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Post by unclebeets on Mar 4, 2012 18:57:13 GMT -5
I hope they win at least one game -- losing your first game in a conference tournament or the NCAAs is depressing -- the place is half empty, it's the middle of the afternoon during the middle of the week, there's nothing to do afterwards and the party continues for days (or weeks) without you. Worst is losing one of the 12:00 noon first rounders in the NCAAs, in front of 5,000 somewhere in Utah.
Sorry, just a thing I have. Looking forward to seeing how they do. Is Lavin coaching in the BET?
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Post by kettlehill on Mar 4, 2012 20:10:05 GMT -5
Playing Pitt and then UC will be tough, but then we should beat them and will certainly be motivated to do so.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 4, 2012 21:02:35 GMT -5
We should beat Cincinnati. Unless, of course, Cincinnati is actually better than we are. I mean, they did finish with a higher seed, and they've beaten us 3 straight times.
I think getting to Friday would be a nice achievement, and even though we'd probably be facing Satan, Calhoun, or those carnies from Appalachia, anything after that would be gravy.
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Post by blueeagle on Mar 4, 2012 22:56:52 GMT -5
Preseason success results from raw talent and returning experience. You can overcome a lack of cohesion with talent and experience.
Regular season success results from good coaching. Execution and preparation are what win ballgames against rivals you play year in and year out.
Conference tournament success results from desire and drive. If you are a high seed, there is not much more to prove. You are pretty much playing for pride and prestige. If you are a bubble team, desperation can be amazing inspiration.
NCAA tournament success results from all of the above and luck. Magical draws result in magical runs. But if you are not good to begin with, bad luck seems to come very quickly.
I believe this team is talented, experienced, well-coached, and driven. We need some luck. And better FT shooting.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 4, 2012 23:00:17 GMT -5
Inevitably, I think people are going to be disappointed with the end of this season unless we win at least four more games.
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Post by Filo on Mar 4, 2012 23:03:53 GMT -5
Inevitably, I think people are going to be disappointed with the end of this season unless we win at least four more games. I would agree with that. And it is significant that you refer to "the end of the season." We are not talking about what we expected going into the season. Pretty much everyone would say that we exceeded those expectations. But at this point, we know we have a good team that is capable of playing with anyone. So an early exit in either tournament will be disappointing.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 4, 2012 23:22:33 GMT -5
Inevitably, I think people are going to be disappointed with the end of this season unless we win at least four more games. I would agree with that. And it is significant that you refer to "the end of the season." We are not talking about what we expected going into the season. Pretty much everyone would say that we exceeded those expectations. But at this point, we know we have a good team that is capable of playing with anyone. So an early exit in either tournament will be disappointing. I really don't want another off season where we faded to finish the season. I know the Hoyas were just fine in February, but a short stay in the BET / NCAA and all of a sudden we spend all of this off season and all of next season terrified of another end of season collapse. A nice run in the BET & some NCAA success stops that narrative, which will give us a lot more time to discuss whether the addition of Noel means we're going to win every game by 20 or 30 points ;D
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 4, 2012 23:43:12 GMT -5
so long as we get to the round of 16....i could frankly care less about what happens in the BET.
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Post by RDF on Mar 4, 2012 23:49:09 GMT -5
so long as we get to the round of 16....i could frankly care less about what happens in the BET. Might want to re-think that stance. Georgetown is one of those teams who has a very great success rate when they win their conference tournament--the worst they finish is Elite 8. How many schools can say that? In BET Era, Hoyas won in: '80--Elite 8 '82--National Runner Up '84--National Champion '85--National Runner Up '87--Elite 8 '89--Elite 8 '07--National Semifinalist Until that history changes, why not bust your ass to win the BET? The only team I can remember that made BET Final and didn't win a game in NCAA's was '10 team. So I'm all for making a run in NYC to build confidence going into the NCAA's.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 5, 2012 9:00:10 GMT -5
Yeah, Calipari all but said Kentucky had no interest in playing the SEC tourney. I can see it both ways. It's just a lot of basketball, emotion and energy to have 3-4 games over this weekend and then play the tourney. That said, Calipari just validates his hired gun status. I am not sure he even cares that the team he currently coaches plays in a conference. I'm sure III has a lot of pride in playing in the BET and the guys will come out fired up.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 5, 2012 9:16:39 GMT -5
Yeah, Calipari all but said Kentucky had no interest in playing the SEC tourney. I can see it both ways. It's just a lot of basketball, emotion and energy to have 3-4 games over this weekend and then play the tourney. That said, Calipari just validates his hired gun status. I am not sure he even cares that the team he currently coaches plays in a conference. I'm sure III has a lot of pride in playing in the BET and the guys will come out fired up. Got a link for that? I'm surprised he'd admit that, especially considering he's never lost in the SEC tournament
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 5, 2012 9:20:56 GMT -5
For the game on Wed.:
If it's Pitt: We won't have the issue of having to play against a press, because Pitt never uses it and I would be shocked if they tried to throw one together in a short period of time. We did an awful job of guarding the paint the last time we played them, as I think we gave a little too much respect/attention to their perimeter shooters. The game will be decided on the glass, as I think the only way Pitt beats us is if we consistently give up second chance points.
If it's St. John's: SJU has pressed us some in the previous two games, but I don't think they can successfully sustain it simply because they're not deep enough to do it, nor do they have the overall quickness of a Marquette or Louisville. We killed them on the boards in both games and I would expect us to do the same in a potential third game. If we do face the Johnnies, I'd really like to see JTIII come up with and have his team execute a game plan that tries to limit Harkless. He's the one guy they have that has really hurt us on a consistent basis. We've done poorly against forcing teams to beat us with their second and third options not only this year, but the past couple of years, so my expectations from this standpoint are somewhat tempered.
