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Post by michaelgrahamfan on Mar 5, 2012 14:26:13 GMT -5
We only pressed the last 45 seconds of the Marquette game. Repeat that performance and we are wasting everyone's time at the BET and the dance. Very very disappointing.
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Madgesdiq
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Post by Madgesdiq on Mar 5, 2012 15:10:19 GMT -5
so long as we get to the round of 16....i could frankly care less about what happens in the BET. Completely disagree. I would take a BET win over anything in the NCAA tournament that ends before the Elite 8. BE Tourney win and a second round exit over a BET loss and a Sweet 16 exit every year. There is no better feeling than being BE champs after spending 4 days in MSG, and no worse feeling than walking out of MSG listening to Take Me Home Country Road or UCONN chants after losing the BE Finals. I still turn the 1996 BE Final game off with 4 minutes left bc I can't bear to watch the ending. I love the BE Tournament, and you only have to stick around once to watch the excitement on faces of the players, students, alumni and fans as the nets come down to have that appreciation.
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Post by RDF on Mar 5, 2012 15:33:48 GMT -5
so long as we get to the round of 16....i could frankly care less about what happens in the BET. Completely disagree. I would take a BET win over anything in the NCAA tournament that ends before the Elite 8. BE Tourney win and a second round exit over a BET loss and a Sweet 16 exit every year. There is no better feeling than being BE champs after spending 4 days in MSG, and no worse feeling than walking out of MSG listening to Take Me Home Country Road or UCONN chants after losing the BE Finals. I still turn the 1996 BE Final game off with 4 minutes left bc I can't bear to watch the ending. I love the BE Tournament, and you only have to stick around once to watch the excitement on faces of the players, students, alumni and fans as the nets come down to have that appreciation. Agree with some of your points--but disagree. If you told me Hoyas will lose in BET Quarters but would get to Sweet 16, give me the Sweet 16. That is how you keep recruiting up. Hoyas didn't win a BET from '90-'07, but I still remember the '95 and '96 teams for making it back to Sweet 16 and Elite 8 and making the program feel like it was back amongst the programs that mattered. Losing in BET final and flaming out in 2nd Round wasn't memorable--except it magnified the recruits they missed on that would've made those teams more formidable. Good thing is-if Hoyas win BET, they'll succeed in NCAA's and sticking to that until it's proven wrong. So you have both ends covered.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 5, 2012 15:43:41 GMT -5
It's a tough call, like RDF said, but recent history clouds it for me. I really, really want to play on the second week in the tourney. WE havent won a tourney game in 4 years ! Hard to believe. Obviously, these things arent mutually exclusive, but Id prefer that option if forced to choose.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 5, 2012 17:30:27 GMT -5
Count me in the group that would rather make the second weekend of the NCAAs over success in the BET. That is what the media and recruits grab onto most. Just a few years ago we made the final against WVU, awesome run, but then we absolutely crapped the bed against Ohio. That feeling of losing to a team like Ohio far outweighed the good feelings from the BET. Even if we had beaten WVU that year, people would still only talk about losing to #14 seed Ohio. I'll take good performances in both, but if forced to choose, I want success in the NCAAs.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Mar 5, 2012 17:42:15 GMT -5
Count me in the group that would rather make the second weekend of the NCAAs over success in the BET. That is what the media and recruits grab onto most. Just a few years ago we made the final against WVU, awesome run, but then we absolutely crapped the bed against Ohio. That feeling of losing to a team like Ohio far outweighed the good feelings from the BET. Even if we had beaten WVU that year, people would still only talk about losing to #14 seed Ohio. I'll take good performances in both, but if forced to choose, I want success in the NCAAs. In a BET vs. NCAA success conversation, I think good runs in the BET only matter if you win it all. Coming close will never balance out with crapping the bed in the NCAAs. For me, in previous years I would take a BET title and a NCAA flameout, but I need some NCAA success this year. So why not just dominate both. hm
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 5, 2012 18:18:00 GMT -5
I've been at the Garden when we've cut down the nets. I've also been in the building when we get nationally embarrassed in the NCAAs. I can't imagine going from one to the other in a five day or whatever span, but I don't ever want to experience it. Zero wins in the NCAAs with our prospective seed and recent history will be absolutely devastating no matter what happens in NYC--and would probably be MORE devastating if it followed a great BET run. It can't happen.
