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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 18, 2012 11:16:47 GMT -5
Merlin Wilson had 3 games his freshman year where he had more than 20 rebounds Porter's 15 rebounds are the most since Victor Samnick but there are a number of freshmen of the past with more than 15, including Merlin Wilson, Othella Harrington, Duane Spencer and others.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 18, 2012 11:20:12 GMT -5
Merlin Wilson had 3 games his freshman year where he had more than 20 rebounds Porter's 15 rebounds are the most since Victor Samnick but there are a number of freshmen of the past with more than 15, including Merlin Wilson, Othella Harrington, Duane Spencer and others. Fair enough. Just wasn't clear based on Lic's writing (what else is new? ;D)
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Post by centercourt400s on Jan 18, 2012 11:39:38 GMT -5
As far as Jabril, I agree that he is strong but his handle needs work. Markel has the best handle on the team. Otto had some TO's but, for a guy his size, I like him bringing the ball up. Every freshman has trouble bringing the ball up court against a decent press. I remember watching Jonathan Wallace dribble while backing up numerous times against the press in his freshman year... he was clearly uncomfortable in that situation for most if not all of his freshman year. Maybe Iverson was the exception to the rule... it's hard to remember. He was always such a blur and his turnovers were almost always self-inflicted so I don't think the press bothered him much. Everyone else struggles though and I'm glad Jabril was getting some run against a good active press last night. We are going to need him more comfortable next year.
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Post by hoyatables on Jan 18, 2012 11:50:58 GMT -5
Who knew Shomnick was such a promising rebounder? I remember the latter portion of his career being entirely ho-hum. You're confused. Victor Samnick had a pretty ho-hum carreer. Victor Shomnick, who only played for the Hoyas during an NIT run, was a monster. :-D
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Post by RDF on Jan 18, 2012 11:57:16 GMT -5
Jason Clark was outstanding. Just a brilliant game from him in all facets (well FT shooting has been off for him all year and don't know why--but he's going to make more then he misses unlike the Hollis epidemic at the FT Line which is driving me nuts) and Jason's leadership has been shown in different ways all year and last night it was personally answering DePaul runs with huge hoops. That 3 he hit in opening minutes of 2nd Half to put lead back at 4 pts was shot of night. He did a great job defensively and without Markel--his ball handling was strong (for most part) and decision making was best I've seen it.
Henry played a great game and due to some inept officiating he didn't get to stay on the court. This "fetish" officials have with calling charges on any contact is beyond an embarrassment. Just because a big kid makes contact with a smaller defender doesn't automatically mean it's a charge when small kid falls down and acts like he was shot by a sniper from top of Arena. Same goes when offensive player leaps into defender--it's not a foul if offensive guy initiates contact. End of rant. Henry did a great job on boards, providing scoring and was only guy I trusted at FT line last night. Solid game when he was allowed to play and need him to play just as strong this weekend against RU.
Hollis was average. He was a non factor in 1st Half. Did a good job scoring in 2nd and helping against pressure, but the FT's are getting beyond frustrating. It's like he feels there is a virus he'll catch if he stays on line after releasing the ball-he always is falling back/leaving the FT line and why he pulls his wrist back on the shot at line when he has such a pretty follow through on his jumper?? Bend your knees, follow through and STAY ON THE LINE. No reason he shouldn't be an 85% or 90% FT shooter with his ability. As a primary scorer for this team and as Hoyas move forward--he's going to have chance to hit some big FT's to keep team in game or possibly win the game and in his career--he's been shaky in those moments (Cuse win in BET 2 years ago was kept alive for them due to his bricks at the line). Gotta step up and focus on the routine and no need to hurry his FT's.
What I love about FR class is that they add the dimension that lacked for the past few seasons. They all can impact the game positively without needing to score. Otto Porter didn't have it shooting wise--but he had 15 boards and played great defense. Greg Whittington has knack for huge putback hoops which really started back in Memphis game in Maui, but he plays defense, rebounds, Jabril comes into the game, provides spark and is best Hoya under III at attacking the rim and not settling for jumpshots. He gets to FT line, and his defense on that late possession which led to his 3pt play on break was some of the best individual defense played at Georgetown. Footwork was brilliant, he closed on offensive player when he should've, gave ground when he should've, moved laterally, kept hands up and not near touching player and then busted his ass to fill lane and Jason/he executed a great fastbreak that deservedly ended with Jabril getting hoop/foul. Brilliant! Mikael Hopkins getting to play was great--despite fact he didn't impact game--liked that III put him in the game.
Nate--I've liked Nate's improved play lately. He's had some tough moments-but he also has done some great things--thought in 1st half he was spark that got team going with his reads on defense to get 2 steals, some tough boards, and great passes to teammates too. Nice hook shot and took another that he missed but it was a good shot/move and glad he took it. One area he's got to improve on-but it's a team thing--really laying a body on opponent when they are shooting FT's. Too many times the Hoyas give up offensive rebounds on missed FT's and it's getting to point it's as bad as their inbounds problems--which we can now add defensive breakdowns (ball/man Nate, lol). Overall strong game for Nate.
