that concept. 4) What was the reasoning for limiting him from transferring to the ACC? ACC/Big Ten challenge. That is the only problem I had. That is just one game a year (cycles) & not considered a rivalry ala Marquette
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 20, 2012 9:22:30 GMT -5
2) the portion I caught said that he could transfer to all the other schools as long as he explained his reasoning. That doesn't seem to harsh. All you have to do is explain why you want to transfer to a school. That hardly seems unfair to me. That's pretty naive if you think the explanation requirement is for any reason other than to limit where he can transfer. The player could give the most cogent explanation ever created, but what's going to stop the coach from saying "that's not good enough"? The coach has already shown a willingness to limit the kid's options / prevent him from transferring where he wants.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 20, 2012 9:30:05 GMT -5
2) the portion I caught said that he could transfer to all the other schools as long as he explained his reasoning. That doesn't seem to harsh. All you have to do is explain why you want to transfer to a school. That hardly seems unfair to me. That's pretty naive if you think the explanation requirement is for any reason other than to limit where he can transfer. The player could give the most cogent explanation ever created, but what's going to stop the coach from saying "that's not good enough"? The coach has already shown a willingness to limit the kid's options / prevent him from transferring where he wants. Perhaps, but isn't the kid a redshirt freshman, who hasn't played yet for Wisconsin? I'd be confused why he wanted to transfer as the coach as well. Especially if he's not transferring home. So the ACC stuff doesn't pass the nose test so i'm starting to lean towards Ryan is just being a dick.
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 20, 2012 9:33:50 GMT -5
That's pretty naive if you think the explanation requirement is for any reason other than to limit where he can transfer. The player could give the most cogent explanation ever created, but what's going to stop the coach from saying "that's not good enough"? The coach has already shown a willingness to limit the kid's options / prevent him from transferring where he wants. Perhaps, but isn't the kid a redshirt freshman, who hasn't played yet for Wisconsin? I'd be confused why he wanted to transfer as the coach as well. Especially if he's not transferring home. So the ACC stuff doesn't pass the nose test so i'm starting to lean towards Ryan is just being a dick. He might just hate his coach, or his coaches philosophy of holding the ball until the shot clock is almost expired before running a play. Or he might hate Madison, or his teammates. Honestly, it doesn't matter. Nor should he have to explain why he's transferring to Ryan. Ryan wants a veto b/c he wants to limit / control where the kid transfers. Requiring an adequate explanation gives Ryan that veto, and there's no reason why a coach should be able to yank a player's scholarship for almost any reason and be able to prevent him from transferring.
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Post by daymondmyles on Apr 20, 2012 9:55:55 GMT -5
And Ryan came off like either a liar or an idiot. He said he had to check around about the procedures for transfers with other coaches. C'mon. He's been doing this how long and he doesn't know the procedures?
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 20, 2012 10:01:26 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 20, 2012 10:05:31 GMT -5
The scholarship? All the way up with a red hot poker Coach Ryan. This kid can play anywhere he wants.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Apr 20, 2012 14:03:42 GMT -5
Perhaps, but isn't the kid a redshirt freshman, who hasn't played yet for Wisconsin? I'd be confused why he wanted to transfer as the coach as well. Especially if he's not transferring home. So the ACC stuff doesn't pass the nose test so i'm starting to lean towards Ryan is just being a dick. What do you mean by "Especially if he's not transferring home."? Home was explicitly forbidden by Ryan: no Iowa and no ISU. I can't imagine that a kid recruited by Wisconsin and peeved about his lack of playing time and/or Wisconsin's offensive "style" really wants to go to UNI. An interesting point made by Cowherd/Boeheim yesterday was that there's apparently no rule actually forbidding intra-Big East transfers, only on awarding athletic scholarships to an intra-conference transfer. The specific hypothetical given was a kid leaving SU for UConn, where they could no doubt find him a schollie for his academic merit alone In that case, going off scholarship, I think he'd also be immediately eligible to play as well. You could just hear Boeheim's eyes bulge forth from the sockets as he suppressed his homocidal tendencies (he claimed he would really not like to consider the possibility of playing against one of his former players 2-3 times a season).
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Post by pr20 on Apr 20, 2012 14:23:45 GMT -5
I like Bo Ryan as a coach. I think he is one of the best around. But he has to understand that he does not OWN this kid. He isn't your property. I suspect that something has trnspired behind closed doors that we are uncertain of. Maybe the kid was recruited behind his back and he knows it. And both sides are being petty about it. But sometimes you just have to chalk it up and move ahead. Not transfering to a conference school is a perfectly understandable thing. But telling him he cannot go home or to the ACC? Come on! Bo Knows Better!
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Post by calhoya on Apr 20, 2012 15:34:14 GMT -5
This is total garbage. Wonder if Ryan has ever run a player off or recruited over a player to whom promises we're made. Coaches come and go all the time.
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