SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 23, 2012 12:08:48 GMT -5
Let me ask a more relevant question: If the Maryland Athletic Department and specifically football is going to continue to lose massive amounts of money (est. $15M next year?), why should taxpayers support that?
It doesn't turn a profit and probably rarely does. Maryland football is not like Alabama football in that the state's citizens take great pride in it. How many people would that train for new jobs, how many poor children would that feed, how many cops on the streets? Instead it's going to Randy Edsall and something most Marylanders don't care about.
Talk about government waste.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 23, 2012 12:25:29 GMT -5
Kornheiser and Liz Clarke just addressed this issue again on TK's local radio show -- not too surprisingly, both took the MD is right/GU is wrong not to play position. The one comment during their conversation I found especially rich was the argument that "Georgetown is willing to travel all the way to SMU and Houston in sports to play but not just up the road to MD? " Of course, the REASON we are now going to have to schlep out to such parts is because the ACC (and Maryland) keeps plundering our conference, most recently for Pitt and Syracuse. And that then becomes a reason to REWARD Maryland/set the conference up to be raided again the next time the spirit (e.g. $$ and ESPN) moves it? Give me a break . . . Wait, they really made that argument? Wow.
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hoyajmw
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Post by hoyajmw on Feb 23, 2012 12:36:17 GMT -5
Yep, really made that argument; lots of references to what Feinstein had been pushing for over the years, too. Needless to say, a segment that didn't do much for my blood pressure . . .
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Post by jgalt on Feb 23, 2012 12:59:42 GMT -5
Let me ask a more relevant question: If the Maryland Athletic Department and specifically football is going to continue to lose massive amounts of money (est. $15M next year?), why should taxpayers support that? It doesn't turn a profit and probably rarely does. Maryland football is not like Alabama football in that the state's citizens take great pride in it. How many people would that train for new jobs, how many poor children would that feed, how many cops on the streets? Instead it's going to Randy Edsall and something most Marylanders don't care about. Talk about government waste. The public good? But more seriously it is really pathetic that these large state schools cant support there athletics programs without tax payers. Many private schools are able to maintain large programs with out tax payer money and with much smaller alumni networks. Gtown has 29 (right?) teams, MIT has even more. Im not saying that the athletics department at these schools are profitable- im sure its far from it- but i cant remember a time recently when gtown seriously discussed cutting seven programs (but i could be wrong).
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hoya95
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Post by hoya95 on Feb 23, 2012 13:42:11 GMT -5
Kornheiser and Liz Clarke just addressed this issue again on TK's local radio show -- not too surprisingly, both took the MD is right/GU is wrong not to play position. The one comment during their conversation I found especially rich was the argument that "Georgetown is willing to travel all the way to SMU and Houston in sports to play but not just up the road to MD? " Of course, the REASON we are now going to have to schlep out to such parts is because the ACC (and Maryland) keeps plundering our conference, most recently for Pitt and Syracuse. And that then becomes a reason to REWARD Maryland/set the conference up to be raided again the next time the spirit (e.g. $$ and ESPN) moves it? Give me a break . . . Yeah, that show got pretty annoying in a hurry on this subject. On Tuesday, Kornheiser said the Maryland AD was being foolish and heavy-handed. Then Wednesday, he said he had done a complete 180. (I assume he talked to his buddy Gary Williams.) He compared Georgetown to Iran in its obstinance and said Maryland has no choice but to pressure us. This morning, we got to hear an embarassing lecture from Liz Clarke about how both schools should be ashamed of themselves for not playing. The tone was along the lines of "we are depriving the downtrodden DC area". Then they praised Feinstein for his magnamanous efforts to put this game together. Obviously, none of them have even the slightest clue what they are talking about. I hope we never schedule Maryland simply to spite every fool involved in all this.
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 23, 2012 13:45:34 GMT -5
I feel about 1,000 times more stupid than usual just from reading these last few posts. I had no idea that TK was such a fool.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Feb 23, 2012 13:48:43 GMT -5
If UMD wants to join the Big East, we'll go wherever they want to play the games. I'd be fine with them moving to Houston as well.
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Post by kchoya on Feb 23, 2012 15:05:10 GMT -5
Kornheiser and Liz Clarke just addressed this issue again on TK's local radio show -- not too surprisingly, both took the MD is right/GU is wrong not to play position. The one comment during their conversation I found especially rich was the argument that "Georgetown is willing to travel all the way to SMU and Houston in sports to play but not just up the road to MD? " Of course, the REASON we are now going to have to schlep out to such parts is because the ACC (and Maryland) keeps plundering our conference, most recently for Pitt and Syracuse. And that then becomes a reason to REWARD Maryland/set the conference up to be raided again the next time the spirit (e.g. $$ and ESPN) moves it? Give me a break . . . Yeah, that show got pretty annoying in a hurry on this subject. On Tuesday, Kornheiser said the Maryland AD was being foolish and heavy-handed. Then Wednesday, he said he had done a complete 180. (I assume he talked to his buddy Gary Williams.) He compared Georgetown to Iran in its obstinance and said Maryland has no choice but to pressure us. This morning, we got to hear an embarassing lecture from Liz Clarke about how both schools should be ashamed of themselves for not playing. The tone was along the lines of "we are depriving the downtrodden DC area". Then they praised Feinstein for his magnamanous efforts to put this game together. Obviously, none of them have even the slightest clue what they are talking about. I hope we never schedule Maryland simply to spite every fool involved in all this. I was going to say, Kornheiser was against UMCB's position on Tuesday. But I'm a podcast listener, so I haven't caught up on his apparent change of heart. Liz Clarke, on the other hand, is the most pollyannaish, butterflies-and-daffodils lightweight around. It doesn't surprise me that she's taking the "can't we all just get along" position.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 24, 2012 5:57:41 GMT -5
A much more fact-based account in today's Post from Mike Wise: www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/maryland-athletics-needs-an-image-makeover/2012/02/23/gIQAXtReVR_story.htmlIt's the first time I can recall that the facts of the 92 game have been printed in a way that any objective would conclude: Huh, Maryland really screwed Georgetown there. It's too bad this column gets written several days after the controversy erupts; many people won't read it and already have made up their minds. Needless to say, though, this is what happens when a reporter has time to sit down and research the facts.