One win still won't feel very good because again we'll lose to a lower seed (unless we drop all the way to the 5 line), but it you could live with it.
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Post by mapei on Mar 5, 2012 18:19:31 GMT -5
I want us to live up to our seeds. Anything on top of that is gravy.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 5, 2012 18:47:29 GMT -5
Totally agree, live up to the seeding and no one can say anything. With the right match-up anything can happen after that. The NCAA tournament is such a crapshoot, I hate that the season is judged by one game but right now we need a NCAA win badly.
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Post by richfame on Mar 5, 2012 20:09:19 GMT -5
Am I the only person that thinks that USF has work to do? Im looking at there stats and you can make the point that they need a signature win in the BET in order to make the Ncaa tournament as an at-large bid. If you look at there record vs espn/usa teams they are 1-5, certainly NOT spectacular. They have beaten Louisville agreed, but who else? No great out of conference wins... I know they won 12 games in conference and thats awesome, but still its an interesting situation...
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Post by berrypatch26 on Mar 5, 2012 20:11:05 GMT -5
A friend of a friend was having a bad day and one dude was watching his back. He sent along a movie clip; hockey or hoops, it doesn't matter. One game at a time, all the way home!
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Post by kghoya on Mar 5, 2012 22:53:44 GMT -5
It's hard to look back very fondly at the 3 wins in the 2010 BET to reach the finals after that sandwich we all ate in Providence.
I was at both and I'd have rather gone to Sweet 16 and lost to USF in BE second round any day of the week.
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Post by kettlehill on Mar 6, 2012 6:59:55 GMT -5
I'm with the group that would rather see a a 2+ wins in the NCAA than a the same in the BE. Especially this year with the early depart monkey on our backs. Having said that this group needs to beat Pitt and UC, for obvious reasons.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 6, 2012 10:20:37 GMT -5
No one is arguing two wins in the Big East Tournament is better than a Sweet Sixteen or that the 2010 run made up for te Ogio loss. The question is would you take a Big East Tournament Title or a Sweet Sixteen. At this point, I'd probably take the Sweet Sixteen, unless our winning the BET was the only way to guarantee Cuse doesn't
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 6, 2012 10:32:51 GMT -5
Huh? That is only the question because you just asked it. Prior to that, no one asked that question.
I thought Madge made it pretty clear what his perspective was, and the rest of us are sort of disagreeing.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 6, 2012 10:44:05 GMT -5
Am I the only person that thinks that USF has work to do? Im looking at there stats and you can make the point that they need a signature win in the BET in order to make the Ncaa tournament as an at-large bid. If you look at there record vs espn/usa teams they are 1-5, certainly NOT spectacular. They have beaten Louisville agreed, but who else? No great out of conference wins... I know they won 12 games in conference and thats awesome, but still its an interesting situation... I can see a team like Drexel getting in over them, and that may well happen.
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Post by unclebeets on Mar 6, 2012 11:13:09 GMT -5
The thing that worries me the most is the absence of an experienced "go to" guy on the floor, or even a steadying influence who can keep the game manageable (best historical example -- Reggie Williams). Jason is the closest but I'm not sure it's in his makeup. Hollis is erratic, Henry is still learning how to play, Starks is Starks, and everyone else is playing in their first Big East/NCAA tournament. When the stakes are higher, you need someone who can rise above the team's standard level of play to finish the job, and I'm not sure GU has anyone who can or is able to do that right now.
But here's hoping. The whole deal is still a lot of fun.
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Post by BigmanU on Mar 6, 2012 11:29:28 GMT -5
I have to agree with RDF. Big picture, we need to have success in the NCAA's for recruiting purposes. This is what helps the program.
Personally however, I feel success in the BET is more important to me. Truthfully if we won the BET in 2010. I would have been more at ease with the first round exit vs Ohio in the NCAA's. That BET title would have solidified the season and I feel would also have been attached to Greg, Ausin, & Chris legacy here. Unlike any other conference, I feel the BET Title is held in high regards to all the teams in the conference.
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Post by Dhall on Mar 6, 2012 11:35:23 GMT -5
Getting back to the game, do we all agree that we'd rather play the team that we've beaten twice instead of the team that beat us easily? Go Redmen!
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Post by swhoya on Mar 6, 2012 11:52:28 GMT -5
No. If we think we're capable of winning the BE, we better believe we can beat either Pitt or SJU. And I want to be the team to close the door on Pitt in the BE.
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