Bottom line: if we lose to either of these teams on Wed., I think everyone will be (and has a right to be) very disappointed. Hope our guys are working on their FTs between now and NYC. We cannot continue to shoot ourselves in the foot and leave 5-7 points on the line each game due to lack of focus and concentration. Also, I think this is a big week for our coaching staff. Can they get our players to come out with the focus and intensity that is required to win games in March? Can they come up with the correct game plan for the opponent at hand and get the team to execute properly? Overall, they've done a good job so far this season, but we all know March matters more. I think we have what it takes to have a good month.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 5, 2012 9:25:11 GMT -5
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 5, 2012 9:37:40 GMT -5
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Post by HarbinHoya on Mar 5, 2012 11:18:17 GMT -5
As many of you did, I spent most of the day Saturday and Sunday feeling Editeded that we lost and thereby missed out on the double bye and night game seedings meaning I will have to try and watch at work. That being said, after thinking about it for a while, I don't think we have the worst road through the Big East and bottom line if we are going to do anything in the NCAAs this year we need to be able to handle teams like Pitt and Cincy cause we will no doubt see similar teams in the early rounds. I fully expect to see us play Cuse on Friday night for a shot at the title on Saturday. I think the whole "x-team has a better road to the finals" is sort of wasted argument cause in the same that the team we will need to play beat us this year, its also hard to beat teams you already have beaten two or three times in one season, eventually teams get your number. To be redundant, when we play well we can hang with anyone, if we go cold from the outside we can lose to anyone. I do believe this team has a 4 game run in it though and is less burdened than former teams with the failure of previous years. I think we will go out and play with a nothing to lose attitude and hopefully shock a few people. Either way, its nice to know we are not battling for our tournament lives which is better than a lot of thought we would do this year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2012 11:50:20 GMT -5
so long as we get to the round of 16....i could frankly care less about what happens in the BET. Might want to re-think that stance. Georgetown is one of those teams who has a very great success rate when they win their conference tournament--the worst they finish is Elite 8. How many schools can say that? In BET Era, Hoyas won in: '80--Elite 8 '82--National Runner Up '84--National Champion '85--National Runner Up '87--Elite 8 '89--Elite 8 '07--National Semifinalist Until that history changes, why not bust your ass to win the BET? The only team I can remember that made BET Final and didn't win a game in NCAA's was '10 team. So I'm all for making a run in NYC to build confidence going into the NCAA's. PLUS... We have won 7 BETs. Syracuse has won 5. If we win, they'll have to leave the conference (whether next year or the year after) knowing forever that they're no better than second best.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 5, 2012 11:53:50 GMT -5
so long as we get to the round of 16....i could frankly care less about what happens in the BET. Might want to re-think that stance. Georgetown is one of those teams who has a very great success rate when they win their conference tournament--the worst they finish is Elite 8. How many schools can say that? In BET Era, Hoyas won in: '80--Elite 8 '82--National Runner Up '84--National Champion '85--National Runner Up '87--Elite 8 '89--Elite 8 '07--National Semifinalist Until that history changes, why not bust your ass to win the BET? The only team I can remember that made BET Final and didn't win a game in NCAA's was '10 team. So I'm all for making a run in NYC to build confidence going into the NCAA's. Because that relationship is correlative and probably not very causal? I say we try to win the BET because it means something in and of itself, and because every game means something. But we went far in the NCAAs when we win the BET because you have to be good to win both.
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Post by RDF on Mar 5, 2012 13:19:07 GMT -5
Might want to re-think that stance. Georgetown is one of those teams who has a very great success rate when they win their conference tournament--the worst they finish is Elite 8. How many schools can say that? In BET Era, Hoyas won in: '80--Elite 8 '82--National Runner Up '84--National Champion '85--National Runner Up '87--Elite 8 '89--Elite 8 '07--National Semifinalist Until that history changes, why not bust your ass to win the BET? The only team I can remember that made BET Final and didn't win a game in NCAA's was '10 team. So I'm all for making a run in NYC to build confidence going into the NCAA's. Because that relationship is correlative and probably not very causal? I say we try to win the BET because it means something in and of itself, and because every game means something. But we went far in the NCAAs when we win the BET because you have to be good to win both. True--but look at others history--a lot of teams don't win both and some have won their conference tourney and flopped (Cuse many times). Hoyas just have knack for making runs when they win--and you are 100% right that those were great teams-but this year's BE isn't great, so no reason they can't be in that Semifinal against Cuse--and beat them and if that happens--they'll win the tournament. My idea for Wednesday--play Pitt--press them. Woodall is dumb with the ball and Gibbs is as well. Their best player right now is JJ Moore, and their bigs got dunks/layups in halfcourt--make them run and they play stupid. SJU--same thing--depleted roster--it would be their 2nd game in 2 days-and Hoyas gave them fits with pressure--wear down their guards--especially Harrison--takes something out of his legs over course of game. Now I know--can't press all game, etc...but you have to take the game to these guys and quit letting Pitt dictate how the game will be played. SJU-it's just strategic--Hoyas are deeper team, and similar in that both teams lack traditional PG--so attack them and get some cheap hoops against them.
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 5, 2012 13:20:26 GMT -5
agree win the big east we gotta be pretty darn good lose who knows so WIN THE PAYBACK TOUR IN THE GARDEN THIS WEEK GO HOYAS 8-)PS was the last time we won the big east in 2007 and we went to the final four or not ??
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 5, 2012 13:21:13 GMT -5
ps press em up the whole game we got the horses adn the length JUST DO IT
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