Really liked the improvement in a few areas:
1. Getting points off defense 2. Executing fastbreaks--can only think of 1 where Hoyas messed it up all night 3. Floor spacing on offense--much better as that has been shaky last few games. 4. Inbounds offense was much better--got 2 hoops out of new looks and had no problems--progress
Areas that still need work:
1. Press break---Get the ball in quick, dont' let defense get set, and quit throwing to trap areas or dribbling to them. Hoyas too often immediately throw to corner (that's where the defense wants you to throw it and if you do throw it there--have to have someone coming back/flash to middle--don't try to throw a flat pass immediately back to inbounds passer--it's too hard to make. Now part of this was due to Markel being sick and not having a lot of guys comfortable with the ball last night--but have to attack and use dribble more--but if you dribble up sideline have to eventually get to middle either by dribble or passing to teammate--can't pick it up over halfcourt and stop at sideline or you're inviting the trap and awful officiating (Jabril never traveled--he split double and was either fouled or just a play on).
2. Putting Teams Away. Have to step on throats and Hoyas are close in this area--but they still let teams hang around with some silly play--and good news it's been mainly due to their mistakes--not the other team just beating them. That means it can be corrected and it's nice to be saying this after 2 road wins in league where you won by a combined 28 pts. Still--the team hits their FT's at their usual percentage these 2 games never get close at all.
3. This might be a little nitpicky--but this group has to be willing to dive on the floor for loose balls. Still see too many guys bending at waste to pick up a ball and other team is on floor and either gets the ball or gets tie up. Get on the floor and leave it all on the court. Only so many games in a career/season--gotta make sure you give it all you got and like anything good--it's contagious. If one guy does it--everyone else will follow.
Announcing:
I like LaPhonso Ellis and thought he called a good game in Hoyas-Marquette game a few weeks ago--last night he mailed it in. Just odd stuff and partly due to fact John Saunders took the assignment because he's a huge Hoya fan and not a play by play guy. Will say Hoyas seem to win whenever he calls a game (last year he showed up for Cuse game at Dome, so hope he's there again this year) but he didn't call the game-just sounded like 2 guys sitting in stands and making conversation.
Flipside was--it was kind of nice at times to watch action and have no commentary from anyone. Rather that then overuse of mic for no reason. Which eventually happened. Did we really need to hear of Digger Phelps and Ellis? They didn't inform viewer of why Starks was out until 2nd Half, they didn't explain that Whittington's shot which was initially ruled a 3 all of the sudden became a 2 pt shot, and they ignored clear violations (Late in game DePaul never inbounded the ball--guy had left foot over the baseline and just threw it forward--never stepped out).
However--I'll take that over Mowins or Burke any day of week.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 18, 2012 12:11:43 GMT -5
Again, only missing a center for next years squad and hoyas are set. Oh, Nerlens... Although I have seen a lot of really good stuff out of Hopkins. I think in the long run he's probably a 4, but he's playing it well now. (And no, I'm not writing off Adams or Moses).
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 18, 2012 12:13:44 GMT -5
We did make one subtle but effective adjustment against the press - had the in-bounder go to the other side of the backboard to draw the defender over, then passed out to the opposite corner - gave the guy who received the ball more time while the defenders tried to get back over for the double-team. A couple of extra seconds is huge in that situation.
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Post by seaweed on Jan 18, 2012 12:19:59 GMT -5
Announcing: I like LaPhonso Ellis and thought he called a good game in Hoyas-Marquette game a few weeks ago--last night he mailed it in. Just odd stuff and partly due to fact John Saunders took the assignment because he's a huge Hoya fan and not a play by play guy. Will say Hoyas seem to win whenever he calls a game (last year he showed up for Cuse game at Dome, so hope he's there again this year) but he didn't call the game-just sounded like 2 guys sitting in stands and making conversation. Flipside was--it was kind of nice at times to watch action and have no commentary from anyone. Rather that then overuse of mic for no reason. Which eventually happened. Did we really need to hear of Digger Phelps and Ellis? They didn't inform viewer of why Starks was out until 2nd Half, they didn't explain that Whittington's shot which was initially ruled a 3 all of the sudden became a 2 pt shot, and they ignored clear violations (Late in game DePaul never inbounded the ball--guy had left foot over the baseline and just threw it forward--never stepped out). However--I'll take that over Mowins or Burke any day of week. high point for the announcers was right after Hollis hit whichever three swirled around the rim twice and I think Ellis was saying "they're going to have to re-paint the rim tomorrow." At that, some Depaul buy airballed a shot that thudded out of bounds and the comment was "going to have to repaint the floor after that shot" almost made up for the complete lack of commentary on the fact that GU was playing without its starting point guard. even if you don't know why it is worth noting why the 6'9" frosh forward is bringing the ball up.