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 24, 2012 7:16:07 GMT -5
georgetown IRAN omo BEAT THE MARYLAND TWERPS IN LAX TODAY GUYS this is about more than just the sporst OH MY GOODNESS. gimme a break looking forward to reading wises column THAT may tell the FACTS just the facts watson just the facts go hoyas BEAT NOVA that is important.
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 24, 2012 7:23:10 GMT -5
great factual story by wise very accurate and to the point. go hoyas BEAT MARYLAND IN LAX TODAY BIG GAME .
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Post by hoyajmw on Feb 24, 2012 9:50:55 GMT -5
I thought the MD/GU game in '93 was part of the ACC/Big East Challenge series, not really an agreement we entered to play them. Anyone know/remember that context and what it may have also required in terms of appearance of neutrality on the court/not really being a "home" game officially for anyone (or something either party REALLY "agreed" to at all?) Just curious -- generally thought Wise piece a shockingly even-handed portrayal of issue . . . Also FYI, I happened to catch the tail-end of what seemed to be a longer segment by JT Jr. on his radio show yesterday afternoon (Feb. 23/Thursday) in which, I think perhaps re-aggravated by the TK/Clarke segment in the morning, he had a long quasi-rant (1) lauding Lefty Driesell for being a visionary looking outside the local market when he came to MD/bringing the DC area into a national viewpoint; and (2) marrying that with the idea that ADs/schools need to be thinking much more globally these days, and the idea of emphasizing a local rivalry is just small-minded thinking. And at the end of the day every AD/coach needs to decide what is best for it's school, not some kowtow to other presssures. When podcast posted it should be around 3:30 pm mark/half way through second hour -- and hearing (or perhaps others know?) what he said prior to that will be very interesting too. . . (P.S. Link to the podcast below; starts at 9:35 of hour 2; the full discussion starts with a quote from Anderson crediting JT Jr. for opening doors/saying he just wants to open the conversation, from which JT says "well, fine, old men like me appreciate praise, but look at what happened to the Holy Cross/St. Bonaventure types that looked locally, not nationally and THAT's the name of the game even more now." www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=65&c=425&f=416641
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 24, 2012 10:55:07 GMT -5
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 25, 2012 19:49:57 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 25, 2012 20:18:21 GMT -5
John Feinstein was a few days late to the party. Mike Wise's column spelled out what really went on in 1993, including Maryland refusing to give Georgetown seats at Cole Field House for a rematch). Even Maryland fans have finally admitted this week that the 1993 game was not intended to be a "home" game for anyone.
The end of the article introduces another angle--Feinstein wanted each team to donate 1/3 of the proceeds to his charity. I can see where this would be counterproductive to the negotiations.
Feinstein is probably also concerned that, in a period where Maryland needs every dollar it can, giving up a home game to the BB&T Classic isn't going to be as easy as it used to be. How soon before Kevin Anderson asks that the BB&T be moved to Comcast?
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Post by mapei on Feb 25, 2012 20:22:16 GMT -5
I pretty much hate UMCP and don't care if we play them or not. But continuing to debate what it means that we or they got, or gave, how many seats almost 20 years ago is ridiculous. If we ever do get serious about a game, let a coin flip decide who gets the first one.
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 25, 2012 21:31:45 GMT -5
hhhhmmmm we should play them BECAUSE the twerps went down to the lowly pathetic georgia tech team today yup tech who is 10-18 and 3-11 in the acc good case for a hoya maryland game GIMME A BREAK.. like that the lady hoyas came back on a like 19-8 run to beat cuse at cuse aand SECURE A DOUBLE BYE in their tourney . yup adn our hoyas SMASHED NOVA. but i be the front page of the post is marylands CLOSE 63-61 loss to a fantastic tech of georgia team WRIGHT ?? GO HOYAS
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 26, 2012 8:51:48 GMT -5
feinstein op ed piece on teh hoyas and maryland FULL OF HIMSELF ARROGANT but what else is new can you all do a linky thingy here i cant as you know ;D ;D
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Feb 26, 2012 9:22:28 GMT -5
I love that we don't play Maryland. F them. If they can make an NCAA tournament more occasionally, they'd have a better chance of playing us.
Keep the feud going. It will make our next chance encounter all the more intriguing.
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Post by austintex on Feb 26, 2012 9:43:52 GMT -5
"It’s a shame when egos and politics blind people."
Man, coming from Feinstein, that is just rich...
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