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Post by wrestlemania on Jan 18, 2012 13:12:47 GMT -5
It finally looks like there's some hope at DePaul -- they stayed close with some chuck and duck, but overall their talent level is better than I've seen in a long time.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 18, 2012 13:27:38 GMT -5
RDF, I agree that Hollis should be an 85-90% FT shooter. It is like he needs a hand in his face to make one. His form on the 3's is beautiful, so no excuse.
Also, agree on putting teams away. Can't have these teams hanging around.
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Post by wrestlemania on Jan 18, 2012 13:44:06 GMT -5
Announcing: I like LaPhonso Ellis and thought he called a good game in Hoyas-Marquette game a few weeks ago--last night he mailed it in. Just odd stuff and partly due to fact John Saunders took the assignment because he's a huge Hoya fan and not a play by play guy. Will say Hoyas seem to win whenever he calls a game (last year he showed up for Cuse game at Dome, so hope he's there again this year) but he didn't call the game-just sounded like 2 guys sitting in stands and making conversation. Flipside was--it was kind of nice at times to watch action and have no commentary from anyone. Rather that then overuse of mic for no reason. Which eventually happened. Did we really need to hear of Digger Phelps and Ellis? They didn't inform viewer of why Starks was out until 2nd Half, they didn't explain that Whittington's shot which was initially ruled a 3 all of the sudden became a 2 pt shot, and they ignored clear violations (Late in game DePaul never inbounded the ball--guy had left foot over the baseline and just threw it forward--never stepped out). However--I'll take that over Mowins or Burke any day of week. One thing I've noticed is that announcers for smaller networks sometimes do a better job with games that aren't very good or don't involve the top teams. Maybe it's because they are used to it, or are more motivated to do a professional job. Sometimes the top level guys make you cringe when they try to occupy time with idle conversation.
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Post by dreamhoya on Jan 18, 2012 13:44:58 GMT -5
Yeah was it me, or was Saunders and Ellis a little awkward last night? Strange feel to it. Hoyas won and move on. All you can ask.
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Post by flyoverhoya on Jan 18, 2012 13:46:47 GMT -5
Was watching (more like listening) a small TV from too far away - my gripe w/the announcers was that they NEVER actually mentioned the score, even to say "Georgetown up by 6," or whatever.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Jan 18, 2012 13:51:30 GMT -5
Yeah was it me, or was Saunders and Ellis a little awkward last night? Strange feel to it. Hoyas won and move on. All you can ask. chi It wasn't you. They were joshing with each other but it came off as awkward at times. Saunders preoccupation with the Bayi Rockets being MEN was a bit shift in your seat uncomfortable. But give me John Saunders any day of the week. A true FOTP.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 18, 2012 14:04:11 GMT -5
Was watching (more like listening) a small TV from too far away - my gripe w/the announcers was that they NEVER actually mentioned the score, even to say "Georgetown up by 6," or whatever. I mean, I am as critical of broadcasts as anyone, but I gotta call you out a bit on this ;D They definitely talked about the score....Geez I also have to think they presume people are staring at the screen with the score on it the entire game. Hee. In fact, that is such a crutch for me that I totally agree with what others said - it drove me nuts that the score changed from 25 to 24 without explanation. I also have noticed some times this season when ESPN just fails to properly input and add the numerical digits to make the score correct. One would think that isnt hard.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 18, 2012 14:04:26 GMT -5
I can watch a game and need no announcer and I'm just fine. Only reason I would want an announcer would be to tell me who got the foul called on them - which they often don't do.
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Post by idhoya on Jan 18, 2012 14:57:47 GMT -5
I actually study the announcers. Some are clearly better than others. Clearly
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Post by skyhoya on Jan 18, 2012 17:18:18 GMT -5
Dud you notice that once we get into the midwest, the announcer quality goes down?
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Post by idhoya on Jan 18, 2012 23:47:13 GMT -5
midwest guys are more homers than others.
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Post by Just Cos on Jan 19, 2012 3:37:07 GMT -5
Flipside was--it was kind of nice at times to watch action and have no commentary from anyone. Rather that then overuse of mic for no reason. Which eventually happened. Did we really need to hear of Digger Phelps and Ellis? They didn't inform viewer of why Starks was out until 2nd Half, they didn't explain that Whittington's shot which was initially ruled a 3 all of the sudden became a 2 pt shot, and they ignored clear violations (Late in game DePaul never inbounded the ball--guy had left foot over the baseline and just threw it forward--never stepped out). However--I'll take that over Mowins or Burke any day of week. This. I'll take it any day of the week. Hopefully we will hit a point where it comes back to just enjoying the game. I also don't like the ESPN MLB version where Joe Buck doesn't talk a whole lot but we see 30 different camera angles.
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